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Homeland on Ch4 (UK Pace) - No Spoilers! (Part 2)
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flyingv
07-10-2013
Originally Posted by anyonefortennis:
“Saul hanging poor Carrie out to dry. The barstard. Do American secret service agents really woop and clap when they take down a terrorist suspect or target like that? I find it really bizarre when they do this in every show. Is it just a habit these show have gotten into?”

Well the Americans whoop and clap at everything, so I guess it's not too much of a stretch to think they would whoop and clap the taking down of terrorist suspects/sympathisers imo.
anyonefortennis
07-10-2013
Originally Posted by flyingv:
“Well the Americans whoop and clap at everything, so I guess it's not too much of a stretch to think they would whoop and clap the taking down of terrorist suspects/sympathisers imo.”

It's pretty pathetic.
catsitter
07-10-2013
Originally Posted by barnsleykeith:
“I think Dana tried to kill herself in the bathroom and Jesse found her just in time. Didn't spot any scars on her wrist, so I'm assuming pills or hanging? Pills probably. Dana took a hot bath and tried to kill herself. May explain why Jess wanted the bathroom remodelled.”

I thought they said that Dana slit her wrists in the bath. And yes, I'm sure that is why Jess had the bathroom redone, but I would still have thought that paying for counselling for Dana should have been a higher priority than having the bathroom done.
MrSuper
07-10-2013
Originally Posted by catsitter:
“I thought they said that Dana slit her wrists in the bath. And yes, I'm sure that is why Jess had the bathroom redone.”

That's correct.
solare
07-10-2013
I feel sorry for Chris. Everyone in the family seems to ignore him. Whenever Brody would come home, Chris would be happy to see him and Dana would just stand around pulling on her cardigan sleeves and looking sullen. Now Dana's getting all of the attention because of her suicide attempt and poor old Chris gets ignored again. Being the younger child, I'm sure discovering his Dad is a terrorist would affect him too.
HarkAtHer
07-10-2013
Was a bit underwhelmed by this first episode, but that might be because I didn't get the thing of Saul 'hanging Carrie out to dry' - he was answering questions under oath and told the truth. Of course people do lie under oath to protect others, but given Saul's character, we and Carrie shouldn't be hugely surprised that Saul chose not to. Or am I missing something?

The challenge for this series is that it's hard to beat the 'is he/isn't he', 'will they/won't they' suspense of series 1. Having a hero/traitor in your midst is more compelling than hunting down a wrongly accused man. That said, the complete reversal in the family's fortunes is very well played and painful.
jeffiner1892
07-10-2013
Originally Posted by solare:
“I feel sorry for Chris. Everyone in the family seems to ignore him. Whenever Brody would come home, Chris would be happy to see him and Dana would just stand around pulling on her cardigan sleeves and looking sullen. Now Dana's getting all of the attention because of her suicide attempt and poor old Chris gets ignored again. Being the younger child, I'm sure discovering his Dad is a terrorist would affect him too.”

I heard Chris speak more in that one episode than in the whole of the previous two series.
barnsleykeith
07-10-2013
Originally Posted by HarkAtHer:
“Was a bit underwhelmed by this first episode, but that might be because I didn't get the thing of Saul 'hanging Carrie out to dry' - he was answering questions under oath and told the truth. Of course people do lie under oath to protect others, but given Saul's character, we and Carrie shouldn't be hugely surprised that Saul chose not to. Or am I missing something?

The challenge for this series is that it's hard to beat the 'is he/isn't he', 'will they/won't they' suspense of series 1. Having a hero/traitor in your midst is more compelling than hunting down a wrongly accused man. That said, the complete reversal in the family's fortunes is very well played and painful.”

Saul's testimony is interesting. What he said was true. Carried did hide the fact that she was bipolar and was sleeping with Brody. But he gave the impression that she kept it hidden and he never knew. So I think he misled Congress.
Jenny_Sawyer
07-10-2013
Originally Posted by MrSuper:
“Exactly. His arc has come to a natural end.”

I disagree, they were in love & had been having a relationship for many years.
Jenny_Sawyer
07-10-2013
Originally Posted by barnsleykeith:
“I think Dana tried to kill herself in the bathroom and Jesse found her just in time. Didn't spot any scars on her wrist, so I'm assuming pills or hanging? Pills probably. Dana took a hot bath and tried to kill herself. May explain why Jess wanted the bathroom remodelled.”

Sure she'd want it done, but she's supposed to be broke & bathroom suites are expensive.
catsitter
07-10-2013
Originally Posted by HarkAtHer:
“Was a bit underwhelmed by this first episode, but that might be because I didn't get the thing of Saul 'hanging Carrie out to dry' - he was answering questions under oath and told the truth. Of course people do lie under oath to protect others, but given Saul's character, we and Carrie shouldn't be hugely surprised that Saul chose not to. Or am I missing something?”

He lied - he said that Carrie hadn't told him that she was having a sexual relationship with Brody, but she had told him.
starsailor
07-10-2013
Although the quality is great, along with the acting being top notch, I just get the feeling that they're pushing the plot and the series concept beyond its limits.

Also that and the mole plot. The only people surviving from series 1 are Carrie, Brody and Saul. So the chances are Saul is the dodgy one.

I'm not also sure why Carrie is feeling betrayed. The truth is she did totally f things up, and her personal feelings for Brody, along with her bi-polar the CIA was utterly compromised.

She was always going to get thrown under the bus.
solare
07-10-2013
Originally Posted by starsailor:
“Also that and the mole plot. The only people surviving from series 1 are Carrie, Brody and Saul. So the chances are Saul is the dodgy one..”

I think the two guys with the van - who do the surveillence for Carrie - are still alive. Also, the young guy (don't know his name) who got injured during the attack at the tailor's.

I'd actually forgotten about the "mole" in series 1. I think probably the scriptwriters have too
Ads
07-10-2013
I really enjoyed it - although I wasn't as down on Season 2 as a lot of people were, it was nice to see a more grounded episode. I am a bit nervous of how they will handle Brody's reappearance though - hopefully not a whole season of the Fugitive!
batdude_uk1
07-10-2013
Originally Posted by Jenny_Sawyer:
“Sure she'd want it done, but she's supposed to be broke & bathroom suites are expensive.”

Perhaps that has led to her being broke, perhaps that was the last expensive thing that she bought/had done?
lucavigg
07-10-2013
What I like about Homeland is the constant speculation and "What if" one has to think about when the writers hint at something subtle.

Others have suggested traitors in our midst such as Saul or Quinn and I suppose either one of those is possible.

However, I started looking at Brody's wife differently. I know this is way out there but could she be a sleeper?

L.
HarkAtHer
07-10-2013
Originally Posted by barnsleykeith:
“Saul's testimony is interesting. What he said was true. Carried did hide the fact that she was bipolar and was sleeping with Brody. But he gave the impression that she kept it hidden and he never knew. So I think he misled Congress.”

Originally Posted by catsitter:
“He lied - he said that Carrie hadn't told him that she was having a sexual relationship with Brody, but she had told him.”

Thanks for this. I'm still a bit confused though Saul lied that he didn't know about Carrie's affair and mental health issues, but that's hardly a massive personal betrayal considering how much he's stuck his neck out for her. Unless Carrie felt he should go down with her? But then, she's always argued that she's more useful to the country in post than in prison, so why would she be outraged with Saul for not telling everything... oh I'm getting way too bogged down in this already, and I don't care that much!
feeVerte
07-10-2013
Originally Posted by lovetochat:
“Even though he loves Jess, it's not hard to believe that her and Mike are over. He works for Military Intelligence so it hardly seems likely he would continue a romance with the wife of a terrorist, especially as the terrorist is the worlds most wanted man or whatever, and also killed Tom Walker.

Given the time shift between Seasons 2 and 3 - 58 days - and all that's gone on including Dana's suicide attempt, counselling, family's loss of income, Jess trying to get back into work etc Mike doesn't really need to make an appearance. They could explain his absence quite easily. I don't see the point of him continuing in the story anyway.”

Personally I find it very odd and out of Mike character that he should not stand by Jess tbh...
we know that the actor is busy on a different show, but for pure narrative sake he should be involved really...

...unless he is the mole... they killed everybody else they may just as well blame him for the leaks
feeVerte
07-10-2013
Originally Posted by Jenny_Sawyer:
“Sure she'd want it done, but she's supposed to be broke & bathroom suites are expensive.”

Oh...if only Mike was around he could have done it !

but seriously... had your child tried to kill herself in a room would you keep it as it was?! fear not this burning question will be answered shortly... unlike the most pressing ones
Styker
08-10-2013
Anyone see the programe after Homeland on Sunday? Did that guy give away how series 3 actually ends?! If he did then and how come Channel 4 did not edit it out?!

My take on the first episode of series 3 was that I thought they went into stupid mode. I think they should have admitted that what they knew on Brody apart from his relationship with Carrie and gave him immunity in order to get nazir but Nazir outfoxed them at the end etc. Brody wasn't told about the attack so why didn't they just admit to it? I get the impression that unless they come up with new bad guys to go after this series will struggle and will be the last one?
sunhillpc1
08-10-2013
Brody's wife and children are not welcome at their church and the Marine Corps has cut the financial benefits that they had received by virtue of his service in the Corps.

The American public believes that Brody carried out the Langley attack. However, I cannot understand why his wife and children would be blamed for it.
barnsleykeith
08-10-2013
Originally Posted by feeVerte:
“Oh...if only Mike was around he could have done it !

but seriously... had your child tried to kill herself in a room would you keep it as it was?! fear not this burning question will be answered shortly... unlike the most pressing ones ”

Maybe Uncle Mike sorted out Jessica's plumbing before he left to join the FBI?
MrSuper
08-10-2013
Originally Posted by Jenny_Sawyer:
“I disagree, they were in love & had been having a relationship for many years.”

Wasn't it just a sexual relationship though? There was the promise of more for sure but they hadn't anticipated the return of Brody, but when Brody came back it was impossible to take it any further.

There's no reason been given yet why he isn't in the show. I'm sure it will be explained at some point.
RMorgan
08-10-2013
Few issues with this first episode

In S2 Carrie was only unofficially brought back to the team and was told she could never be a true CIA employee again due to her problem. In this episode she seems to be back as a full member of the team, no questions asked.

In the big operation all other teams are held back waiting for everything to be in place, yet Quinn just marches on in and kills the guy, it seemed he was going to do the same when the guy was in the car too. There was a large delay between Quinn killing the guy and getting round to sending his photo proving it which then set the rest of them off.
NoEntry2k
08-10-2013
Originally Posted by Styker:
“Anyone see the programe after Homeland on Sunday? Did that guy give away how series 3 actually ends?! If he did then and how come Channel 4 did not edit it out?!”

Seeing as he isn’t in season 3 as his character was killed of in the season 2 finale, and when ‘Is it Something I Said?’ was recorded Homeland season 3 was still in production (and may still be), I think it’s safe to assume it was a joke.
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