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Old 14-10-2013, 15:43
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I pray the CIA are better organised than what they are being portrayed.

They can carry out covert operations around the world, have specialists who can trace money transfers between numerous overseas financial institutions but at the same time appear to be lacking CCTV around their own HQ car park where anyone is able to move a car to any random spot around the building.
Carrie questions all this in the notes she made. The ones her lawyer looked at. She mentions CAMERAS in bold red letters. She thinks Brody didn't move the car. So it must be an insider and someone who didn't raise suspicion at the time(so not just anyone). Carrie will be able to find out who it was I think. Problem is nobody believes her that Brody is innocent of the bombing. And at the moment she's busy flying over the cuckoos nest.
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Old 14-10-2013, 16:00
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Can I just check - do we know who bombed the CIA ?

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We don't know who moved the car. Or when the explosives were put in the car. I think the bomb was rigged when Brody was taken by Nazir. It was hidden and Brody didn't know he was driving around in a car bomb. But not 100% sure about that.

Some fans think Brody gave his car keys to a General when they shook hands. And this General moved the car. But that means Brody was in on the bombing. Personally I don't buy it. I think Brody looked genuinely surprised that his car had moved. Unless he was acting? Grrrrrrr.... I hope they sort all this out soon. It's starting to get infuriating

That's me doing a Carrie
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Old 14-10-2013, 18:14
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Agreed. At least when Brodys wife was shagging his best mate (where is he btw?!) it was related to the story line somewhat but now we have to watch the daughter shagging too?!

It just feels like a tick box exercise which is normally the sign a show has gone well past it's sell by date. They are repeating all the familiar themes.

The only good character left is Peter Quinn who I think they should borrow to 24 to fight along side Jack Bauer. That would be awesome.
I would like to know.
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Old 14-10-2013, 18:16
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I would like to know.
He's an FBI special agent now
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Old 14-10-2013, 18:25
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How come Brody's family are still living in the same house ? (they are aren't they ?)

I mean Brody is considered responsible for the biggest atrocity since 9/11 , their house would be beseiged by reporters and nutters forevermore , they'd have to go into hiding ,

... ?
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Old 14-10-2013, 19:18
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I get that they're contrasting Dana's ability to cope with her demons against Carrie's failure to cope with hers; but I feel Dana's romantic encounter with Zach Hamilton Of Dexter is turning this current series of Homeland into Dawson's Creek With Occasional Spies.

I hope this whole "moping teenager" storyline is actually going somewhere.
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Old 14-10-2013, 19:43
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I want to like Peter Quinn but he has the whispering affliction that drives me mad.... I wish he (and others) would just talk normally!
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Old 14-10-2013, 20:54
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The new woman who arrived in the CIA,She's gotta be the new terrorist Im thinking

WTF is Saul's game
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Old 14-10-2013, 21:13
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I don't think this series is going anywhere so far, its just dragging out aftermath storylines.

Saul has as good as turned into Estes or worse and I think Quinn needs to give him a talking to in his bedroom as well! I loved it that time he was in Estes bedroom and the way Estes reacted when he saw him etc!

Saul was well out of order on the new girl. He was as good as labeling all muslims as terrorists! The goon should be the same as what Carrie was with other muslims in series 1.

What a shame Carrie has allowed them to screw her over so much. Getting angry when your being fitted up can often make things worse but not everytime in my experience.

I think Brody should have sent his family or left a letter before he left the US. They need to bring him in back soon.

Oh and by the way, i don't think Quin should blame himselkf so much for accidently killing the boy, it was the lack of time he had that was the real reason why he messed up and him not having enough time was not his fault.
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Old 14-10-2013, 21:23
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I did find Saul's rant at the Muslim operative over her headscarf very odd as he has always been very PC in terms of race relations in the past. Maybe the bomb killing of a lot of his close colleagues has really changed him, or he was just using psychology to get the best out of her - she certainly upped her game after the dressing down.

Agree with those moaning about Dana - they could edit out the whole story line and no one would notice.

Am still enjoying the series though - plus Brody back next week,
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Old 14-10-2013, 21:24
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I'm not feeling this series either. The daughter has always been one of the worst characters I have had to endure but the fact that she is still in it is really annoying me. Not only that, she has an even greater starring role. I am beginning to feel that this is some kind of subliminal torture. Just get rid of her please. The fact that her acting skills have not developed (into tolerable) is also irksome.

I'm also very confused about Saul. I keep expecting him to have some plan up his sleeve which will exonerate Carrie but for the life of me I can't think what. Also, even if he still is the good guy, I would never have expected him to behave as he has done.
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Old 14-10-2013, 21:50
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I'm not feeling this series either. The daughter has always been one of the worst characters I have had to endure but the fact that she is still in it is really annoying me. Not only that, she has an even greater starring role. I am beginning to feel that this is some kind of subliminal torture. Just get rid of her please. The fact that her acting skills have not developed (into tolerable) is also irksome.

I'm also very confused about Saul. I keep expecting him to have some plan up his sleeve which will exonerate Carrie but for the life of me I can't think what. Also, even if he still is the good guy, I would never have expected him to behave as he has done.
Saul is very out of character. He disagreed with Estes a lot generally and in wanting Brody bumped off but Estes in a way was a bit more "transparent" than Saul even though he called things wrong here and there. Saul now is all over the place and is not acting as if he is in charge at all. I think that bald/beardy guy is pulling Saul's strings as well as being responsible for the leaks.

I said it before and will say it again, they should have admitted to the Senate what they did know about Brody and what they did but they where outfoxed by Nazir at the end

The stroryline with Brody was largely done and they should have wrapped it up I think and started off with some new bad guys to go after. Rather than drag the Brody storyline out for another series and then probably end the whole programme, I think they would have been much better off with new bad guys/storylines while wrapping up the loose ends of the Brody storyline etc etc.
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Old 15-10-2013, 12:24
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I really cant stand Dana but I think she is going to be a key character for some unknown reason as she also might become a muslim etc. That Saul scene was a bit unnerving not just for his character but for the show. I don't think they should be going down the route of just because you are muslim r from the middle east that you are a terrorist. Also was what the girl said in the interview wrong as that was never mentioned again?

The Dana/damaged kid part was a bit odd as if that cover thing was so easy to pull off then why didn't one of the kids pull it off already? Plus someone would have missed him before they were discovered the next morning?

I think Carrie is the only person holding the show together at the moment but Saul needs to up his game or increase Peter Quinn's part to make it better
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Old 15-10-2013, 13:45
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Anyone else feel they're just killing time til they bring Brody back into things? It's so boring without him, and I'm getting so tired of the whole 'Carrie is crazy' stuff. It's well acted and everything, but just bores me. I'm more interested in Dana at the moment, I've liked all her stuff so far.
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Old 15-10-2013, 16:12
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I like the character of Dana, and I'm interested in where her character is going this series ... but I hate the way she talks, it's very 'adenoidal' and makes me feel quite queasy when I listen to her.

I did think her relationship with the VP's cute son last series was very sweet ... until they accidentally ran over that poor civilian .
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Old 15-10-2013, 16:51
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Unless Saul really is the mole ( 2 arrested persons committed suicide after seeing him, failed his lie detector tests and also was not in langley when the bomb went off).....and he recognised the new woman as one of his terrorist chums and was asking her.....

why the hell are you wearing a hijab when you are here to further our cause.

they also mentioned that Saul knew the Iranian head honcho from teh past.
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Old 15-10-2013, 18:37
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I like the character of Dana, and I'm interested in where her character is going this series ... but I hate the way she talks, it's very 'adenoidal' and makes me feel quite queasy when I listen to her.

I did think her relationship with the VP's cute son last series was very sweet ... until they accidentally ran over that poor civilian .
The problem with Dana is that she acts/thinks as if she knows it all imo and I find this to be quite a common thing among teenagers these days. There is no way as a teenager that anyone will know it all even if they are clever for their age.

If Dana does become muslim, I wonder how she will react, think and act about no sex before marriage rule?
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Old 15-10-2013, 19:19
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What makes it real for me is that a person who essentially works for the CIA executing people at some point would be getting tired of doing that job. He killed a young boy in this latest mission. If I recall from last season, we learned that Quinn has a child (I believe a son) and that has to truly weigh on him. So I do believe that someone like Quinn can develop a conscience. A person like Quinn can burn out.
The fact he's capable of killing people who are designated as targets by his employers doesn't directly lead to him being a sociopath or not have a conscience. I think the show is painstakingly underlining that - with the scenes with Estes at his home last season and his concern about the child this season. And for Carrie.

He's an excellent character, well-played, and I hope he has a significant role in the whole season.

Saul and his personality transplant? I think he's put Carrie in a safe place because in her current "off-her-meds" alcohol-dependent, random-bonk manic state, she cannot make reasoned decisions. She's going to have to find a balance where her meds keep her balanced but don't prevent her making the intuitive leaps that make her an inspired analyst.

And yes, as someone observed, there's a bigger picture in Saul's head that is not obvious yet. After all, there's still the mole from season 1, isn't there? Not to mention a car-driver able to park a car in a very conspicuous spot. Then there's someone leaking information this time. And I don't trust his new sidekick.

I think his visit to Carrie at the end of Sunday's episode was meant to indicate that he's really conflicted about what he's done and if he'd just decided to throw her under the bus, he'd not have bothered to make the trip... even if the scriptwriters told him to.

I'm enjoying this season and even the Dana stuff works for me. The idea that your father took out a chunk of the intelligence community that protects your country would be a bit of a thing to absorb - especially as Dana loves her dad. Perhaps she even realises that she was in part aware of what he was. I think the impact Brody has had on his family is a perfectly legitimate strand of the story to explore. Especially if it has a consequence down the line.
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Old 15-10-2013, 19:39
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I wonder if Saul knows Brody didn't bomb Langley. He knows there is a highly placed mole in the CIA. Saul is doing a George Smiley. He's after Gerald & Karla

Quinn is helping Saul in the hunt. He is Peter Guillam.

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That would mean Dar Adal is the mole.

Just a bit of fun speculation - but it's off my chest now
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Old 15-10-2013, 23:59
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If this series does not bring 'Brody' in soon, it will continue to go down hill. Losing interest in it, so complex.
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Old 16-10-2013, 09:31
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I wonder if Saul knows Brody didn't bomb Langley. He knows there is a highly placed mole in the CIA. Saul is doing a George Smiley. He's after Gerald & Karla

Quinn is helping Saul in the hunt. He is Peter Guillam.

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That would mean Dar Adal is the mole.

Just a bit of fun speculation - but it's off my chest now
BIB - that is currently my line of thinking. He is definitely a bit shady, but maybe that's just what they want us to think right now. I still don't want to believe that Saul is the mole, he's shown too much compassion and care for people in the previous two seasons whereas Dar Adal displays none imo.
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Old 16-10-2013, 13:04
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I don't think Saul would be the mole. Even as a shock twist, it would be quite implausable.

Dar Adal is the most obvious, but perhaps for that reason, he isn't. I'm suspicious about Saul's wife, though. Maybe she's not all that she seems...

I'm curious to see how the scriptwriters will get Carrie out of her current situation. I like her when she's on top form and not affected by her condition.

Have to agree with others - I hope the Dana storyline is going somewhere. The teen romance/hit and run in series 2 used up quite a lot of episode time and didn't seem to have much point. The only significant outcome, was the scene where Brody takes Dana to the police station and Carrie turns up to stop them (from which Dana and Jess learn that Brody is still working with Carrie).

It's a shame they killed of Carrie's asset (the courtesan of the Saudi prince) in series 1 as she would have been a good addition to the current line-up. The tension in the scene where she was downloading the data from the prince's phone was great! I assume Carrie's other asset (the wife of the man meeting Abu Nazir) is out of the picture now?
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Old 16-10-2013, 13:31
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Sure she'd want it done, but she's supposed to be broke & bathroom suites are expensive.
I think she said in ep.2 that all she did was retile and that she did it herself.
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Old 16-10-2013, 15:57
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I think she said in ep.2 that all she did was retile and that she did it herself.
I thought she said that she replaced everything but she did it herself.
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Old 16-10-2013, 16:29
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I don't think Saul would be the mole. Even as a shock twist, it would be quite implausable.

Dar Adal is the most obvious, but perhaps for that reason, he isn't. I'm suspicious about Saul's wife, though. Maybe she's not all that she seems...
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It's a shame they killed of Carrie's asset (the courtesan of the Saudi prince) in series 1 as she would have been a good addition to the current line-up. The tension in the scene where she was downloading the data from the prince's phone was great! I assume Carrie's other asset (the wife of the man meeting Abu Nazir) is out of the picture now?
I think both Dar Adal and Saul are too obvious - but Saul's wife, now you might be onto something. Although she was out of the picture for some months last season so probably not, but it's a good shout.

BIB - That scene from S1 was brilliant, and yes characters like her and the wife of the guy meeting Nazir were what added to the tension - will they get caught? - will Carrie make it out with the intel? - hope the writers have something cool up their sleeves...
I thought she said that she replaced everything but she did it herself.
I thought she said she re-tiled it herself with the help of a book.
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