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Homeland on Ch4 (UK Pace) - No Spoilers! (Part 2)
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MrSuper
20-10-2013
Originally Posted by tom_domutoa:
“Now for the next few hours the 2 threads are at the same pace. Go there and see how much better the discussion is.”

Really? Just had a look and all i've seen is nothing but negativity and a lot of hate for episode 3 because 'nothing happened', there's no 'action' and it's 'boring'.

No thanks. Think i'll stick with this one.
Geoff_Mack
20-10-2013
So, as per usual, nothing changed from the start to the end of this episode.

Back to the slow burn, dull as dishwater padding.
Jenny_Sawyer
20-10-2013
Originally Posted by mazzy50:
“Considering that the last time we saw Brodie he was heading for Canada, how on earth has he ended up in South America?
Daft.

And what is with the daughter's very variable command of English?”

I would like to know this too.
MrSuper
20-10-2013
Originally Posted by Jenny_Sawyer:
“I would like to know this too.”

http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/10/15/ho...ot-audio-book/
Casmana
20-10-2013
Originally Posted by Geoff_Mack:
“So, as per usual, nothing changed from the start to the end of this episode.

Back to the slow burn, dull as dishwater padding.”

What do you people want ? It's only episode three !
Bet you never read a book? Because you really don't have the patience to get into the storyline.
Jenny_Sawyer
20-10-2013
Originally Posted by Nihonga:
“Thank you! I was wondering this, too; I thought I was going mad.

I don't mind this season's slow pace, but what hell has Brody got himself into? So far, so where is all this heading.

The daughter looked old enough to be the dad's girlfriend. Well, to me she does”

Daughter 20, dad 40? They're not middle class professional people you know.....
Jenny_Sawyer
20-10-2013
I am confused as to why the people holding Brody are not on the phone to the US authorities in order to claim the $10 million, I can only assume that it would be dangerous for them to do so seeing as they're criminals themselves, & are waiting for a 'safe' time when they can 'cash him in'.

I'm surprised to learn that there are mosques in Latin America.
lovetochat
20-10-2013
Originally Posted by Jenny_Sawyer:
“I am confused as to why the people holding Brody are not on the phone to the US authorities in order to claim the $10 million, I can only assume that it would be dangerous for them to do so seeing as they're criminals themselves, & are waiting for a 'safe' time when they can 'cash him in'.

I'm surprised to learn that there are mosques in Latin America.”

Just googled it and the mosque in Caracas is apparently the biggest in Latin America, so Homeland writers did their research!
Ads
20-10-2013
Worst homeland episode ever by a long way. The criminals are cartoon characters and unbelievable.

Also if the police were told Brody was in that Muslim's house - would they really only send two officers round to collect him, considering he is the most wanted man in the world?
Jenny_Sawyer
20-10-2013
Originally Posted by Ads:
“Worst homeland episode ever by a long way. The criminals are cartoon characters and unbelievable.

Also if the police were told Brody was in that Muslim's house - would they really only send two officers round to collect him, considering he is the most wanted man in the world?”

I knew that someone would attack him in the shower - when I saw him there I thought Psycho......
Styker
20-10-2013
Originally Posted by Ads:
“Worst homeland episode ever by a long way. The criminals are cartoon characters and unbelievable.

Also if the police were told Brody was in that Muslim's house - would they really only send two officers round to collect him, considering he is the most wanted man in the world?”

Considering that relations between Venezuela and the US are not very good at all, I'm surprised that it looked like the authorities where about to go through the process of extraditing him. Surely the fact that relations between the two countries is not good is the reason why Brody might have been sent to Venezuella?
FrankBT
20-10-2013
Originally Posted by slouchingthatch:
“I can understand why so many people seem to dislike this episode - there's no action, it's almost all about Brody”

Yes. If one has the attention span of a housefly which seems to be a major problem these days with so many younger people then I can fully understand. We had an episode mainly featuring Brody before in s1.when he stayed at Abu Nazir's house, and that was one of the best episodes.
19Nick68
20-10-2013
Originally Posted by Ads:
“Worst homeland episode ever by a long way. The criminals are cartoon characters and unbelievable.

Also if the police were told Brody was in that Muslim's house - would they really only send two officers round to collect him, considering he is the most wanted man in the world?”

Agreed you would have thought an entire army division would have locked down the entire area.

It would have been more believable if the police weren't involved and they just shot the imam and his wife dead to get brody back.

The CIA have eyes and ears everywhere. Brodys prints willingness be everywhere. As notoriously corrupt as Latin American police are I can't just see this being swept under the carpet.

Every episode we are being asked to put more and more reality aside. The previous two series you couldn't really pick apart, this series has so many holes in the plot.
fog
20-10-2013
Originally Posted by Casmana:
“What do you people want ? It's only episode three !
Bet you never read a book? Because you really don't have the patience to get into the storyline.”

I agree.
I thought it was an excellent trippy (appropriate) very dark episode on both Brody's and Carrie's side. I like the more natural pace of this show.
Killary45
20-10-2013
Any more episodes like this and Homeland gets dropped from my series link.

There was so much wrong, from the creepy peado doctor, to the cliché of the ruthless Latin gang members via the total lack of credibility of the situation.

But did there have to be a gorgeous young woman on hand to fall in love with our hero? It was like Star Trek where every week on a different planet there would be a beautiful girl for Captain Kirk.
CJClarke
21-10-2013
Originally Posted by Casmana:
“What do you people want ? It's only episode three !
Bet you never read a book? Because you really don't have the patience to get into the storyline.”

Agreed, I thought it was a really good episode, it seems a bit silly to be writing off a 12 episode show after only 3 episodes, people need to have a bit more patience, it's obviously heading somewhere, this episode was just setting up the hopelessness of Brody and Carrie's situations, and there were loads of seeds planted for where it's potentially heading. It's back to the slow burn intrigue of Season 1 as opposed to the 24 clone that it turned into during Season 2 (I love 24, but Homeland is a different show, I don't want it ripping off 24 which it came dangerously close to doing last season), if you think back to season 1, that was really slow until the last few episodes.

This was a very dark episode, but far from "boring" on "uninteresting" if you're invested in the characters. I thought both Damian Lewis and Claire Danes were excellent in this episode.
tgabber
21-10-2013
Originally Posted by CJClarke:
“It's back to the slow burn intrigue of Season 1”

I have to disagree, in season 1 we had the whole 'was Brody a traitor or not' right from the start, this season the only intrigue is 'what exactly is the plot?'

It's just drifting along with far too much filler. There has been a marked lack of character development (apart from Saul seemingly having had a complete character transplant).
Killary45
21-10-2013
I don't understand those who say that this was a particularly "dark" episode. The Claire Danes sub-plot showed her gradually recovering from a low point and getting her wits about her

Brodie began badly injured, but we had no doubt that he would survive. For most of the episode his rescuers/captors leave him free to walk about, no chains or locked doors, and they even return to him his passport and money to help him if he were to run away. Five cruel deaths, but that is not a particularly high body count for this series. And even when he finally was locked up he was given heroin for recreation.

And to cheer him up there just happened to be a drop-dead gorgeous woman on hand to mop his brow while he taught her English. Fortunately for Brodie she did not have a boyfriend (?) or any other friends and family in her life apart from a group of ruthless criminals, so she wanted to risk her life and run away with him although she believed him to be terrorist with a $10 million price on his head.
gomezz
21-10-2013
Originally Posted by solare:
“I enjoyed it. I like the slow pace and the fact that not everything is explained (e.g. what the Venuzuelans want, how they know Carrie).”

Do they know Carrie? Or only that Brody is continually asking to call her. And he has been asking why they are holding him. I think the doctor and the boy is perhaps a healthier relationship than we are supposed to be made to think at first sight.
slouchingthatch
21-10-2013
Originally Posted by FrankBT:
“Yes. If one has the attention span of a housefly which seems to be a major problem these days with so many younger people then I can fully understand. We had an episode mainly featuring Brody before in s1.when he stayed at Abu Nazir's house, and that was one of the best episodes.”

I agree with you - I said in my review that this was a brave episode that I personally loved. But equally I can understand why people don't like it, even though I happen to disagree with them.
slouchingthatch
21-10-2013
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“Do they know Carrie? Or only that Brody is continually asking to call her. And he has been asking why they are holding him. I think the doctor and the boy is perhaps a healthier relationship than we are supposed to be made to think at first sight.”

es do. El Nino says quite specifically that they are "looking after" Brody because he owes her a favour.
slouchingthatch
21-10-2013
Originally Posted by Jenny_Sawyer:
“I am confused as to why the people holding Brody are not on the phone to the US authorities in order to claim the $10 million, I can only assume that it would be dangerous for them to do so seeing as they're criminals themselves, & are waiting for a 'safe' time when they can 'cash him in'.

I'm surprised to learn that there are mosques in Latin America.”

It's stated by the gang leader El Nino that he owes Carrie and is doing this as a favour to her.Why that is, we don't know yet (and may never know).
blueisthecolour
21-10-2013
I think the show is still a reasonable decent drama but it seems to have lost its whole raison d'etre. The point of the show initially was the ambiguity of the characters: was Brody a hero or a terrorist? Was Carrie a genius or a mental case? To be fair the answers to those questions weren't clear cut, but we do have answers. There just isn't any mystery left about those characters.
solare
21-10-2013
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“Do they know Carrie? Or only that Brody is continually asking to call her. And he has been asking why they are holding him. I think the doctor and the boy is perhaps a healthier relationship than we are supposed to be made to think at first sight.”

Yes - the gang leader mentioned that he knows Carrie. The question is, how did the gang know that Brody would be turning up, injured, where and when he did. Also, I wonder why they want to get him addicted to heroin. Possibly to have control over him and ensure he stays.

I agree about the relationship between the doctor and the boy, It's probably not as dubious as it appeared.
mimik1uk
21-10-2013
I am in two minds about this series so far

I agree to a point about it still being early in the series and giving it a chance to develop but in truth we are 3 shows in, which is a quarter of the way through the season, and I still have zero idea what the main plotline is

all its really been so far is still picking up the pieces from last series
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