Brody must be the most wanted man in america at this point - and he hasn't even grown a beard !
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Originally Posted by Virgil Tracy:
“Brody must be the most wanted man in america at this point - and he hasn't even grown a beard !”
“Brody must be the most wanted man in america at this point - and he hasn't even grown a beard !”
I suppose his most distinguishing feature (apart from the scars on his back) is the fact that he's ginger, so growing a beard would only draw attention to that - especially in Latin America.
Originally Posted by solare:
“ I suppose his most distinguishing feature (apart from the scars on his back) is the fact that he's ginger, so growing a beard would only draw attention to that - especially in Latin America.”
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I suppose his most distinguishing feature (apart from the scars on his back) is the fact that he's ginger, so growing a beard would only draw attention to that - especially in Latin America.”
yeah its a shame no-one has invented something like hair dye .
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Originally Posted by Killary45:
“I don't understand those who say that this was a particularly "dark" episode. The Claire Danes sub-plot showed her gradually recovering from a low point and getting her wits about her
Brodie began badly injured, but we had no doubt that he would survive. For most of the episode his rescuers/captors leave him free to walk about, no chains or locked doors, and they even return to him his passport and money to help him if he were to run away. Five cruel deaths, but that is not a particularly high body count for this series. And even when he finally was locked up he was given heroin for recreation.
And to cheer him up there just happened to be a drop-dead gorgeous woman on hand to mop his brow while he taught her English. Fortunately for Brodie she did not have a boyfriend (?) or any other friends and family in her life apart from a group of ruthless criminals, so she wanted to risk her life and run away with him although she believed him to be terrorist with a $10 million price on his head.”
“I don't understand those who say that this was a particularly "dark" episode. The Claire Danes sub-plot showed her gradually recovering from a low point and getting her wits about her
Brodie began badly injured, but we had no doubt that he would survive. For most of the episode his rescuers/captors leave him free to walk about, no chains or locked doors, and they even return to him his passport and money to help him if he were to run away. Five cruel deaths, but that is not a particularly high body count for this series. And even when he finally was locked up he was given heroin for recreation.
And to cheer him up there just happened to be a drop-dead gorgeous woman on hand to mop his brow while he taught her English. Fortunately for Brodie she did not have a boyfriend (?) or any other friends and family in her life apart from a group of ruthless criminals, so she wanted to risk her life and run away with him although she believed him to be terrorist with a $10 million price on his head.”
I agree and I am not sure how much longer I am going to be watching. I loved Homeland when it first aired and I think Claire Danes is a marvellous actress but it just seems to have lost it's way..
btw does anyone know how Brody got injured?
Loved the doctor's line to Brody: "You're a naughty, naughty boy" (after he tried to escape).
I expect next week, if the authorities discover Brody is there, the doctor will yell out of the window:
"He's not a terrorist...he's a very naughty boy".
I expect next week, if the authorities discover Brody is there, the doctor will yell out of the window:
"He's not a terrorist...he's a very naughty boy".
Brody ends up in Caracas and Quinn was there as well when he killed the banker. Coincidence or what?
Is Carrie paranoid about the dodgy lawyer or was she right about him trying to recruit her for... whoever. Is this the same law firm that represented HLBC when the bankers met with Saul and Fara.
Is Carrie paranoid about the dodgy lawyer or was she right about him trying to recruit her for... whoever. Is this the same law firm that represented HLBC when the bankers met with Saul and Fara.
A bit of a bore if I'm honest, a simple bit of exposition could have speeded this episode up.
What's the crack with that paedo doctor, very strange. And why is he so keen to get Brody on drugs?
What's the crack with that paedo doctor, very strange. And why is he so keen to get Brody on drugs?
Originally Posted by solare:
“Loved the doctor's line to Brody: "You're a naughty, naughty boy" (after he tried to escape).
I expect next week, if the authorities discover Brody is there, the doctor will yell out of the window:
"He's not a terrorist...he's a very naughty boy".”
“Loved the doctor's line to Brody: "You're a naughty, naughty boy" (after he tried to escape).
I expect next week, if the authorities discover Brody is there, the doctor will yell out of the window:
"He's not a terrorist...he's a very naughty boy".”
"Who are you?"
"I'm his doctor!"
"Behold, his doctor!"
I tend to feel in limbo in the Homeland threads here, I watch on RTÉ so I'm 2 days behind the US and 5 days ahead of the UK so I find it difficult to comment often.
I found this episode desperately slow after actually enjoying the non Dana parts in the first two but I can understand that we're only a quarter of the way in.
If it continues like this though I'm not watching another season.
I think that now we are up to speed with both Carrie's and Brody's story since the bombing at Langley so what happens from now on is the real core of the series.
A "baddie" has been identified - Javaidi - who bombed Langley in retaliation for them hitting sites in his country. Not sure how he got the bomb in Brody's car but anyway... We know he has a link to Caracas - as Quinn killed a guy there when they had that twenty minute window to kill six targets.
It can't be coincidence that Brody happens to be there too. Even if he is being held against his will, both parts will link somehow.
The Dana story seems like filler, unless they are keeping the Brody family in for some other reason. Don't know why, especially as the actress playing Jessica is pregnant so surely there will be a time when she is off screen. Maybe they are shifting the focus to Dana to reduce Jessica's screen time. Chris is a non starter it seems.
As the previous poster said, the viewer needs to keep their attention on the story rather than giving up. Yes it's a slow burner but I think it will build.
A "baddie" has been identified - Javaidi - who bombed Langley in retaliation for them hitting sites in his country. Not sure how he got the bomb in Brody's car but anyway... We know he has a link to Caracas - as Quinn killed a guy there when they had that twenty minute window to kill six targets.
It can't be coincidence that Brody happens to be there too. Even if he is being held against his will, both parts will link somehow.
The Dana story seems like filler, unless they are keeping the Brody family in for some other reason. Don't know why, especially as the actress playing Jessica is pregnant so surely there will be a time when she is off screen. Maybe they are shifting the focus to Dana to reduce Jessica's screen time. Chris is a non starter it seems.
As the previous poster said, the viewer needs to keep their attention on the story rather than giving up. Yes it's a slow burner but I think it will build.
It's all a bit "aren't we clever running two separate storylines that share a theme?" at the moment.
So Brody and Carrie are back in their own private hell ? A poignant finale .
But he should have known what a woman scorned would do!! .
I think episode three was interesting enough to make us realise how weakened both characters have become and want to know how they'll come out of the seemingly impossible situations they find themselves in .
But he should have known what a woman scorned would do!! .
I think episode three was interesting enough to make us realise how weakened both characters have become and want to know how they'll come out of the seemingly impossible situations they find themselves in .
Originally Posted by ChrissieAO:
“I agree and I am not sure how much longer I am going to be watching. I loved Homeland when it first aired and I think Claire Danes is a marvellous actress but it just seems to have lost it's way..
btw does anyone know how Brody got injured?”
“I agree and I am not sure how much longer I am going to be watching. I loved Homeland when it first aired and I think Claire Danes is a marvellous actress but it just seems to have lost it's way..
btw does anyone know how Brody got injured?”
He was shot by Colombians - it's implied they were after the $10m bounty.
I really enjoyed this episode. Brody coming round after the operation to the sound of the Muslim call to prayer was a smart bit of writing and created the sense of alienation that continued throughout. Likewise the introduction of characters into Carrie's world who may be benign but may be evil created a sense that something is happening, but we don't yet know what.
I guess this was a Marmite episode and would appeal more to people who prefer ambiguity to clear-cut resolution.
I guess this was a Marmite episode and would appeal more to people who prefer ambiguity to clear-cut resolution.
Originally Posted by CJClarke:
“Agreed, I thought it was a really good episode, it seems a bit silly to be writing off a 12 episode show after only 3 episodes, people need to have a bit more patience, it's obviously heading somewhere, this episode was just setting up the hopelessness of Brody and Carrie's situations, and there were loads of seeds planted for where it's potentially heading. It's back to the slow burn intrigue of Season 1 as opposed to the 24 clone that it turned into during Season 2 (I love 24, but Homeland is a different show, I don't want it ripping off 24 which it came dangerously close to doing last season), if you think back to season 1, that was really slow until the last few episodes.
This was a very dark episode, but far from "boring" on "uninteresting" if you're invested in the characters. I thought both Damian Lewis and Claire Danes were excellent in this episode.”
“Agreed, I thought it was a really good episode, it seems a bit silly to be writing off a 12 episode show after only 3 episodes, people need to have a bit more patience, it's obviously heading somewhere, this episode was just setting up the hopelessness of Brody and Carrie's situations, and there were loads of seeds planted for where it's potentially heading. It's back to the slow burn intrigue of Season 1 as opposed to the 24 clone that it turned into during Season 2 (I love 24, but Homeland is a different show, I don't want it ripping off 24 which it came dangerously close to doing last season), if you think back to season 1, that was really slow until the last few episodes.
This was a very dark episode, but far from "boring" on "uninteresting" if you're invested in the characters. I thought both Damian Lewis and Claire Danes were excellent in this episode.”
No, people don't 'need' to have more patience. It's a tv show and if people are bored with it after 3 episodes then they can stop watching it if they want.
The killing of the muslim priest and his wife was senseless and probably will have no bearing on the rest of the story. Mindless gratuitous violence.
the investment on that peado doctor....waste of time as by no stretch of imagination will the story stay in Caracas or the weird doctor travel to where ever Brody does next.
the investment on that peado doctor....waste of time as by no stretch of imagination will the story stay in Caracas or the weird doctor travel to where ever Brody does next.
Originally Posted by slouchingthatch:
“He was shot by Colombians - it's implied they were after the $10m bounty.”
“He was shot by Colombians - it's implied they were after the $10m bounty.”
did not see that.
Unless it was in the spanish dialogues...for which they did not have subtitles!!!!!
Originally Posted by tom_domutoa:
“did not see that.
Unless it was in the spanish dialogues...for which they did not have subtitles!!!!!”
“did not see that.
Unless it was in the spanish dialogues...for which they did not have subtitles!!!!!”
Yes it was alluded to in the subtitles on the episode version I watched last week (US pace)
Originally Posted by Jenbonjovi:
“No, people don't 'need' to have more patience. It's a tv show and if people are bored with it after 3 episodes then they can stop watching it if they want.”
“No, people don't 'need' to have more patience. It's a tv show and if people are bored with it after 3 episodes then they can stop watching it if they want.
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Exactly. Homeland has to earn its place in my watching schedule. There are only a certain number of hours I want to spend watching TV, and unless it improves rapidly Homeland will no longer be included.
Very few would watch it on the basis of the first three episodes of this season alone. If it still has an audience it is because of its set-up two years ago and the way it told its story then, but now it seems to be a very different show, since the original characters all have changed their motivation.
AND - has there been any explanation for the absence of subtitles - is it because they don't think American audiences can read and watch TV at the same time?
Originally Posted by Killary45:
“AND - has there been any explanation for the absence of subtitles - is it because they don't think American audiences can read and watch TV at the same time?”
“AND - has there been any explanation for the absence of subtitles - is it because they don't think American audiences can read and watch TV at the same time?”
The trite answer would be that Spanish is the most spoken language in America, not English
I think it's more probably though that it was an example of the director treating the audience as intelligent people who could get the gist of what was going on without needing to read what was being said and making the audience feel like they were witnessing it as in real life where there are no convenient subtitles.
I thought it was mildly frustrating but in hindsight really good and from the comments above about what went on it seems they didn't overestimate the intelligence of the viewer, it makes a pleasant change from the many programs that hugely underestimate it.
A key plot point, that the columbians wanted to claim the bounty on Brody, should have been revealed to the audience especially if it was being said in spanish.
Arabic is also spoken in vast parts of the world and USA. Should arabic dialogue not be subtitled for the viewer.
Arabic is also spoken in vast parts of the world and USA. Should arabic dialogue not be subtitled for the viewer.
Have you all seen this?
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2013-...dy-left-carrie
I downloaded it for free using my Amazon log-in.
Haven't had time to listen yet, it's half an hour long, but definitely need some explanation as to what's happened to Brody.
Quote:
“Homeland star Damian Lewis has narrated additional audio content from the perspective of his character Nicholas Brody to support series three of the conspiracy thriller.
It’s taken until episode three for Brody to return to the show. We’ve not been given much information on how, as a suspected terrorist on the run, he’s managed to get from A to B, stay out of sight and find himself a squatter in the high rise Tower of David in Venezuela.
The story, entitled Phantom Pain, is in fact a letter to his lover, CIA agent Carrie (Claire Danes), in which Brody explains his journey and how he’s coping since having to flee from her and America.”
“Homeland star Damian Lewis has narrated additional audio content from the perspective of his character Nicholas Brody to support series three of the conspiracy thriller.
It’s taken until episode three for Brody to return to the show. We’ve not been given much information on how, as a suspected terrorist on the run, he’s managed to get from A to B, stay out of sight and find himself a squatter in the high rise Tower of David in Venezuela.
The story, entitled Phantom Pain, is in fact a letter to his lover, CIA agent Carrie (Claire Danes), in which Brody explains his journey and how he’s coping since having to flee from her and America.”
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2013-...dy-left-carrie
I downloaded it for free using my Amazon log-in.
Haven't had time to listen yet, it's half an hour long, but definitely need some explanation as to what's happened to Brody.
why do people keep saying its lost is way. its a series, it is building up to something. they clearly are not letting the viewer know what this is, my guess it is the writers intention to give the viewer the feeling that they have no idea where the show is going. to more impatient people this leads them to assume its a rudderless ship. there will probably be a big reveal in the next few episodes, this reveal will either bring interest back to homeland or it will fall flat, I still have faith in the former option at this point.
personally I think the first episode should have come out with a bang to put homeland back on the map and to shut people up, then slow things down. people forget that both S1 and S2 had a very slow pace in some areas.
personally I think the first episode should have come out with a bang to put homeland back on the map and to shut people up, then slow things down. people forget that both S1 and S2 had a very slow pace in some areas.
Originally Posted by tom_domutoa:
“A key plot point, that the columbians wanted to claim the bounty on Brody, should have been revealed to the audience especially if it was being said in spanish.”
“A key plot point, that the columbians wanted to claim the bounty on Brody, should have been revealed to the audience especially if it was being said in spanish.”
It was revealed in English. El Nino told Brody that the Colombians nearly killed him for the bounty. It was when they first talked after the op.
Nino also told the doc that Brody was ambushed crossing the border.
Originally Posted by La Rhumba:
“Have you all seen this?
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2013-...dy-left-carrie
I downloaded it for free using my Amazon log-in.
Haven't had time to listen yet, it's half an hour long, but definitely need some explanation as to what's happened to Brody.”
“Have you all seen this?
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2013-...dy-left-carrie
I downloaded it for free using my Amazon log-in.
Haven't had time to listen yet, it's half an hour long, but definitely need some explanation as to what's happened to Brody.”
I have heard it, it's essentially Brody reading out a letter to Carrie. Although it doesn't give all answers it does say how he go to South America. There are no spoilers in it re the current storyline.
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