Wait a minute! Carrie was undercover???
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That was a plot twist of 24 proportions. So did Saul tell her the mission when he visited her in the hospital and she told him to go f**k himself?
Carries reaction when alone watching Saul testify at the inquiry doesn't add up if she was undercover all along.
Does it?
Does it?
Originally Posted by Inspiration:
“That was a plot twist of 24 proportions. So did Saul tell her the mission when he visited her in the hospital and she told him to go f**k himself?”
“That was a plot twist of 24 proportions. So did Saul tell her the mission when he visited her in the hospital and she told him to go f**k himself?”
I think that was because he left her in there longer than she expected, but it was also a red herring for us viewers.
I take back all those nasty things I've said about Saul this season.
That final scene, two brilliant actors at the top of their game.
That final scene, two brilliant actors at the top of their game.
Originally Posted by Goaty:
“Wait a minute! Carrie was undercover???”
“Wait a minute! Carrie was undercover???”
And she was undercover the whole time apparently. As soon as the bomb went off, her and Saul came up with this plan to lure Javadi out of hiding. All seemed a little flimsy to me. If that is the case, Carrie certainly put on a great show in the mental institution and covered every fine detail. The phone call to the father, the call to Virgil, the code word Virgil gave her, the meeting with the guy she spent the night with before....All a ploy as they knew she was being watched and had to cover every possible outcome. Certainly an improvement from last few episodes. We'll see how it pans out.
Originally Posted by Darth-Habib:
“I take back all those nasty things I've said about Saul this season.
That final scene, two brilliant actors at the top of their game.”
“I take back all those nasty things I've said about Saul this season.
That final scene, two brilliant actors at the top of their game.”
Agree!
Originally Posted by The Ambassador:
“Carries reaction when alone watching Saul testify at the inquiry doesn't add up if she was undercover all along.
Does it?”
“Carries reaction when alone watching Saul testify at the inquiry doesn't add up if she was undercover all along.
Does it?”
According to Alex Gansa, if you watch it again, he says 'you'll understand that she's not surprised by what she's hearing. She's actually just amazed at how it affects her to understand that she is to blame for what happened.'
Originally Posted by EastEnder39:
“According to Alex Gansa, if you watch it again, you'll understand that she's not surprised by what she's hearing. She's actually just amazed at how it affects her to understand that she is to blame for what happened.”
“According to Alex Gansa, if you watch it again, you'll understand that she's not surprised by what she's hearing. She's actually just amazed at how it affects her to understand that she is to blame for what happened.”
Yeah that's what I was just thinking.
Brilliant really. I didn't for a second think she was undercover.. although I was struggling to believe she would go that much off the rails at times. I suppose it all makes more sense now.
Another thing we learnt tonight, Saul doesn't trust the other CIA guy. Or at least was happy to use him.
The plan could only work if it was clearly shown that she felt aggrieved and was willing to blab to the press about it.
Originally Posted by The Ambassador:
“Carries reaction when alone watching Saul testify at the inquiry doesn't add up if she was undercover all along.
Does it?”
“Carries reaction when alone watching Saul testify at the inquiry doesn't add up if she was undercover all along.
Does it?”
It's explained a bit in this interview:
http://www.tvguide.com/News/Homeland...a-1072323.aspx
Originally Posted by Inspiration:
“Yeah that's what I was just thinking.
Brilliant really. I didn't for a second think she was undercover.. although I was struggling to believe she would go that much off the rails at times. I suppose it all makes more sense now.”
“Yeah that's what I was just thinking.
Brilliant really. I didn't for a second think she was undercover.. although I was struggling to believe she would go that much off the rails at times. I suppose it all makes more sense now.”
Yeah, I still think the extremes she went to in the mental institution were way over the top.
That being said, this is a woman who is mentally ill anyway and who can become more unstable when not medicated properly.
Originally Posted by Inspiration:
“Yeah that's what I was just thinking.
Brilliant really. I didn't for a second think she was undercover.. although I was struggling to believe she would go that much off the rails at times. I suppose it all makes more sense now.”
“Yeah that's what I was just thinking.
Brilliant really. I didn't for a second think she was undercover.. although I was struggling to believe she would go that much off the rails at times. I suppose it all makes more sense now.”
No it doesn't make any sense. Why inject her with drugs which she was clearly resisting in the scenes that we saw.? None of Carrie's reactions leading up to her hospital imprisonment make any sense if she was in on it. Even when Saul visited her he was told to f*** off. Only of he explained what was going on to her at that point would it make any sense but we aren't told that..
Originally Posted by nomad2king:
“The plan could only work if it was clearly shown that she felt aggrieved and was willing to blab to the press about it.”
“The plan could only work if it was clearly shown that she felt aggrieved and was willing to blab to the press about it.”
Yep it all makes sense now. Even down to Carrie going to the papers. Genius. I'm tempted to re-watch the first three episodes again just to admire it.
Originally Posted by FrankBT:
“So why the need for all the drug injections in the hospital to render her semi conscious which she was shown to be clearly resisting?”
“So why the need for all the drug injections in the hospital to render her semi conscious which she was shown to be clearly resisting?”
I think part of the plan required her to come off her meds and no matter how good she is undercover, she couldn't stop what that does to her. And so some of the hospital stuff was genuine.
Originally Posted by FrankBT:
“So why the need for all the drug injections in the hospital to render her semi conscious which she was shown to be clearly resisting?”
“So why the need for all the drug injections in the hospital to render her semi conscious which she was shown to be clearly resisting?”
Don't forget that she is technically mentally ill.
It is easy to relapse especially in a high stress situation.
Good twist but I feel sorry for the guy she shagged a couple of times, never mind her keeping all her clothes on during the deed, then dipping your pockets it also transpires that to play someone mentally ill involves copping off with you....poor guy.
Well I certainly didn't expect that! A good twist. Watching Carrie is a tense experience as you can feel the anguish knotting her up inside.
Good link, as I agree with it;
Just when you started to think the Homeland team was writing season 3′s scripts in Crazy Carrie’s green pen, Sunday night’s hour unveiled a twist that upended everything you have seen this season.
The Emmy-winning Showtime drama series’ first few episodes this fall showed Carrie Mathison (Claire Danes) locked in a mental institution, publicly humiliated, betrayed by the CIA and — most hurtfully — thrown under the bus by her closest ally and father figure Saul (Mandy Patinkin). It was a brutal arc that left some viewers frustrated and dismayed. Then at the very end of tonight’s hour, there was this revelation: Carrie and Saul have been secretly in cahoots to ruin her reputation to lure out the mastermind responsible for last season’s memorial bombing. Suddenly it seems Carrie isn’t a reckless victim, but as the episode’s “Game On” title suggests, very much in the game, and has been this whole time.
What’s particularly brilliant about this move is that Carrie’s live-wire methods and hunches constantly test the trust and faith of everybody around her. But fans are accustomed to being in the loop, and we get to feel righteously judgmental when others doubt Carrie because we know the truth. This season, the writers gambled by turning the tables: They tested our faith and trust — in Carrie’s sanity, in Saul’s morality, and in the wisdom of the show’s own narrative path.
http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/10/21/ho...n-3-interview/
Just when you started to think the Homeland team was writing season 3′s scripts in Crazy Carrie’s green pen, Sunday night’s hour unveiled a twist that upended everything you have seen this season.
The Emmy-winning Showtime drama series’ first few episodes this fall showed Carrie Mathison (Claire Danes) locked in a mental institution, publicly humiliated, betrayed by the CIA and — most hurtfully — thrown under the bus by her closest ally and father figure Saul (Mandy Patinkin). It was a brutal arc that left some viewers frustrated and dismayed. Then at the very end of tonight’s hour, there was this revelation: Carrie and Saul have been secretly in cahoots to ruin her reputation to lure out the mastermind responsible for last season’s memorial bombing. Suddenly it seems Carrie isn’t a reckless victim, but as the episode’s “Game On” title suggests, very much in the game, and has been this whole time.
What’s particularly brilliant about this move is that Carrie’s live-wire methods and hunches constantly test the trust and faith of everybody around her. But fans are accustomed to being in the loop, and we get to feel righteously judgmental when others doubt Carrie because we know the truth. This season, the writers gambled by turning the tables: They tested our faith and trust — in Carrie’s sanity, in Saul’s morality, and in the wisdom of the show’s own narrative path.
http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/10/21/ho...n-3-interview/
I suspect this season will be best enjoyed in a non-stop marathon session where you watch all the episodes in one go - and you can see the arc unfold as it should. The weekly broadcast format does mean that we have too much time to dwell on things!
A better episode but while I suppose I welcome the "twist" in order to give the plot somewhere to go, it is a bit of a cheat on the viewer to show Carrie as desperate to be freed from the institution even in her private moments, and to show Saul as trying his best to keep her in it, for us then to be told that it was a ruse.
Originally Posted by FrankBT:
“No it doesn't make any sense. Why inject her with drugs which she was clearly resisting in the scenes that we saw.? None of Carrie's reactions leading up to her hospital imprisonment make any sense if she was in on it. Even when Saul visited her he was told to f*** off. Only of he explained what was going on to her at that point would it make any sense but we aren't told that..”
“No it doesn't make any sense. Why inject her with drugs which she was clearly resisting in the scenes that we saw.? None of Carrie's reactions leading up to her hospital imprisonment make any sense if she was in on it. Even when Saul visited her he was told to f*** off. Only of he explained what was going on to her at that point would it make any sense but we aren't told that..”
A good point, but in hindsight I think she reacted like that because he took it too far. I don't think she expected to be treated like that by the hospital staff, so her reactions in the hospital were real.
Originally Posted by Killary45:
“A better episode but while I suppose I welcome the "twist" in order to give the plot somewhere to go, it is a bit of a cheat on the viewer to show Carrie as desperate to be freed from the institution even in her private moments, and to show Saul as trying his best to keep her in it, for us then to be told that it was a ruse.”
“A better episode but while I suppose I welcome the "twist" in order to give the plot somewhere to go, it is a bit of a cheat on the viewer to show Carrie as desperate to be freed from the institution even in her private moments, and to show Saul as trying his best to keep her in it, for us then to be told that it was a ruse.”
They maintained appearances to others in order to keep the illusion. We saw nothing that gave an indication either way when it was just the two of them. They still don't know who they can completely trust.
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