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Old 05-11-2013, 17:38
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I know & I do kind of get how she would connect the two things in her mind, but it just irritated me watching her flushing her meds yet again after just having gotten stable again in the hospital.
I know. I prefer her when she's stable and the story can focus on her being a super, perceptive agent rather than her struggle with bipolor disorder.

Also, she was taking her meds in Series 1 - when she suspected Brody of being a traitor - and she was correct in her suspicions then. She should have more confidence in the medication
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Old 05-11-2013, 18:07
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I know. I prefer her when she's stable and the story can focus on her being a super, perceptive agent rather than her struggle with bipolor disorder.

Also, she was taking her meds in Series 1 - when she suspected Brody of being a traitor - and she was correct in her suspicions then. She should have more confidence in the medication
Absolutely! 100% agreed
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Old 05-11-2013, 22:20
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same here
as well as I much preferred congressman Brody to Brody stuck in a hole while we figure out what to do with him
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Old 05-11-2013, 22:27
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that's a very silly line
12 years ago.. she was - what - about 20 at that point? I think she says somewhere that has been with the agency 14 years... so hardly down to her to prevent the twin tower attack
Which means if she joined the agency straight of University (which was probably like Yale) she is about 36. 22 + 14. Danes is 34 so Carrie is actually older. So she was what 24 when 9/11 happened, and presumably junior in her job.
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Old 05-11-2013, 22:47
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from wiki
Background and personality[edit]
Caroline Anne Mathison was an Arabic language student at Princeton University, where she was recruited into the CIA by veteran officer Saul Berenson (Mandy Patinkin). Carrie developed a close working relationship with Saul, and is implied to have had a sexual relationship with CTC Director David Estes (David Harewood), her future boss, which contributed to the breakup of his marriage.[4] In college, Carrie was diagnosed with bipolar disorder, for which she secretly began taking clozapine supplied by her older sister, Maggie (Amy Hargreaves).
As a field operative in Iraq, Carrie infiltrated a prison to meet with an imprisoned CIA asset named Hasan Ibrahim, who claimed that he had information regarding an imminent terrorist attack in the United States. Moments before his execution, Hasan told Carrie that an American prisoner of war was turned by al-Qaeda figure Abu Nazir (Navid Negahban). Carrie's unauthorized dealings with Hasan led to an international incident, causing Estes to have her reassigned to the CIA's Counterterrorism Center in Langley, Virginia.[5]
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Old 05-11-2013, 22:50
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Saul should have killed the senator in the bunker with his rifle and said it was a hunting accident.
Would have saved his job then.
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Old 05-11-2013, 23:24
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Members criticising Carrie tipping her meds away .
You should know that this is a classic reaction .
Sufferers claim that they feel so much better that they really do believe they don't need the meds any longer.
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Old 06-11-2013, 07:26
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She wasnt really mad was she. it was all a game to lure the Iranians in. No need for medicines now is there
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Old 06-11-2013, 08:18
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She wasnt really mad was she. it was all a game to lure the Iranians in. No need for medicines now is there
The play isn't that she pretended to be 'mad'. The play is that they pretended she has been abandoned by the CIA and is therefore vulnerable and ripe to be turned.

She still is still and always will be bi polar and need her meds.

To make the play convincing she went off her meds and allowed herself to have a manic episode that landed her in the psych ward. That is what her reaction when she watched Saul give evidence was about. It sank in that it was game on and because she has been through it before she knew what she was in for with her bi polar. Just because it was deliberate doesn't mean that she didn't really suffer a manic episode.
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Old 06-11-2013, 12:29
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I've only just watched the last episode and I don't get why there was the subterfuge with the yoga class.
The CIA operative she went to see at the coffee shop is not in on her and Sauls plan and going to him openly to ask for him to find the girl would have no affect on the secret plan.
If he happened to mention that he had spoken or seen Carrie it would totally give her game away that she could evade her watchers.
Surely if as the CIA were watching her at that stage, they obviously saw the girls mother go to see her anyway so trying to get help would be a more natural thing to do than doing nothing!!
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Old 06-11-2013, 12:42
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I've only just watched the last episode and I don't get why there was the subterfuge with the yoga class.
The CIA operative she went to see at the coffee shop is not in on her and Sauls plan and going to him openly to ask for him to find the girl would have no affect on the secret plan.
If he happened to mention that he had spoken or seen Carrie it would totally give her game away that she could evade her watchers.
Surely if as the CIA were watching her at that stage, they obviously saw the girls mother go to see her anyway so trying to get help would be a more natural thing to do than doing nothing!!
I think you've made it more complicated than it was. The guy she went to see was an FBI agent who refused to speak to her on the phone about Dana so she went to see him in person. In order to do so she had to shake off the Iranians who would realise she was a double agent if they saw her speaking to the FBI.

Unless anyone has a better explanation...
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Old 06-11-2013, 12:46
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I think the point was that Javaidis people were watching Carrie.

She pretended to go to yoga as she knew she was being watched. She snuck out to see the FBI guy about Dana. If Javaidis men thought she still had dealings with the FBI/CIA then they would have known that she hadn't been abandoned by them. The whole process up to this point was to make out Carrie was vulnerable to being turned to the Iranian side. If she was still able to ask the FBI or CIA for help, for anything, then she hadn't been abandoned.

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I think I was typing as the previous post was being made!
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Old 06-11-2013, 13:05
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I think the point was that Javaidis people were watching Carrie.

She pretended to go to yoga as she knew she was being watched. She snuck out to see the FBI guy about Dana. If Javaidis men thought she still had dealings with the FBI/CIA then they would have known that she hadn't been abandoned by them. The whole process up to this point was to make out Carrie was vulnerable to being turned to the Iranian side. If she was still able to ask the FBI or CIA for help, for anything, then she hadn't been abandoned.

Happy to be corrected if wrong!


I think I was typing as the previous post was being made!
In other words a lot of over complication for something that she could ask saul to intercede on her behalf.

Bit like the killing of the Venezuelan by Quinn. Blasting a wall to create a diversion when in fact it alerted the occupants and resulted in a gun fight.

All TV nonsense bluster to make it watchable i think.
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Old 06-11-2013, 14:39
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A lot of complication to add to the stupid Dana fleeing with boyfriend filler storyline, yes
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Old 06-11-2013, 14:48
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Who was the FBI guy ...some bit part in series 1 or 2? He looked familiar
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Old 06-11-2013, 14:59
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Who was the FBI guy ...some bit part in series 1 or 2? He looked familiar
Special Agent Hall. According to IMDB he was in three previous episodes before this one, season 2 episode 12 and season 1 episodes 8 and 9.
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Old 06-11-2013, 15:05
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I think the point was that Javaidis people were watching Carrie.

She pretended to go to yoga as she knew she was being watched. She snuck out to see the FBI guy about Dana. If Javaidis men thought she still had dealings with the FBI/CIA then they would have known that she hadn't been abandoned by them. The whole process up to this point was to make out Carrie was vulnerable to being turned to the Iranian side. If she was still able to ask the FBI or CIA for help, for anything, then she hadn't been abandoned.

Happy to be corrected if wrong!


I think I was typing as the previous post was being made!
Thanks for this, it explains it somewhat but I thought apart from Saul she has been abandoned by everyone else as no-one else (apart from Quinn now) knows about Sauls plan. That certainly seemed to be the reaction from the guy who's help she was asking for
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Old 06-11-2013, 23:37
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I think Homeland has a massive problem: Brodie is a dead man. He just is. I do not know how they are going to manage reintegrating him when really he should be dead by now. The show could once have been his story once, then it was his and Carrie's, but now its the Carrie and the CIA's show. It could just become the CIA show if Danes ever wants to leave and they need to sideline the character.
It's not a massive problem. They should have finished off Brodie's story at the end of season 1, and focussed on a new terrorist threat for each season. They shouldn't have bothered bring Brodie back this season.
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Old 07-11-2013, 00:39
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I think you've made it more complicated than it was. The guy she went to see was an FBI agent who refused to speak to her on the phone about Dana so she went to see him in person. In order to do so she had to shake off the Iranians who would realise she was a double agent if they saw her speaking to the FBI.

Unless anyone has a better explanation...
Spot on.
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Old 09-11-2013, 14:23
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I think Saul's comment 'she's always been on her own' quite cold or either very prophetic. Makes me wonder ...
Cold. Saul isn't that nice. A Dumbledore character really... cares about Carrie in his way but will sacrifice her to the greater good.
I didn't read it as cold. He meant that she has always been a maverick and done things her own way - I thought that was obvious. It wasn't supposed to be taken as: "She has always been on her own because none of us give two shits about her", if that's what you thought. It was far too obvious a line for me though - as if the viewer hasn't worked out for themselves by now what Carrie is about.
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Old 09-11-2013, 14:27
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I'm surprised that so many people don't seem able to watch the show without Brody. To me his storyline is over, done. There are so many other ways to go, which they are starting to do now. I actually worry that the show will go downhill if writers have to come up with some ridiculous way to bring Brody back just to keep viewers happy. I mean, his credibility is gone forever, in the eyes of the world. The video he made is out there, and there's not really a way to explain it, is there? I don't mean just in this forum btw, it's especially noticeable on Twitter.
I prefer it without Brody - they should have written him out a long time ago. I want to see more of the gorgeous Quinn!

But....the 'show will go downhill'? Oh we're looooong past that one.
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Old 09-11-2013, 21:40
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I definitely agree about Quinn But I said I worry that the show will go downhill - I don't think it has yet, although the extremely tedious episode about Brody and Carrie did test me
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Old 10-11-2013, 21:15
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Saul should say

My name is Saul Berenson, you slept with my wife, prepare to die
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Old 10-11-2013, 21:17
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So she's just told javaidi the plan i.e that Saul used her to lure him?
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Old 10-11-2013, 21:30
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I wonder if Drones is allowed in US lands?
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