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Old 26-11-2013, 19:33
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Bring back Dana!

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I am still waiting for mute boy, to say something, that is now my main motivation in watching the show!
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Old 26-11-2013, 22:12
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I am still waiting for mute boy, to say something, that is now my main motivation in watching the show!
The Chris Brody drinking game, where you can still be under the limit after 3 series.
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Old 26-11-2013, 22:19
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Homeland has always been far fetched - even season 1. That's part of the appeal. I'm enjoying this season after the shambles that was season 2.
Well given that the CIA wouldn't actually deal with homeland security we wouldn't really get too far if it wasn't far fetched.
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Old 26-11-2013, 22:29
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Has anyone worked out how El Nino knows Carrie ? [ Brody asked why are you helping ,El Nino says you know Carrie Mathison so do I ] If he knows Carrie why hasn't he contacted her? Why wait until now to cash in on the reward ?
How did Brody get shot and ended up in Caracas anyway? A far cry from Canada ?
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Old 26-11-2013, 22:59
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I am sure that I saw Mira's boyfriend swap the computer mouse when he broke into the house.
Could he be a possible terrorist just using her to get to Saul ?
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Old 27-11-2013, 08:14
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Love reading your reviews !
Don't you think Carrie will lose the baby ?She's bound to either disclose that she's pregant when they get her to the hospital or be found out ?
Thanks!

Personally I think it's likely she will lose the baby somehow. If she does have it, it's difficult to picture Carrie as a mother and role model ...
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Old 27-11-2013, 08:20
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Nobody 'saw Brody to Caracas'. He was on the run in South America, got shot, recognised and delivered up to the bandidos. He could have died before he even arrived there. Why would he try to escape from his captors if he and Saul were in it together? . Or perhaps that was part of the 'plan' as well.
No - it's been clearly signposted all along that Brody's presence in Caracas is no accident.

We know Brody was delivered to Venezuela via a people smuggling network. His 'captor' fully expected his arrival and mentioned that he was doing Carrie a favour. And Saul knew exactly where he was and the suitcase of cash he was carrying seemed to be treated as a straightforward payment rather than a ransom.(There was no tension surrounding his arrival - it was all very matter-of-fact.)

This points to Saul having had a hand in the whole affair. As we know from Carrie being committed and the whole Javadi plan, Saul has been playing a long game all along. Brody is a pawn under his control who was pushed to one side for a while but is now being brought back into play at a time of Saul's choosing - to be sacrificed, I suspect.

I expect this week's episode will tell us what Saul's plan for Brody is. I'm 100% certain it will be linked to his plan to move Javadi up the chain of command, as he has already said phase two of his plan is all about.
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Old 27-11-2013, 08:24
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Brody is in Venezuela and I do not think it is realistic at all that the head of the CIA would go there in person to meet up with mobsters who I'd think in real life would probably take him hostage as well to try and get even more money.

I don't think Homeland expects the suspension of reality to be so wide that America only has one enemy in Iran either.
Unless it was all part of a pre-arranged deal. I've read it as Saul pulling the strings in the background, keeping a pawn in his wider game out of harm's way until he needs to activate him to drive phase 2 of his plan for Javadi. Brody being smuggled into Venezuela was orchestrated all along - remember that his 'captor' was expecting his arrival all along.
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Old 27-11-2013, 08:26
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How did Saul know where to find Brody? Did Carrie tell him?
Saul knew all along. I thought the final scene suggested that it had been Saul who had been pulling the strings all along, although Carrie may have been involved in the operational details of the plan.
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Old 27-11-2013, 08:29
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Has anyone worked out how El Nino knows Carrie ? [ Brody asked why are you helping ,El Nino says you know Carrie Mathison so do I ] If he knows Carrie why hasn't he contacted her? Why wait until now to cash in on the reward ?
How did Brody get shot and ended up in Caracas anyway? A far cry from Canada ?
He was being smuggled to Venezuela. He went via Canada as (a) the border isn't far from DC - much easier than trying to take him all the way south and (b) it's relatively easy to get across the border undetected.

We don't know for sure how El Nino knows Carrie, but I assume he is known to her from previous operations. It's a bit like James Bond being known by every 5-star hotel he strolls into ...
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Old 27-11-2013, 10:33
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Is it just me, but I can't stand Saul
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Old 27-11-2013, 11:02
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Is it just me, but I can't stand Saul
Yep, just you.

He's one of the most interesting characters in the show, alongside Quinn and Dara Dahl(sp?)
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Old 27-11-2013, 11:41
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Is it just me, but I can't stand Saul
I can't either, so that is two of us!
I liked him a lot in Series One, but now he looks too morally compromised to me.

Well, I gave in and started watching again and within 2 episodes I was shouting at the TV again! Oh for goodness sake, in which land, in which secret services organisation, would you ever find a screw-loose, loose cannonball like Carrie?
No wonder the CIA burned down - it deserves to if it employs idiots like Carrie.

And as for Brody, I did not miss him at all the last few episodes. Get rid of Carrie too - in a nice way, of course. Maternity leave or something.
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Old 27-11-2013, 12:19
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I can't either, so that is two of us!
I liked him a lot in Series One, but now he looks too morally compromised to me.

Well, I gave in and started watching again and within 2 episodes I was shouting at the TV again! Oh for goodness sake, in which land, in which secret services organisation, would you ever find a screw-loose, loose cannonball like Carrie?
No wonder the CIA burned down - it deserves to if it employs idiots like Carrie.

And as for Brody, I did not miss him at all the last few episodes. Get rid of Carrie too - in a nice way, of course. Maternity leave or something.
So what and who exactly would you like to see?
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Old 27-11-2013, 13:19
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Bring back Dana!

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According to sky's guide,
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Old 27-11-2013, 13:30
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So what and who exactly would you like to see?
There is really no need to be sarcastic.
I don't like Saul now, but I can see his importance in the CIA and look forward (perhaps) to seeing how the story pans out.
Whereas I find Brody and Carrie both extraneous to the story now and irritating in the extreme. They can be lost from the plot and it would still work.
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Old 27-11-2013, 14:10
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Saul knew all along. I thought the final scene suggested that it had been Saul who had been pulling the strings all along, although Carrie may have been involved in the operational details of the plan.
I got the feeling Saul may have told the Venezuelan to tell Brody that he knew Carrie. That way Brody would think he was safe.
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Old 27-11-2013, 21:02
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I liked the quote I read in the TV listings about following the 2 double acts in Homeland, Carrie & Quinn and Saul and his beard
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Old 28-11-2013, 00:07
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Is it just me, but I can't stand Saul
I can't get over his remarks about Farah wearing a headscarf. I really don't understand what the programme was doing with that scene and the fact that they haven't gone back to it at all makes me think that they expect the viewer to see it as a reasonable thing to say to someone. It ruined the character for me.
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Old 28-11-2013, 06:43
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I got the feeling Saul may have told the Venezuelan to tell Brody that he knew Carrie. That way Brody would think he was safe.
Yes, that's how I've interpreted it too. At the very least Saul was aware of what was happening with Brody, if not pulling all the strings himself.
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Old 28-11-2013, 06:47
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I can't get over his remarks about Farah wearing a headscarf. I really don't understand what the programme was doing with that scene and the fact that they haven't gone back to it at all makes me think that they expect the viewer to see it as a reasonable thing to say to someone. It ruined the character for me.
I think it was intended to show the level of Dar Adal's hatred to serve as a counterpoint to Saul. Saul is willing to set aside his prejudices to work with his enemies for the greater good. Dar Adal's feelings are much closer to the surface and more likely to influence his decision-making.
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Old 28-11-2013, 12:25
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There is really no need to be sarcastic.
I don't like Saul now, but I can see his importance in the CIA and look forward (perhaps) to seeing how the story pans out.
Whereas I find Brody and Carrie both extraneous to the story now and irritating in the extreme. They can be lost from the plot and it would still work.
Not wishing to fall out with you but the sarcastic smiley is available for use?Is was not meant to be offensive to you .
I just wondered that as you don't like Saul and think Carrie and Brody could be dispensed with, what you would like to see ?
I don't agree with you that Carrie aand Brody could be lost from the plot .
For me , personally from the very first episode Series1 it's been about them and how their lives are entangled with each other .
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Old 01-12-2013, 19:01
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Homeland has really been back on form for the past 2/3 episodes and been more enjoyable for it.

I certainly didn't expect Saul to be smacking Javadi in the face, Quinn to be shooting Carrie, Mira's secret lover to be a spy or for Saul to have known where Brody was all this time leading us to believe Saul knows exactly what he's been doing right from the very start and is the 'puppetmaster' so to speak. This has definetely been one long game indeed.

We're more than halfway into the season now and we have a pretty good idea of the stakes and the various conflicts: Saul turning Javadi into an asset, Lockhart trying to burn Saul to the ground, Quinn's desire to quit and Carrie's attempt to prove Brody's innocence things are really starting to ramp up.

So looking forward to tonight with a Brody episode.
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Old 01-12-2013, 21:18
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Saul knows exactly what he's been doing right from the very start and is the 'puppetmaster' so to speak. This has definetely been one long game indeed.

Saul turning Javadi into an asset, Lockhart trying to burn Saul to the ground, Quinn's desire to quit and Carrie's attempt to prove Brody's innocence things are really starting to ramp up.
In many ways it feels that Homeland has been setting up for its inevitable end. I don't think it realistically has much longer (2 more years maybe).
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Old 01-12-2013, 21:19
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What did Saul say they needed Brody for in 7 days?
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