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Old 08-12-2013, 22:48
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I thought the second half of that episode was very good, intense!

Something I didn't get (and I might be talking about things that I don't fully understand!) - when Brody and the other guy get caught, Brody says he is seeking asylum in Iran and the other guy says he is with al Qaeda and helped Brody get across the border. Would someone with al Qaeda really seek assistance from Iran? al Qaeda is anti-Shia and Iran has a majority Shia population and I don't think there is any history (in the real world) of an association between al Qaeda and Iran - if anything, i think they are enemies...?

Unless the other guy was running with the story that he was looking to escape from al Qaeda...? As I say, I may have totally misunderstood the scene and the real-world politics involved here, or it may not really be relevant!
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Old 08-12-2013, 22:51
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I rather liked the way the tension gradually ramped up during this episode. Brody has made it on his way to Tehran but now has no backup and no extraction plan other than what Carrie can improvise by twisting Fara's arm.

And was it just me, or did Carrie telling Quinn the baby isn't Brody's sound like a feeble lie?

Not the best episode of the series, but definitely one of the better ones.

http://slouchingtowardstv.com/2013/1...10-good-night/
He didn't believe her. One presumes he can do maths and he was their the night the barely acknowledged baby was conceived.

Really a set up for the final two episodes but I liked it.
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Old 08-12-2013, 22:59
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I thought the second half of that episode was very good, intense!

Something I didn't get (and I might be talking about things that I don't fully understand!) - when Brody and the other guy get caught, Brody says he is seeking asylum in Iran and the other guy says he is with al Qaeda and helped Brody get across the border. Would someone with al Qaeda really seek assistance from Iran? al Qaeda is anti-Shia and Iran has a majority Shia population and I don't think there is any history (in the real world) of an association between al Qaeda and Iran - if anything, i think they are enemies...?

Unless the other guy was running with the story that he was looking to escape from al Qaeda...? As I say, I may have totally misunderstood the scene and the real-world politics involved here, or it may not really be relevant!
It has been long known that Iran has an alliance with Al Qaeda (my enemy's enemy is my friend doctrine)

The U.S. for the first time formally accused Iran of forging an alliance with al Qaeda in a pact that allows the terrorist group to use Iranian soil as a transit point for moving money, arms and fighters to its bases in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...74160157070954
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Old 08-12-2013, 22:59
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A great episode, but some of the dialogue was very hard to hear. One point, when everyone in the control room was taking great care to use code names when communicating with the gang on the ground, why did Carrie then use Brodie's name several times in conversation with him? Didn't that give the game away to anyone eavesdropping on them?
Felt very sad about the guy who had his leg blown off, and even moreso with the guy who was shot at the end.
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Old 08-12-2013, 23:08
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It has been long known that Iran has an alliance with Al Qaeda (my enemy's enemy is my friend doctrine)

The U.S. for the first time formally accused Iran of forging an alliance with al Qaeda in a pact that allows the terrorist group to use Iranian soil as a transit point for moving money, arms and fighters to its bases in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...74160157070954
Ah, thanks for that, that's evidence of my lack of knowledge on the subject more than anything...

Interestingly, I just came across this:
http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-ra...-east-politics

A similar issue is raised here (although related to Season 2):
"And then there's a more substantial puzzler: why would an al-Qaida (Sunni) jihadi type be cooperating with (Shia, Iranian-backed) Hizbullah anyway? Occasional rumours and propaganda apart, there's never been any hint that Tehran has backed al-Qaida, though it did shelter some Bin Laden relatives for a while."

Anyway, great show nonetheless, I just though it was an interesting issue worth discussing.
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Old 08-12-2013, 23:16
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Ah, thanks for that, that's evidence of my lack of knowledge on the subject more than anything...

Interestingly, I just came across this:
http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-ra...-east-politics

A similar issue is raised here (although related to Season 2):
"And then there's a more substantial puzzler: why would an al-Qaida (Sunni) jihadi type be cooperating with (Shia, Iranian-backed) Hizbullah anyway? Occasional rumours and propaganda apart, there's never been any hint that Tehran has backed al-Qaida, though it did shelter some Bin Laden relatives for a while."

Anyway, great show nonetheless, I just though it was an interesting issue worth discussing.
I think the Homeland Universe is in a slightly different universe to ours.

I keep on forgetting in between season 1 and 2, Israel bombed Iran, with US support.
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Old 08-12-2013, 23:23
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I may be missing something, but why can't Javadi sort out Brody's "exit strategy"?
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Old 08-12-2013, 23:37
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Boy, this show really isn't trying any more, is it? It has officially been relegated to 'background TV' for me.
I'm just watching for ther lolz now, it's risible. Favourite bit last week was '16 days later.....' to show the smackhead who coud barely walk had suddenly turned back into an elite commando. This week's fave was Carrie watching as it all kicked off on her Big Brother style live feed from the Iran/Iraq border... 'let me speak to him' bwahahaha

I'm astonished that the writers/producers think anyone can still be buying into this shit for anything other than cheap laughs.
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Old 08-12-2013, 23:42
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I may be missing something, but why can't Javadi sort out Brody's "exit strategy"?
I like to think because Javadi will get slaughtered too… but it maybe that they do not (and they should not) trust Javadi with leaving Brody alive anyway
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Old 09-12-2013, 06:51
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I may be missing something, but why can't Javadi sort out Brody's "exit strategy"?
Ultimately, Brody is only there to kill Javadi's boss to move him up the chain of command, as per Saul's plan. For Javadi to get involved in helping Brody escape would be to risk the entire long-term strategy for the sake of saving an operative who, in the greater scheme of things, is expendable.
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Old 09-12-2013, 07:01
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I may be missing something, but why can't Javadi sort out Brody's "exit strategy"?
I'm assuming also that Javadi is in the dark about Brody's mission, as far as the world is concerned Brody is on the run and I don't see any reason why Saul etc have briefed Javadi about the plan. But Brody would be a useful propaganda tool for Iran so they'll keep him alive
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Old 09-12-2013, 08:10
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Javadi is taking Brody to his target, so I don't see that helping him get away would be much different.

I wonder how the CIA are going to get a message to Brody telling him where the safe house is?
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Old 09-12-2013, 10:07
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I rather liked the way the tension gradually ramped up during this episode. Brody has made it on his way to Tehran but now has no backup and no extraction plan other than what Carrie can improvise by twisting Fara's arm.

And was it just me, or did Carrie telling Quinn the baby isn't Brody's sound like a feeble lie?

Not the best episode of the series, but definitely one of the better ones.

http://slouchingtowardstv.com/2013/1...10-good-night/
Hi Thatch,
Didn't Carrie pick up a guy in a bar or somwhere in the first episode of this series? (ginger hair if i remember correctly) as a kind of 'back to her old ways' plot line.....given that she hadn't seen Brodie between the Canadian border and the Team America montage episode ( ) i'm not sure the timing's right for Brodie to be the father. Does anyone keep a timeline on the shows events please?
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Old 09-12-2013, 12:23
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I'm sure the baby is Brody's as she mentioned something about the father when she had the scan. I can't remember what she said but I remember that it alluded to Brody being the father.

I think Carrie just lied to Quinn as in a 'mind your own business' type of response.
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Old 09-12-2013, 12:25
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You can't believe anything she says to anyone about her personal live.
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Old 09-12-2013, 12:36
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What I don't understand is how Carrie can work with Quinn and be totally blind to how gorgeous he is!
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Old 09-12-2013, 12:37
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He is not a ginge?
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Old 09-12-2013, 12:48
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I like to think because Javadi will get slaughtered too… but it maybe that they do not (and they should not) trust Javadi with leaving Brody alive anyway
Saul has a bigger part in all this, something is nagging away at the back of my head about him....but, I think, Saul is banking on Javadi making sure that Brody doesn't survive...

It's unlikely Javadi knows the overall plan (plant Brody, kill Javadi boss, make Javadi highly placed), he may guess, but in any event, what better way for him to cement his plave at the top table of Iranian government than by catching, "interrogating" and then executing the man who assassinated his boss....whilst also removing the one loose end to Saul's masterplan (two if you count Carrie, who he's likely planning on having go to Tehran to rescue Brodie/also get caught/killed)
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Old 09-12-2013, 13:03
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I'm sure the baby is Brody's as she mentioned something about the father when she had the scan. I can't remember what she said but I remember that it alluded to Brody being the father.

I think Carrie just lied to Quinn as in a 'mind your own business' type of response.
it was a long time ago and it took some finding, but Thatch's blog on Metro does contain the following vignette (hehe)

"Carrie has stopped taking the medication for her bipolar disorder, instead relying on exercise, meditation and tequila. Already under stress from perjuring herself, she sleeps with a random guy she meets at the liquor store."

(it took so long to find i was starting to think i'd imagined the scene....not a good feeling haha, anyway thanks SlouchingThatch!!)

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Old 09-12-2013, 13:41
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Hi Thatch,
Didn't Carrie pick up a guy in a bar or somwhere in the first episode of this series? (ginger hair if i remember correctly) as a kind of 'back to her old ways' plot line.....given that she hadn't seen Brodie between the Canadian border and the Team America montage episode ( ) i'm not sure the timing's right for Brodie to be the father. Does anyone keep a timeline on the shows events please?
In the opening episode when we see Carrie testifying in front of Lockhart at the hearing, he states that the bombing took place 58 days ago. Her random pick-up takes place later in the episode.

The timeline since then has occasionally been mentioned, with Lockhart's progression towards taking over at the CIA the main reference. With that in mind, her 15-week pregnancy is consistent with the requisite dirty deed being done before the Langley bombing, not two months afterwards. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm not.)

That's not to say the father isn't definitely Brody - although given that we've been presented with no alternative in that timeline in any episode, I have to believe that he is - but it does seem to rule out whatever-random-bloke's-name-was.

I really should have kept an episode by episode timeline. My head would hurt a lot less if I had ...
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Old 09-12-2013, 15:28
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What I don't understand is how Carrie can work with Quinn and be totally blind to how gorgeous he is!
Well she didn't like him when they first met, the resultant friendship is all because of his efforts (ironically) and it is Carrie... she doesn't really seem to have a normal view of men.

In the opening episode when we see Carrie testifying in front of Lockhart at the hearing, he states that the bombing took place 58 days ago. Her random pick-up takes place later in the episode.

The timeline since then has occasionally been mentioned, with Lockhart's progression towards taking over at the CIA the main reference. With that in mind, her 15-week pregnancy is consistent with the requisite dirty deed being done before the Langley bombing, not two months afterwards. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm not.)

That's not to say the father isn't definitely Brody - although given that we've been presented with no alternative in that timeline in any episode, I have to believe that he is - but it does seem to rule out whatever-random-bloke's-name-was.

I really should have kept an episode by episode timeline. My head would hurt a lot less if I had ...
When Carrie was talking to the Doctor she indicated very strongly that the baby was Brody's.

Carrie is going to give Quinn a heart attack if/when they end up together. He is already dumbfounded by her reckless/extreme behaviour. The face last night. It is going to be a continuing point of contention I think going forward especially if they are going to work together more. She needs someone to tell her to sit down and stop though. Loved Saul's bit it hard.
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Old 12-12-2013, 13:51
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When Carrie was talking to the Doctor she indicated very strongly that the baby was Brody's.
Definitely hinted strongly, although she didn't name him as such. I'm also taking Carrie's denial to Quinn that Brody isn't the father with a VERY large pinch of salt ...
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Old 12-12-2013, 13:55
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Don't know if anyone's noticed - who am I kidding? Of course you have! - but today is the notional one-year anniversary of the Langley bombing.

Never one to pass up a tenuous link, I've posted a few thoughts about (a) whether Brody will survive his current mission and (b) whether he *should* survive.

http://slouchingtowardstv.com/2013/1...and-should-he/

Be interested to know everyone's thoughts. Note that this is spoiler-free for those watching at UK pace - I have only referenced events as far as last Sunday's UK episode 10.
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Old 15-12-2013, 18:35
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Looking forward to tonight's episode; it should be another good one. I really enjoyed last week's show when Carrie etc were all in the control room watching the mission - the pace, tension and shocks were all deftly deployed.

I just hope they don't bump off a main character finally; too late for that wish now I know.

Tonight will be the final in the US of course and the trick will be managing to avoid stumbling across spoilers in the media one way or another. I fear it'll be a challenge - beware around Twitter in particular - think I'll 'unfollow' Homeland US for a week.
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Old 15-12-2013, 18:40
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Penultimate episode tonight.

I thought last week's episode was strong and the ending with Javadi was a cracker, he truly is a mean SOB. Like others i liked the tension of the last episode which was building up gradually becoming very very intense. I honestly don't know what they're going to do with these last 2 episodes but i hope they hit the landing.

The season 3 finale of Homeland arrives tonight in the States, so if watching at US Pace please check you're posting in the correct thread and not in here!
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