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Old 16-12-2013, 07:30
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I went into the US pace thread by mistake ... aaaaaargh!
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Old 16-12-2013, 08:06
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I went into the US pace thread by mistake ... aaaaaargh!
I've just done exactly the same! Thank goodness I didn't see any spoilers - did you?
Tsk.
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Old 16-12-2013, 08:46
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I've just done exactly the same! Thank goodness I didn't see any spoilers - did you?
Tsk.
Afraid so but shan't tell!
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Old 16-12-2013, 10:14
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The only thing that spoilt last night's episode for us was the continuity gaffe when Brody was smothering the man (can't recall his name.) As the guy finally stops breathing his arms fall to the floor, you clearly see and hear this. Then when it picks up again he is dead with his arms raised at body level as Brody is straddled across him. Most annoying but otherwise great episode.
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Old 16-12-2013, 10:18
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i must admit that i was slightly disappointed with one aspect of last night's episode....i'd expect two people talking English and arguing on mobile phones in the middle of a busy square outside a mosque in the centre of Tehran, one of whom is currently every Iranian's newest bezzie mate.....might've raised some suspicion BUT NO everybody walked by like they were both wearing invisibility suits.....apart from that great episode
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Old 16-12-2013, 10:42
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Really enjoyed last night's episode - lots of tension, some ambiguity about Brody's loyalty, Carrie being the usual 'loose cannon' and no Brody Bunch!

Rather convenient that Brody knew Carrie's phone number (presumably she put her special CIA SIM into the phone delivered to Tehran). Also, very risky to call from Akbari's office but I suppose there was no other option with the guards standing outside the door! I'm interested to know how he's going to get out of this situation. I guess he has to hope the guards will leave him and Akbari alone until Carrie can arrange a diversion outside to distract them.

I'm surprised they don't have Quinn there to help, given his 'black ops' training. He just seems to be hanging around in the incident room these days.
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Old 16-12-2013, 10:49
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I'm surprised they don't have Quinn there to help, given his 'black ops' training. He just seems to be hanging around in the incident room these days.
He'd be too conspicuous, I guess - hence Mossad's agents on the ground being Iranian nationals. Carrie being there is tricky enough.
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Old 16-12-2013, 12:14
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Can someone explain something to me?

When Javadi was in the US, he said Brody was innocent and not involved in Langley.

So when Brody turns up at the Iranian border, surely they know he is lying and innocent and not involved at all? If Javadi knows that then surely his boss knows that as well?

But if in fact Brody DID get involved in the bombing, why did he switch sides again?
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Old 16-12-2013, 12:37
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Can someone explain something to me?

When Javadi was in the US, he said Brody was innocent and not involved in Langley.

So when Brody turns up at the Iranian border, surely they know he is lying and innocent and not involved at all? If Javadi knows that then surely his boss knows that as well?

But if in fact Brody DID get involved in the bombing, why did he switch sides again?

Other people have been trying to figure this complex web out. Abu Nazir was a Palestinian and the plan to bomb Langley was his plan. After that they said that Javadi had something to do with it. It is possible that his boss just let him get on with it. As we have seen with Saul and Dar Adal and his Black Ops. They seem to be able to do what they like.

I think we can take it that Brody was set up and innocent of the bombing. When he went to Iran he was working for the CIA and was following the plan to get to Javadi's boss. The trouble with weaving a complex web is they may be skewing the plot to fit the new narrative.
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Old 16-12-2013, 14:06
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One day Brody will remember he has a son as well!
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Old 16-12-2013, 15:20
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Other people have been trying to figure this complex web out. Abu Nazir was a Palestinian and the plan to bomb Langley was his plan. After that they said that Javadi had something to do with it. It is possible that his boss just let him get on with it. As we have seen with Saul and Dar Adal and his Black Ops. They seem to be able to do what they like.

I think we can take it that Brody was set up and innocent of the bombing. When he went to Iran he was working for the CIA and was following the plan to get to Javadi's boss. The trouble with weaving a complex web is they may be skewing the plot to fit the new narrative.
But if Brody was set up, surely Javadi's boss would know about that...
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Old 16-12-2013, 17:01
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But if Brody was set up, surely Javadi's boss would know about that...
The Langley bomb was Nazir's plan with the Iranians from the start. Nazir used Brody to kill the VP so that there would be a mass gathering of intelligence officials, which would otherwise have been very unusual. Even when Nazir died, he knew he had done his part and the bombing would be able to happen even without him.

Javaidi/Akbari knew Brody wasn't directly responsible for the bomb hence Akbaris suspicion when Brody arrived in Tehran. At that point he had Javaidi vouching for Brody (otherwise Brody would have been killed at the Border or in the interrogation room). He used Nazirs widow to try to suss Brody out and Brody passed this test too. No doubt they also saw the video of Brody taking responsibility for the bomb. Irrespective of who the Langley bomber was, the US public thought it was Brody hence Brody was a propaganda coup who they wheeled out for the cameras in no time.

Any "enemy" of the US would be a "Big man in Tehran" especially give the fact he is Muslim and known pals with Abu Nazir, a known pal of Akbari.

That's how I saw it anyway
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Old 16-12-2013, 17:43
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Seriously, why let Carrie go out there, when you know she's going to disobey you and do the exact opposite of what you ask? In fact, why not just ask her to do the direct opposite, knowing she'll immediately disobey you and then do what you wanted her to do in the first place Someone elsewhere wrote that she has to be carrying the most stressed out fetus in history which made me laugh.
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Old 16-12-2013, 19:25
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Yeah but she is Frenchwoman this time...


And I been wonder about Iran men don't wear ties as I google, good information;

Neckties - and bowties - were said to be decadent, un-Islamic and viewed as "symbols of the Cross" and the oppressive West.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6528881.stm
Is it a legal requirement for women to wear headscarves in Iran?
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Old 16-12-2013, 19:28
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How the hell does Brody expect Carrie to rescue him from this utter mess? He must think she's Super-Woman....!

I think that was lazy of the writers/directors/producers to not explain how Brody was offered a way out of Iran which he apparently refused.
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Old 16-12-2013, 19:32
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Seriously, why let Carrie go out there, when you know she's going to disobey you and do the exact opposite of what you ask? In fact, why not just ask her to do the direct opposite, knowing she'll immediately disobey you and then do what you wanted her to do in the first place Someone elsewhere wrote that she has to be carrying the most stressed out fetus in history which made me laugh.
I know it's not real but I do not find it funny, that baby is doomed before its even born, I hope she has a miscarriage; there's a very good reason why expectant mothers are warned to eat a healthy diet, avoid stress, not take medication unless strictly necessary, not drink alcohol or do drugs or smoke etc....
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Old 16-12-2013, 20:18
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I think that was lazy of the writers/directors/producers to not explain how Brody was offered a way out of Iran which he apparently refused.
I thought that a bit strange too. Perhaps the scene (where he was offered the option) was cut from the final edit due to time constraints.
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Old 16-12-2013, 21:56
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I know it's not real but I do not find it funny, that baby is doomed before its even born, I hope she has a miscarriage; there's a very good reason why expectant mothers are warned to eat a healthy diet, avoid stress, not take medication unless strictly necessary, not drink alcohol or do drugs or smoke etc....
Like you said, it's not real, it's just a TV programme. It's not a real baby and Carrie is not a real person.
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Old 17-12-2013, 10:57
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I'm enjoying this series now & finding it quite compelling but do struggle with a few details.

The point about Brody not being the Langley Bomber & the Iranians knowing this is the biggest one, Javadi clearly knows but his superior deosn't seem to? I don't get that at all, maybe there are factions within factions but it hasn't been explained.

And Brody being able to phone Carrie from the office after the murder was ridiculous. As others have said, what does he expect her to do at that notice? He's damned lucky she didn't obey Saul & wasn't enjoying the in-flight movie when he called.

And ANOTHER thing; love the fact that the CIA think she will blend in by dying her hair slightly & popping on a headscarf.

Why is Brody so obsessed with Dana & not the rest of his family. That poor son, don't know why the scriptwriters even put him in.

I'm excited for the finale but hope it doesn't get too mawkish over the "but I'm carrying your child" reveal...
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Old 17-12-2013, 13:27
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Seriously, why let Carrie go out there, when you know she's going to disobey you and do the exact opposite of what you ask?
I know. I can't understand why they let her go, or at least sent someone to keep an eye on her. It was so obvious she was going to warn Brodie about the hit men.

I think Brodie was actually going to defect and spill the beans, right up until the point he found out all his troubles stemmed from that room and that guy. Then he just snapped and brained the bloke with the ash tray with no thought of how to get out of there. Hence the call to Carrie.
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Old 17-12-2013, 13:35
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can I just clarify something - who has Brody killed ? is he the top terrorist or who ?

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Old 17-12-2013, 13:41
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can I just clarify something - who has Brody killed ? is he the top terrorist or who ?

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Akbari was the head of the Iran's revolutionary guard who conspired with Abu Nazir to get Brody to do their dirty work on America, so yes he was a terrorist.
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Old 17-12-2013, 17:11
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The point about Brody not being the Langley Bomber & the Iranians knowing this is the biggest one, Javadi clearly knows but his superior deosn't seem to? I don't get that at all, maybe there are factions within factions but it hasn't been explained.
It's been alluded to - all the way back in the opening episode. Javadi was identified by Saul as the lynchpin behind the bombing, and the operation the CIA carried out was to take out six of his lieutenants who were involved.

I may be missing something here - someone please correct me if I'm wrong! - but there's no reason for Akbari to have known about the details or even have commissioned the bombing. Isn't the IRGC's remit domestic rather than international? Therefore Javadi's actions were either unofficial and off-book or just him acting on his own using his own network of operatives to avenge Nazir's death. It would be a bit like expecting the head of the FBI to know all about the CIA's overseas ops.
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Old 17-12-2013, 18:04
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I went into the US pace thread by mistake ... aaaaaargh!
People wanting to avoid spoilers should avoid all American news and entertainment sites until Sunday night.
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Old 17-12-2013, 18:11
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People wanting to avoid spoilers should avoid all American news and entertainment sites until Sunday night.
I went into Wiki to trace something from an early episode . Someone's posted the finale !!! I read it before I knew where I was up to
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