Brody's death scene actually reminded me somewhat of Ned Stark's death scene in Season 1 of Game of Thrones. Not an ounce of the same emotional impact of course, but it just rang similar for some reason.
Homeland on Ch4 (UK Pace) - No Spoilers! (Part 2)
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I'm still in shock that they killed off Brody. Surely that has to be suicide for the show. I'm not sure if I'll continue to tune in next season. If I do, it won't be with the same enthusiasm, that's for sure.
Originally Posted by Barrie Williams:
“You never know what will happen, but what would be nice to see, is for Carrie to have the baby, and then decide after that, to go public on the whole Brody thing, making it better for both her, her baby, and of course his family, get him genuine redemption as it were, and get him official recognition for what he did. He was after all 'turned' while he was a U.S marine held captive.
Call me an old soppy socks, but i would love to see that, and I for one, was hugely moved by that closing episode and i think that anyone that wasn't is just a bit lacking in emotional spirit to be honest. ”
“You never know what will happen, but what would be nice to see, is for Carrie to have the baby, and then decide after that, to go public on the whole Brody thing, making it better for both her, her baby, and of course his family, get him genuine redemption as it were, and get him official recognition for what he did. He was after all 'turned' while he was a U.S marine held captive.
Call me an old soppy socks, but i would love to see that, and I for one, was hugely moved by that closing episode and i think that anyone that wasn't is just a bit lacking in emotional spirit to be honest. ”
And would she include the bit about him killing the US Vice President to save her? I don't think the American public would be too sympathetic to him (or to her) when they knew that.
Originally Posted by SherbetLemon:
“I'm still in shock that they killed off Brody. Surely that has to be suicide for the show. I'm not sure if I'll continue to tune in next season. If I do, it won't be with the same enthusiasm, that's for sure.”
“I'm still in shock that they killed off Brody. Surely that has to be suicide for the show. I'm not sure if I'll continue to tune in next season. If I do, it won't be with the same enthusiasm, that's for sure.”
I'd rather they didn't come up with some implausible ploy to get him out of Tehran and killed him off, in Sons of Anarchy you would have had the IRA bombing all the streets and then the bikers rolling into town to save the day. Thankfully the writers had more sense than that, even if they hurt themselves for Season 4.
I watched last night as I was getting bored with the series.
The Iranian's were good. Twice there able to capture a trained Marine and pop in the dark without making a noise.
The mobile phones the CIA provided Carrie must be good as they work in the middle of the Persian desert
I'll have to get me one in case I managed to get trapped one day.
Still no sign of the mole being discovered or maybe the writers just couldn't resolve it so thought the viewers might forget if the didn't mention it.
The good thing about Brody being killed is hopefully we will not see his pointless family anymore.
I guess season 4 will probably be the South Koreans as their next for the baddie treatment.
The Iranian's were good. Twice there able to capture a trained Marine and pop in the dark without making a noise.
The mobile phones the CIA provided Carrie must be good as they work in the middle of the Persian desert
I'll have to get me one in case I managed to get trapped one day.Still no sign of the mole being discovered or maybe the writers just couldn't resolve it so thought the viewers might forget if the didn't mention it.
The good thing about Brody being killed is hopefully we will not see his pointless family anymore.
I guess season 4 will probably be the South Koreans as their next for the baddie treatment.
Originally Posted by jediknight2k1:
“I watched last night as I was getting bored with the series.
The Iranian's were good. Twice there able to capture a trained Marine and pop in the dark without making a noise.
The mobile phones the CIA provided Carrie must be good as they work in the middle of the Persian desert I'll have to get me one in case I managed to get trapped one day.
Still no sign of the mole being discovered or maybe the writers just couldn't resolve it so thought the viewers might forget if the didn't mention it.
The good thing about Brody being killed is hopefully we will not see his pointless family anymore.
I guess season 4 will probably be the South Koreans as their next for the baddie treatment.”
“I watched last night as I was getting bored with the series.
The Iranian's were good. Twice there able to capture a trained Marine and pop in the dark without making a noise.
The mobile phones the CIA provided Carrie must be good as they work in the middle of the Persian desert
I'll have to get me one in case I managed to get trapped one day.Still no sign of the mole being discovered or maybe the writers just couldn't resolve it so thought the viewers might forget if the didn't mention it.
The good thing about Brody being killed is hopefully we will not see his pointless family anymore.
I guess season 4 will probably be the South Koreans as their next for the baddie treatment.”
North Koreans surely?
Originally Posted by jediknight2k1:
“The mobile phones the CIA provided Carrie must be good as they work in the middle of the Persian desert”
“The mobile phones the CIA provided Carrie must be good as they work in the middle of the Persian desert
”
Satellite phone, surely?
He's not dead, Season 4 will start with Carrie having a dream and Brody will step out the shower.
I hope Quinn takes the lead if they are going to continue.
I hope Quinn takes the lead if they are going to continue.
Originally Posted by jediknight2k1:
“Still no sign of the mole being discovered or maybe the writers just couldn't resolve it so thought the viewers might forget if the didn't mention it.
The good thing about Brody being killed is hopefully we will not see his pointless family anymore.
I guess season 4 will probably be the South Koreans as their next for the baddie treatment.”
“Still no sign of the mole being discovered or maybe the writers just couldn't resolve it so thought the viewers might forget if the didn't mention it.
The good thing about Brody being killed is hopefully we will not see his pointless family anymore.
I guess season 4 will probably be the South Koreans as their next for the baddie treatment.”
How could Brody's family have been pointless? He had a family and in s1 and 2 he had to act normally and try to keep his secrets from them leading to the eventual breakdown. That was the point.
As for the mole, it's a guessing game but seems possible it was David Estes, due to his determination to kill Brody after he had been revealed as a spy for Abu Nasir, and Estes's frequent obstruction of both Carrie's and Saul's investigations.
Saul will definitely be back . More on Brody's family ..... possibly appearing in Season4 ......here and why they will not, could not be told how he died
.http://tvline.com/2013/12/16/homelan...son-3-finale/#
.http://tvline.com/2013/12/16/homelan...son-3-finale/#
Originally Posted by SherbetLemon:
“I'm still in shock that they killed off Brody. Surely that has to be suicide for the show. I'm not sure if I'll continue to tune in next season. If I do, it won't be with the same enthusiasm, that's for sure.”
“I'm still in shock that they killed off Brody. Surely that has to be suicide for the show. I'm not sure if I'll continue to tune in next season. If I do, it won't be with the same enthusiasm, that's for sure.”
I agree the Brody character was Homeland but also tough to see what else they could do with him. I was kind of hoping though if they did away with a main character it would be Carrie (great actress don't get me wrong but she is a little too intense and kind of wish it wasn't always about her mood swings and got back to a gritty storyline instead)
Originally Posted by junipaire:
“I agree the Brody character was Homeland but also tough to see what else they could do with him. I was kind of hoping though if they did away with a main character it would be Carrie (great actress don't get me wrong but she is a little too intense and kind of wish it wasn't always about her mood swings and got back to a gritty storyline instead)”
“I agree the Brody character was Homeland but also tough to see what else they could do with him. I was kind of hoping though if they did away with a main character it would be Carrie (great actress don't get me wrong but she is a little too intense and kind of wish it wasn't always about her mood swings and got back to a gritty storyline instead)”
If you notice the credits you will see Clare Danes is cited as executive producer. As such this is a bit of a private indulgence in my view as she will always be front and centre. Even if they finally use Peter Quinn more I don't think the actor has the charisma and presence that Damian showed. I didn't like him in Season 1 but his acting and emotion really endeared Brody to me. As a character I don't like Carrie: there is something very unattractive about her.
Originally Posted by SherbetLemon:
“I'm still in shock that they killed off Brody. Surely that has to be suicide for the show. I'm not sure if I'll continue to tune in next season. If I do, it won't be with the same enthusiasm, that's for sure.”
“I'm still in shock that they killed off Brody. Surely that has to be suicide for the show. I'm not sure if I'll continue to tune in next season. If I do, it won't be with the same enthusiasm, that's for sure.”
Totally agree Brody was the only reason I tuned in. The show is weak without him. His acting was superb, you could love him then hate him in the same episode.
Originally Posted by Peter_CJ:
“Have you read that somewhere?”
“Have you read that somewhere?”
http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/12/16/ho...ody-interview/
Originally Posted by FrankBT:
“Ah! Have you been watching The Wire? It's possible I suppose but you'd have to be pretty determined to succeed by that method. You may well end up pulling off the door handle depending how well it's fixed.
I don't know about that. It was made fairly clear that he had retired, moved to NY and was out of the CIA for good.”
“Ah! Have you been watching The Wire? It's possible I suppose but you'd have to be pretty determined to succeed by that method. You may well end up pulling off the door handle depending how well it's fixed.
I don't know about that. It was made fairly clear that he had retired, moved to NY and was out of the CIA for good.”
It was also made fairly clear in his chat with Dar Adal back in Washington that he missed the CIA and thet Adal could make the necessary moves to start opening some doors again.
Showrunner Alex Gansa sheds some light as to what this might mean here ... http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/12/16/ho...ody-interview/
Originally Posted by margarite6666:
“If you notice the credits you will see Clare Danes is cited as executive producer. As such this is a bit of a private indulgence in my view as she will always be front and centre. Even if they finally use Peter Quinn more I don't think the actor has the charisma and presence that Damian showed. I didn't like him in Season 1 but his acting and emotion really endeared Brody to me. As a character I don't like Carrie: there is something very unattractive about her.”
“If you notice the credits you will see Clare Danes is cited as executive producer. As such this is a bit of a private indulgence in my view as she will always be front and centre. Even if they finally use Peter Quinn more I don't think the actor has the charisma and presence that Damian showed. I didn't like him in Season 1 but his acting and emotion really endeared Brody to me. As a character I don't like Carrie: there is something very unattractive about her.”
Oh right yeah thanks for that info, it does make a lot of sense then why she is featured so much. Yeah , I prefer it if she took a back seat in the next series if they do one. Doubt she will though if she is executive producer though as you say. I'll maybe see about giving it a miss if its all about her and her baby, not really why I watch it. Brody was the main reason I kept with it and I really liked Sol but can't quite believe Carrie's character for some reason would be that high up in the CIA, I think they should of made her a bit more level headed.
Originally Posted by margarite6666:
“If you notice the credits you will see Clare Danes is cited as executive producer. As such this is a bit of a private indulgence in my view as she will always be front and centre. Even if they finally use Peter Quinn more I don't think the actor has the charisma and presence that Damian showed. I didn't like him in Season 1 but his acting and emotion really endeared Brody to me. As a character I don't like Carrie: there is something very unattractive about her.”
“If you notice the credits you will see Clare Danes is cited as executive producer. As such this is a bit of a private indulgence in my view as she will always be front and centre. Even if they finally use Peter Quinn more I don't think the actor has the charisma and presence that Damian showed. I didn't like him in Season 1 but his acting and emotion really endeared Brody to me. As a character I don't like Carrie: there is something very unattractive about her.”
Not quite. Danes is listed as a producer rather than an executive producer, and has been so only since the start of this third season. It's not that uncommon for a show's star/co-star to also have a producer credit - maybe someone can explain why? - so I very much doubt she has any real influence over the overall storyline. That's down to the showrunners. (Also, not all exec producers have that much day-to-day input into scripts or overall direction - just see how many shows Spielberg has exec produced in recent years, and he's been directly involved in hardly any of them.)
Got to be honest, the show has run its course. The nonsense of the love affair between Brody and Carrie, particularly in season 2, was poor and unnecessary and has sent the show down the wrong direction.
If the CIA is being portrayed in a close to reality manner, my word!
It's a drama yes, but the portrayals of characters and storylines are too much and far fetched. Carrie may invoke reaction, but it is becoming laughable. To kill off the main character was foolish, but again he had nowhere to go. Saul is interesting, but the nonsense of his love life is not necessary as a main additional character and was mainly to bring in espionage by the wife's lover!
The first season was gripping and created talking points, but since then, we are left with cynicism and criticism.
If the CIA is being portrayed in a close to reality manner, my word!
It's a drama yes, but the portrayals of characters and storylines are too much and far fetched. Carrie may invoke reaction, but it is becoming laughable. To kill off the main character was foolish, but again he had nowhere to go. Saul is interesting, but the nonsense of his love life is not necessary as a main additional character and was mainly to bring in espionage by the wife's lover!
The first season was gripping and created talking points, but since then, we are left with cynicism and criticism.
I found season 3 nowhere near as gripping and entertaining as the first two and even quite dull through alot of the episodes, for me the third series proved that it was always Damien Lewis as Brody who made this show so great, his constant absences throughout the series were what made it so inferior to the previous seasons, its no coincidence that the quality of episodes in season 3 improved greatly when Brody featured.
Killing Brody off was a shocking conclusion and its already been suggested that he may not have died as the point of death was never actually seen, but that has to be very unlikely. Not sure what the situation is with Lewis, hes landed a few Hollywood film roles so maybe he quit Homeland to focus on his movie career or maybe it was the writers decision thinking the character had run its course? It could be a mixture of all these reasons and more.
The Brody character really had nowhere else to go, disgraced in his own country and disowned by his family, there was no realistic way he could go back to normality, even if he'd been pardoned of his crimes as reward for cooperating with the CIA he surely would have had to be exiled and put under a new identity so killing him off does seem the logical course.
With the dip in quality in season 3 perhaps in the fourth season a complete revamp is planned with brand new main cast members introduced, this may be the smart route to go as there is little mileage left in the stories for Carrie and co.
Killing Brody off was a shocking conclusion and its already been suggested that he may not have died as the point of death was never actually seen, but that has to be very unlikely. Not sure what the situation is with Lewis, hes landed a few Hollywood film roles so maybe he quit Homeland to focus on his movie career or maybe it was the writers decision thinking the character had run its course? It could be a mixture of all these reasons and more.
The Brody character really had nowhere else to go, disgraced in his own country and disowned by his family, there was no realistic way he could go back to normality, even if he'd been pardoned of his crimes as reward for cooperating with the CIA he surely would have had to be exiled and put under a new identity so killing him off does seem the logical course.
With the dip in quality in season 3 perhaps in the fourth season a complete revamp is planned with brand new main cast members introduced, this may be the smart route to go as there is little mileage left in the stories for Carrie and co.
I said a few weeks back about this season that it's not how you start but it's how you finish and i thought the last episode of the season finished rather strongly. In fact, if Homeland was just a 3-season show then the finale could have served as a series finale too in the grand scheme of things. It wasn't perfect - why no reaction to Brody's death from his family? Carrie promoted - seriously? Brody's death was horrific, i didn't expect him to go out like that but you knew it was coming. In an earlier scene with Carrie driving Brody in her car across the desert to the safehouse you saw him looking out and you could tell he was calm and peaceful and right there and then you knew that he knew that he wasn't going to live and he was ok with that. That was probably one of my favourite scenes along with the ending with Carrie drawing the star on the wall and the camera panning in for the close-up. You felt a loss. I certainly did anyway.
Season 3 wasn't nearly as good as Seasons 1&2. The best eps of Homeland were the ones that featured Brody and it did pick up in the 2nd half but it wasn't back on form. Looking back now with hindsight the Brody storyline should have ended last season and Season 3 should have been a reboot for the whole show, now it's Season 4 which will do that job with no more Brody. Hopefully they can hire some new (or better) writers and create a storyline to get the show back on top again.
Overall this was really Saul's season who was pretty much front and centre along with Carrie and hope to see more of him next season even if he is living in NYC, and hopefully more Quinn too if he comes back. Finally credit to Damian Lewis who did a great job once again even when he featured so little.
Season 3 wasn't nearly as good as Seasons 1&2. The best eps of Homeland were the ones that featured Brody and it did pick up in the 2nd half but it wasn't back on form. Looking back now with hindsight the Brody storyline should have ended last season and Season 3 should have been a reboot for the whole show, now it's Season 4 which will do that job with no more Brody. Hopefully they can hire some new (or better) writers and create a storyline to get the show back on top again.
Overall this was really Saul's season who was pretty much front and centre along with Carrie and hope to see more of him next season even if he is living in NYC, and hopefully more Quinn too if he comes back. Finally credit to Damian Lewis who did a great job once again even when he featured so little.
The return on Homeland - Season 4 teaser trailer.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/ustv/s18...oKp7Vndk1Z5rVl
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/ustv/s18...oKp7Vndk1Z5rVl
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