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Homeland on Ch4 (UK Pace) - No Spoilers! (Part 2)
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Styker
17-11-2014
That A hole Uncle was forced to meet up with his nephew was he? If he knew that there would be a drone following him why on earth did he go to meet Ayan. What a scumbag that uncle is.

Carrie is completely off her head. She can't see the flaws in her stances at all.
Styker
17-11-2014
Originally Posted by petestan:
“I can't believe you guys loved tonight's episode, yes I and probably everyone knew what was going to happen to the kid and the preview from last week made it pretty obvious Saul was going to be there. But he's an "ex" CIA director currently employed by the private sector so it was much more important to kill the 4th most wanted man in the world especially seeing as they know he is about to do something.
Saul's death would just have been "collateral damage" and seeing as there were only 3 cars and they should have had a pretty clear view of which one the bad guy got into how the heck did they not know which one to follow whilst leaving. While I do like this show it totally loses the plot sometimes.”

I don't agree with that at all. With all those satelites they have beaming over, though I suspect its not quite like that in real life, but if it is, they should have been able to follow both cars.

Even if they had taken that A hole uncle out, he and other "leaders" are replaceable. Its better to follow the scumbags and take them out when you can get them without collateral damage and I'm sure that there are plenty of chances to do that.
Minor Maggie
17-11-2014
Originally Posted by Jenny_Sawyer:
“Oh no - poor Aiyam. To be honest as soon as the uncle kissed him & thanked him for saving his life, I pretty much knew the next thing he'd do was shoot him - kind of like the Mafia; he was so sweet, Carrie will feel terrible for 24 hours & then will be fine I'm guessing.

For a while I'd been wondering where this season was filmed, then when the credits went past at the end I paused on the bit where it tells us it's filmed in South Africa - that really surprised me; I knew it wouldn't have actually been filmed in Pakistan/Afghanistan as it's far too dangerous & also highly unlikely a US company would get permission, but I thought it was filmed somewhere a lot nearer to where it's set.”

The fact that it was filmed in SA didn't surprise me as Our Girl was filmed there too and the scenery is very similar.
_SpeedRacer_
18-11-2014
Originally Posted by Styker:
“That A hole Uncle was forced to meet up with his nephew was he? If he knew that there would be a drone following him why on earth did he go to meet Ayan. What a scumbag that uncle is.

Carrie is completely off her head. She can't see the flaws in her stances at all.”

He seemed like he had no regard at all for his nephew. If he was smart enough to know there was a drone, he should've been smart enough to know that his nephew was used by the US special forces. I find it a bit unrealistic that they would kill one of their own family to "hurt" the US?
Mitu_Pappi
18-11-2014
Originally Posted by _SpeedRacer_:
“He seemed like he had no regard at all for his nephew. If he was smart enough to know there was a drone, he should've been smart enough to know that his nephew was used by the US special forces. I find it a bit unrealistic that they would kill one of their own family to "hurt" the US? ”

The uncle did not know if the boy had been turned. So elimination was the right option in their world. Besides there was so much more information that the boy would have given out if he was allowed to be alive.

Plus its all about punishment. His guards know now what will happen to them if they get out of line. Simple really.

Homeland is not afraid to get rid of characters brutally. Remember the CIA blast in series 2 that wiped out some great actors? Aayan had been built up nicely. He was a charismatic actor and good for the show. Taking him out was a great piece of writing.
Styker
20-11-2014
Originally Posted by Mitu_Pappi:
“The uncle did not know if the boy had been turned. So elimination was the right option in their world. Besides there was so much more information that the boy would have given out if he was allowed to be alive.

Plus its all about punishment. His guards know now what will happen to them if they get out of line. Simple really.

Homeland is not afraid to get rid of characters brutally. Remember the CIA blast in series 2 that wiped out some great actors? Aayan had been built up nicely. He was a charismatic actor and good for the show. Taking him out was a great piece of writing.”


He did seem to know as he mentioned "your friend", meaning Carrie right? I took it that Aayan's friend from uni blabbed to her dad that Aayan was leaving and that dad messed things up for Aayan again unless the Uncle had Aayan under watch the whole time or was fed information about Aayan.

Poor Aayan, with friends like his, he really didn't need any enemies.
catsitter
20-11-2014
Originally Posted by Styker:
“He did seem to know as he mentioned "your friend", meaning Carrie right? I took it that Aayan's friend from uni blabbed to her dad that Aayan was leaving and that dad messed things up for Aayan again unless the Uncle had Aayan under watch the whole time or was fed information about Aayan.

Poor Aayan, with friends like his, he really didn't need any enemies.”

I thought the uncle found out because the ambassador's husband found the photos in the "safe house" while Fara was upstairs, and passed them on to that ISI woman who is in league with the uncle's lot? But I'm not sure what the point was of the girlfriend finding out too if that's the case.
Trudi Monk
20-11-2014
Originally Posted by catsitter:
“I thought the uncle found out because the ambassador's husband found the photos in the "safe house" while Fara was upstairs, and passed them on to that ISI woman who is in league with the uncle's lot? But I'm not sure what the point was of the girlfriend finding out too if that's the case.”

BiB that's what I thought too. I also thought that they might have tortured Saul as well.
Styker
21-11-2014
Originally Posted by catsitter:
“I thought the uncle found out because the ambassador's husband found the photos in the "safe house" while Fara was upstairs, and passed them on to that ISI woman who is in league with the uncle's lot? But I'm not sure what the point was of the girlfriend finding out too if that's the case.”

That might have been it too, I wasn't sure what that Ambassador's husband was doing for the ISI. I thought he was generally fishing just to get them off his back. It could have been a bit of both that landed Aayan his fate.
petestan
22-11-2014
Originally Posted by Styker:
“I don't agree with that at all. With all those satelites they have beaming over, though I suspect its not quite like that in real life, but if it is, they should have been able to follow both cars.

Even if they had taken that A hole uncle out, he and other "leaders" are replaceable. Its better to follow the scumbags and take them out when you can get them without collateral damage and I'm sure that there are plenty of chances to do that.”

But if Saul hadn't been there they would have taken him and the other leaders out, it's only because he was there they didn't. They were pretty useless at playing "follow the leader" also and given the fact they know he is planning on doing something surely it would have been better to take them out and Saul.
Not that the Producers could have killed him off so soon after Brody I suspect, there are already plenty of unhappy viewers.
FrankBT
22-11-2014
Originally Posted by Styker:
“That A hole Uncle was forced to meet up with his nephew was he? If he knew that there would be a drone following him why on earth did he go to meet Ayan. What a scumbag that uncle is.”

Because Saul is being used as human shield. Uncle gambling that CIA will not risk killing ex CIA chief at the same time as himself.

Originally Posted by catsitter:
“I thought the uncle found out because the ambassador's husband found the photos in the "safe house" while Fara was upstairs, and passed them on to that ISI woman who is in league with the uncle's lot? But I'm not sure what the point was of the girlfriend finding out too if that's the case.”

The ambassador's husband only found photos of Aayan and his family in the safe house, therefore all that told him was that he was on the CIA's radar - nothing that he knew at that point that he was close to Carrie,, nor did he tell the ISI woman that was the case.
Randysback
23-11-2014
So the Scumbag CIA are willing to cause collateral damage by killing innocents for the safety of the good old USA.. but because their buddy Saul was there they let them go..
FrankBT
23-11-2014
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FrankBT
23-11-2014
What happened at the end of the ep was mutiny. Carrie was prepared to sacrfice Saul, her good friend and mentor, to die along with the terrorist uncle. It was Quinn who stopped her. So Quinn and the station acted insubordinately.
Goaty
23-11-2014
Brody!!!
Mitu_Pappi
23-11-2014
Ha ha played with your minds. Bet you every one went wtf.

Shows how important Brody was. Just a guest appearance brought a smile.
Minor Maggie
23-11-2014
At least we know that he is really dead.
solare
23-11-2014
So nice to see Brody again - even though he's only in Carrie's mind.

I'm disappointed though that the writers are going with the "off her meds" storyline again. It's been used enough in the previous series and gets in the way of the other plotlines. I prefer Carrie when she's in control - even if she's not particularly likeable at times.
Casmana
23-11-2014
Carrie's not "off her meds" .
Didn't you see capsules being made up at the chemists and planted in place of those flushed down the loo ? Obviously giving her hallucinations and paranoia .
sarissa
23-11-2014
Originally Posted by Casmana:
“Carrie's not "off her meds" .
Didn't you see capsules being made up at the chemists and planted in place of those flushed down the loo ? Obviously giving her hallucinations and paranoia .”

It's unlikely that the ISI would substitute anything that would be uncovered as unusual in a hospital blood test - my guess is something mild or a placebo, letting Carrie's illness cloud her mind and compromise her actions and judgement..

(I'm open to be corrected if anyone recognises her symptoms though....)
Scrovegni
23-11-2014
Originally Posted by sarissa:
“It's unlikely that the ISI would substitute anything that would be uncovered as unusual in a hospital blood test - my guess is something mild or a placebo, letting Carrie's illness cloud her mind and compromise her actions and judgement..

(I'm open to be corrected if anyone recognises her symptoms though....)”

She was off her tits.
2-Pot Screamer
23-11-2014
An unusual feature of this is that Haqqani is a real person, an actual Taliban commander - Homeland has merely given him a different forename. Still, he's not likely to sue...
tombigbee
24-11-2014
Originally Posted by sarissa:
“It's unlikely that the ISI would substitute anything that would be uncovered as unusual in a hospital blood test - my guess is something mild or a placebo, letting Carrie's illness cloud her mind and compromise her actions and judgement..

(I'm open to be corrected if anyone recognises her symptoms though....)”

Unlikely that missing a dose would have that effect so to me it suggests that she was given something combined with the withdrawal.
IWasBored
24-11-2014
Her meds looked as though they were the same colour as prozac capsules and Prozac is very dangerous for bipolar sufferers because it can make them carry out any suicidal thoughts. Prozac is best used to treat anxiety, ocd, purging or sometimes depression.
Gill P
24-11-2014
Originally Posted by Mitu_Pappi;75746229[B:
“]Ha ha played with your minds. Bet you every one went wtf. [/b]

Shows how important Brody was. Just a guest appearance brought a smile.”

I said he was an illusion to my husband! So it came as no surprise to me. I am not usually so perceptive!
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