I think he was overating how dangerous those prisoners were, double cross or no double cross. No one is indispensible in anything anf the same goes with terrorists. if "top" ones get captured, they get replaced.

He was even more stupid for risking the life of the boy and not giving a monkeys about how much had been put at stake in trying to release him too.

Dont think he is in the UK

The ISI has played with fire and sacrificed thousands of innocent Pakistani lives. They are almost out of control and it is now accepted that they knew where Bin Laden was all the time.

Zia ul haqs death was recently examined in a book. It was within the past 2 years and got good reviews. Forgot the name.

On Zia, I've read a fair bit about him and remember the day it happened too. Out of all the ISI Generals, only one was not killed. The one who did not get on the plane.

On the ISI and Bin Laden. Pakistan is a very corrupt country. People can pay off any official with money and Homeland touched upon it in that scene with Saul in the boot of a car and the Policeman didn't do nothing when he saw him.

IF Bin Laden was spotted on hos way to that place in Pakisan where he was killed, its possible I think that the Pakisan Army/Government didn't know he was there as he may have been hidden in the back of a van on his way there. The Police in places like Pakistan stop a lot of vehicles but not to check the vehicles but just to demand money and BL may have goton to that location by hiding, with the people with him paying any Police along the way.

I remember in all the years before BL was found, the general thinking by the media and so called experts was that BL would never stay in any one place for more than one night. They didn't repeat that once he had been killed so was that a silent admission they got that wrong?

Thanks Styker, we have. It only has Episodes 5 onwards. Anywhere we can watch Episodes 1-4?

They were dangerous prisoners though, it's very understandable why he didn't want to be rescued. As for the boy just because they didn't use him as a human bomb this time, doesn't mean they won't the next time, just the tragic way it is I'm afraid.

And if the bomb had gone off that would have killed both the boy and saul, it wouldn't of killed Carrie and everyone else there? What about what his family? He didn't think about them?

I just had a look on sky's catch up search and it seems they only have it from episode 6. The on demand services often have time limits but when a major series is still showing they often have all episodes available until the series ends and still keep it available for a few weeks afterwards too.

From the way they've gone about it in the past, they normally start repeating these programmes on sister channels like 4seven and More 4, E 4. I have seen Fargo listed on More 4 for example. I can only think of to keep an eye out for that for now or call C4 viewer enquiries and ask them if they are going to put the entire series back on at somepoint on 4OD.

The first few episodes were pretty slow burners imo and you could probably suss things by reading this thread in how it went. I know its not the same but it will give you the idea of what happened in the first few episodes. I think the latest episode was the one where it really got going.

I'm sensing you're kind of not getting it, I'll leave it there lol/

Yeah right. When was the last time a suicide bomb just killed the suicide bomber and no one else?

Thanks Styker, all great suggestions !

No problem. Apart from the nephew of the terrorist being used by various people and the husband of the American Ambassador angle and the very first episode of Carrie, Quinn and 1 other getting attacked by a mob, there wasn't that much about the first 4 epiosdes imo.

There are loads of sites on the net. I watch and download all eps from there as I don't have a tv and 4oD doesn't work with my computer.

You can buy the episodes from iTunes

Why? It was an American convoy. If you remember they stayed behind when the prisoners were handed over

lol what? Not even making sense with what we were talking about now lol.

Oh well, can't wait for the next episode.

Thanks Darth :

Ah ok , great thank you Frank

One problem I have with some of these latest incidents is the way that the ISI and the CIA are portrayed as being openly at war (metaphorically) with each other. At first I thought that the CIA prisoners were being handed over directly to the terrorists not to the ISI! Surely the ISI would at least pretend to be allies of the CIA?

I think the general relationsip between Pakistan and the US is this. Officially and generally the US and Pakistan are allies and were throughout the Cold war where India was an ally of the Soviet Union, now Russia.

There have been numerous problems along the way though. America seems to see Pakistan as an ally of convenience and I think Colin Powel once said that. Poor Pakistan seems to be used like that imo by China too.

America never seemed to understand why Pakistan wanted to have its own nuclear bomb after India went nuclear in 1974 and America went cold on Pakistan after Pakistan started trying to make nukes after that.

Then the Russians invaded Afghanistan in 1979 and America wanted to use Pakistan to have a proxy war with Russia over Afghanistan. Once the Russians were defeated in 1988/89, the Americans left Pakistan to it with all these religious fighters now the Taliban hanging around.

America then put Pakistan under massive sanctions, again for going for a nuclear programme. That's what really seems to have peeved Pakistan off since then.
Also before that, Pakistan's military ruler Zia Ul Huq was killed/murdered in 1988 along with 16 of his top Generals and a number of countries could have been behind that in part with an inside job.

I think with regard to your point about the last episode, the ISI were facilitating the handover, were the go between. Pakistan did recognise the Taliban Government in the 90's so had/have links with them and because they were all on the same side against the Russians.

I have just caught up with this season. How friggin' exciting is it? The pace of it is like 24 this season and it works really well. Last season didn't work for me as the Brody thing dragged on way too long with nowhere to go.

Damnit I almost wish I'd waited until it had finished before watching it as now I have to wait until each episode comes on.

I missed last Sunday's episode. Anyone know when they screen the repeat? Used to be on the following Sat didn't it? But I can't see it on tonight's tv listings

It's on at 4.00am Sun morning on 4Seven , or watch it now on 4OD.

Perfect. Thanks

Well that was an interesting episode.

Anyone else warming to Lockhart?