Being well-connected seems to help as well.

Does anyone still think this season is better than seasons 1 & 2? That was quite possible the worst season finale i've ever seen!

2 good episodes, 2 excellent episodes followed up by a horrible climax.

Overall not as bad as season 3 but still well below par, I won't be returning for season 5.

Agree, that was a crap finale!

Well that was underwhelming.

What was that? I feel like an episode had been missed out. So why was Dar Adal in Akani's car? That Tim looked a lot older than 15. Carrie's mother, like Carrie, should have had an abortion. Carrie's mother must be about 60 aswell; oh & as a single mother who's a teacher, how on earth does she afford to live in such a nice house? What on earth is Quinn doing pressuring Carrie in to having a relationship & giving her ultimations when her dad has just died? So is Carrie upset that Saul has 'sold out' or what?

Very disappointing finale - completely losing momentum after a great season.

I was expecting this episode to be set in Pakistan and for Quinn to die after accidentally reading a spoiler on the DM website.

I guess the storylines (Quinn, Saul, Dar Adal) are being set up for next season but I hope Carrie's new family aren't going to be in it!

Better than going out on a cliffhanger I thought .Some of you seem to want action all the time

Excellent finale. Carrie feeling totally betrayed by Quinn, and knowing her colleagues in Islamabad died in vain all because of Saul's intentions, her most trusted colleague in the CIA.

It would be easy not to even realise it was a finale. Very dull episode to go out on.

Some 'action' would have been nice, as opposed to a full episode being written as an hour-long advert to try and get people watching the next season.

IMO She insisted that the drone strike go ahead, simply because Haqqani had killed the nephew. Up until then she was calm about the situation. Nobody else tried to call off the strike before then.

Going out on a cliff hanger isn't the point. A finale for any series in the Homeland genre should have engrossing content, full of suspense, action, revelations etc. Basically leaving you wanting more. Nothing about this finale was even remotely exciting or thrilling content. Poor on all counts.

Interesting finale. Somewhat of a coda to the season. I liked it.

That baby looks so much like Damian Lewis it's creepy.

Well that was a crap final episode for me, unfortunately we were right and they did try and force her and Quinn together, not sure if I can be bothered with season 5 but by the time we get it in 9 months time I suspect I'll end up watching it.

Quinn could have had one last shower before departing on his mission.

Eight episodes of average, three good and finale which ended how I the series would. Overall it was a complete waste of time which had no real character development and the 'Homeland' theme was barely present. The next series should be the last.

You have a point... though I'm sure Carrie's ties to Saul were stronger than her commitment to Aayan, shocking though his execution was.

I think she'd care more about Saul being in Haqqani's clutches and likely to be subjected to torture and possibly an eventual craning than the loss of an asset which had achieved it's purpose - even if it is one she'd had sex with.

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I've mixed feelings about last night's finale.

I don't need massive cliffhangers or death and destruction in order to feel that a season has reached a suitable end but last night was too much of Carrie in cars and pulling up onto drives. Plus I think it was a bit odd having such potentially major players as her long absent mother with bolted-on half-brother appear as a way to tell Carrie that she can get it together with Quinn... but ooops, he'd gone already. Presumably this was to set up a nice bit of future angst for Carrie when Quinn goes missing... perhaps if Dar Adal knows he was seen in Haddaqi's car by Quinn, the likelihood of Quinn coming back is low anyway... and now he knows that Carrie knows...

And bits jarred... so the soon to be ex-CIA director pitches up at the after-wake of an employee's father and sits down with Saul and a black ops specialist... don't know how else you'd get them together but was the scene needed anyway?

Then with all the focus on the Saul video preventing him returning to office... wasn't he on the video of Haqqani shooting Aayan anyway? And that was uploaded to Youtube so is freely available out there. Yes, I suppose it was less damaging than the one Dar Adal returned... but who really believes that's the only copy? If Saul is back as CIA director - or something close - he's potentially Dar Adal's puppet... and how did Dar Adal make contact with Haqqani safely anyway...? Did I miss how Carrie knew where Dar Adal lived? Too many oddities and loose ends for me to feel it was a good final episode.

I have really enjoyed this season - more so than season 3 - and it's had some exceptionally tense episodes that have left me quite exhausted after watching but last night seemed too disjointed. I think the writers were so busy setting up next season they forgot to give us some satisfaction in concluding storylines this season. There comes a point where I think the viewer can be manipulated by a series too cynically and too much - one of the reasons I don't watch soaps - and I don't want Homeland and its characters (some of whom I'm very fond of, including Carrie) to treat its viewers that way.


Yes. That would have been closure of sorts for me.

How dull was that .

I didn't mind it being a more reflevtive and expaining episode, we've had plenty of action the last two weeks.

But agree that it didn't all seem entirely logical. I don't really get the whole Saul/Adal part, especially how and why Adal managed to negotiate with Haqqani. That would have been interesting to see, rather than just tagged on for the viewer - I can't believe he allowed himself to be so visible in Haqqani's car! And was he really in a position to promise to remove him from a Kill List, with so many disenchanted agents (not just Carrie & Quinn) literally gunning for him?

Also why does Saul want to be back at the CIA so badly? Especially under such dodgy circumstances. Would it really have been so damaging if the video of him in capture had been made public, given that he had been released and the CIA could have turned it into a triumphant rescue? As someone says above, he was in the other video of Aayan being shot anyway.

The Quinn/Carrie stuff was a bit too drawn out and I was very relieved when he decided to join the black ops team. (He needed a shower though, we are all agreed on that). Of course Carrie will do exactly the same when she has had time to grieve; the family stuff was all very well but German Girlfriend had already warned her that Quinn does this every so often and never follows through. She will dump that poor little Brody baby again and be back in the field before we know it, I'm sure.

It was actually Khan and Carrie who saw Dar Adal, not Quinn, though it doesn't make much difference. For all Dar Adal knows, loads of people could have seen him, and people could have been filming Haqqani on their phones and posted it on the internet for all to see! Also given that Khan apparently knew who Dar Adal was, there must be other Pakistanis who know. I don't understand why Dar Adal was the man for the job of negotiating with Haqqani; it would have made more sense to me if he was there to kill him.


I assume they all went to Fara's funeral or memorial service! Would have made more sense to show that, but I suppose the programme makers wanted a tribute to the actor who played Carrie's dad. Also, I was surprised that Dar Adal wasn't hanging around outside the funeral watching out for Quinn.

You're right. In fact, Carrie told Saul who said something along the lines of keeping that knowledge (Dar Adal in the car) within their club of two - three with Khan.


The elite little gathering was after Carrie's father's funeral - Saul and Quinn were already there at Carrie's sister's home (Mrs Saul having conveniently faded away) and Lockhard turned up with a 10pm lasagne made by his wife... which Carrie gracefully received.

It was a very disjointed final episode. But still, I'm sure Saul doesn't trust Dar Adal. And I completely get that.

The finale was a little bit boring, but overall this season have been great.

Yes, I know that, sorry, I was just trying to say that surely they would all have gone to Fara's funeral too but that wasn't shown. And that it would have made more sense for them all to be at Fara's funeral than at Carrie's dad's.

The women who have made it to top positions have been moderates and come from the equivellent of the Labour Party of Pakistan, the PPP Party. (Pakistan's People Party). Before they lost power at the last election, a woman was Pakistan's Foreign Secretary, Hina Rabbannir Khar. Sherry Rahman was another high profile woman in that Government, she was a friend of Benzhir Bhutto and was actually in the same car as her when Bhutto was assasinated. The speaker of Pakistan's National Assembly in that last parliament was also a woman and also from the PPP party.

The party in charge of Pakistan now is the equivelent of the Conservatives, though their name might make anyone unaware of Pakistan think different but they are generally a Conservative party called the Pakistan Muslim League, the same party as the founder of Pakistan I think.