[quote=Styker;80239328]Saul is more of a co star and always has been therefore his role and storylines are not getting tired but Carrie I think is well past it generally in both as a character and storylines. In Spooks the main characters/actors left that programme after a few years and I think Homeland should do the same in writing Carrie out[quote]

Bib Why not send Claire Danes an e mail if you feel so strongly about her being dropped ?

[quote=Casmana;80285910][quote=Styker;80239328]Saul is more of a co star and always has been therefore his role and storylines are not getting tired but Carrie I think is well past it generally in both as a character and storylines. In Spooks the main characters/actors left that programme after a few years and I think Homeland should do the same in writing Carrie out
I might tweet Clare Danes suggesting that I think it would be a good idea if she allowed her character Carrie to be written out of Homeland and or just to make the occasional appearance if and when Quinn wants to contact her or might need her etc etc.

IMO Carrie really is past it as a character and I think if most of her fans thought about it, they'd agree.

You never know. Programmes are commissioned on ratings and are cancelled very quickly in America if ratings drop. Even if they don't drop, the programme makers are always thinking of how they can improve their programme and part of that is realising when characters are past their sell by date and or have been over used and its time to either move on or give the character a rest.

Claire Danes is one of the executive producers of the show, she is not going anywhere.

Finally caught up, that was a great episode of Homeland. The last quarter of the hour was excellent and what an ending!!!

So Alison is the one who intercepted Saul's kill-list drop and put Carrie's name there? Is she the one who wants Carrie dead or is Alison working for someone higher up? If she's the big bad of this series this is going to be one hell of a season! When Carrie called the number Alison spoke in Russian, so i'm wondering is Alison really Russian or just pretending to be American?

Then there was the plane explosion! Was Alison responsible for that too? Dar Adal? So many questions!

For me this episode was better when it was Saul and Alison going about their mission, but seeing Carrie and Quinn back together was good too. Don't think Carrie playing dead is going to last too long.

As for that kid handing over the USB stick to the Russians and going alone, what an idiot!

Tonight's new episode is titled 'Better Call Saul'!

Enough of the get rid of Carrie comments - maybe leave that till after this season has ended and you can argue amongst yourselves!

And if the ratings drop(or have they already?) then the penny might drop that she needs to stay behind the camera and not in front of it.

Homeland is on Showtime a premium cable channel in the US. Ratings do not matter to cable so much as they do to network channels.

What is it about Carrie that you think is so great that she should hang around? Her being an original lead character and Executive producer for the last 2 series or so is not a good enough reason and you should ask yourself what happened to the original executive producer(s).

Could it be they pulled out because they realise the programme is past its peak? If so they need to look at how they can revitalise it and that imo would be writing Carrie out for a start and get some fresh new lead characters in.

What a frustrating episode - I was shouting at the telly call an ambulance for Quinn, take him to a hospital! Carrie is not doing enough to disguise herself - just a wig & that's it, glasses would be good, also a change in clothing style - such as wearing a dress. As for who is working with who against who - I'm completely

Quinn took a photo of "dead" Carrie in the last episode and Carrie looked at the phone and noted there was only one number in the memory.

She called it and it went through to Alison at the airport.

How did the Russian guy Alison met get the picture of the "dead" Carrie if the only number was the phone Alison had? The only number the picture could have been sent to was Alison's.

The phone Carrie used to call Allison was taken off the dead guy in the car.

The phone that sent the picture of Carrie belongs to Quinn.

Why did Carrie have to have a bloodied face like she'd been beaten up? Surely those kind of killings are done by a single bullet in to the back of the head.

You can still call numbers by dialling the digits without it being saved to the phone book then delete the call log afterwards (although still available to a forensic scrutiny).

We didn't see anything of the Swiss investigation of the explosion. Presumably they interviewed everyone who was at the scene? Did they not uncover the fact that the General's daughter had been given medical treatment in a "hospital" set up by the CIA as a sting? Didn't this bother them? Did they mind Allison holding the "hospital" medics for questioning?

And do the CIA still give their agents regular lie-detector tests like they did in season 1? Has Allison passed them? (And Saul, for that matter - I seem to remember him ducking the test in season 1 for some reason which was never properly explained?)

Although Saul is being set up as regards the plane explosion, this whole thing does count as yet another of his screw-ups in my book, since it was him who arranged for the ambassador to be recalled to the US instead of Allison, perhaps because of his relationship with her.

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I'm sure Ms Danes wil be grateful for any career advice you might be able to offer her.

She had to have a bloodied face as proof for the people Quinn was sending proof to ? Why do you concern yourself with minor details like this yet say you're confused by the plot of this series ?

okay , so , if I've got this right - Miranda Otto arranged for Carrie to be killed by Quinn , but why would she think that Quinn would do that ?, he's pals with Carrie .

why didn't she just get any other hitman to do it ?

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How can Saul be blamed for causing a screw-up here? It was Allison who went behind his back and contacted Dar Adal insisting she stay on in Berlin. He clearly agreed. Neither does Saul nor Adal have any idea that she's a Russian agent yet

Probably, she doesn't know the identity of the hitman.

Yes, Allison went behind Saul's back to Dar Adal but he told Saul about that and it was Saul's idea that the American ambassador should be the head to roll instead of either him or Allison. I realise that Saul and Adal don't know that Allison is in cahoots with the Russians, but my point is that Saul's judgement with regard to Allison could be clouded by the fact that he's sleeping with her, and surely he is to blame for that? And if they were still doing the regular lie-detector tests, perhaps they would have sussed Allison out. Also, we don't know how Allison got the code to send the "kill Carrie" message to Peter Quinn. How many people had that code?

Isn't the character of Dar Adal jewish as well? If he is, then why are they just automatically assuming that Saul is going to be so pro Israel? Shouldn't they be thinking about Adal's loyalties on that front too?

On that Alison, its hard to tell what she is saying as she seems to keep on using some Russian words too. I get the feeling the Russians have something on her and thats why she has done the double dealing unless she is has links to Russia herself.

I've been a qualified RMN for 31 years, so please don't tell me what I don't realise about bipolar disorder.
I've been annoyed by Ms. Danes representation of this illness since series 1.
The very idea that within a week of coming off medication she is floridly psychotic/manic and within a day or so of taking meds again, she is recovered are ridiculous in the extreme.

Alison didn't seem too bothered that the Egyptian's plane was going to blow up but seemed increasingly nervous, worried this week on some points particularly asking the Russian guy she met to stay with her a few more minutes.

My recording cut off a few seconds from the end, Quinn was clutching his stomach, did I miss anything in the last moments?

My theory is they do know and they're playing Alison. They were talking together alone at the airfield weren't they. I think Dar is seeing whether Alison plays along with setting up Saul as the fall guy, which to be fair at the moment she isn't, at least not 100%