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Old 04-06-2014, 06:46
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One of the oldest academy award nominees dies in New York.Hand picked by Bette Davis to star with her in The corn is green,inevitably another one of the few links left to old Hollywood has gone.

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One of the oldest academy award nominees dies in New York.Hand picked by Bette Davis to star with her in The corn is green, inevitably another one of the few links left to old Hollywood has gone.

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I was going to comment on Joan's death, but when I have mentioned the passing of an old star before all I usually get is, "never heard of her".

I first saw her as Barbara Stanwyck's doomed friend in The Other Love, and she made a big impression on me. That was back in 1947 and when I saw it again on TV she still affected me. She really was wonderful as the sluttish Bessie Watty in The Corn is Green, and she must have been one of the youngest Oscar Nominee's, she was just 19 at the time. Glad to see that she had some success on Broadway, she really should have become a big star, she certainly had everything going for her.

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Old 05-06-2014, 03:02
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I was going to comment on Joan's death, but when I have mentioned the passing of an old star before all I usually get is, "never heard of her".

I first saw her as Barbara Stanwyck's doomed friend in The Other Love, and she made a big impression on me. That was back in 1947 and when I saw it again on TV she still affected me. She really was wonderful as the sluttish Bessie Watty in The Corn is Green, and she must have been one of the youngest Oscar Nominee's, she was just 19 at the time. Glad to see that she had some success on Broadway, she really should have become a big star, she certainly had everything going for her.

RIP Joan
Im glad you commented as Hollywood has a rich tapestry of history,much of which falls under the general publics radar yet I feel in many ways with few players large or small from the earlier eras left it would be a shame for it to go unnoted.

To my mind if she acted with such legendary names as Bette Davis and Barbara Stanwyck then shes at the very least worthy of a thread in a mainstream film forum.

In terms of big names from the past theres not many left and were moving into an era soon when there will be non left.That will feel sad poignant and strange.

Of the top of my head we have Doris Day,Luise Rainer (104!!!!) Kirk Douglas,Warren Beatty,Lauren Bacall,Omar Shariff and Olivia De Haviilland.
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Old 05-06-2014, 08:13
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Im glad you commented as Hollywood has a rich tapestry of history,much of which falls under the general publics radar yet I feel in many ways with few players large or small from the earlier eras left it would be a shame for it to go unnoted.

To my mind if she acted with such legendary names as Bette Davis and Barbara Stanwyck then shes at the very least worthy of a thread in a mainstream film forum.

In terms of big names from the past theres not many left and were moving into an era soon when there will be non left.That will feel sad poignant and strange.

Of the top of my head we have Doris Day,Luise Rainer (104!!!!) Kirk Douglas,Warren Beatty,Lauren Bacall,Omar Shariff and Olivia De Haviilland.
I still think of Warren Beatty as quite young, probably because he is the same age as I am, and didn't make his film debut till 1961.

There are still a few more surviving names from the 1940's and 50's, you may not have heard of them all, but they deserve a mention for surviving so long :

Eli Wallach 99, Zsa Zsa Gabor 97, Danielle Darrieux 97, Marsha Hunt 96, Michele Morgan 96, Louis Jourdan 95, Carol Channing 95, Sheila Sim 94, Maureen O' Hara 93, Christopher Lee 92, Janis Paige 92, Valentina Cortesa 91, Richard Attenborough 90, Glynis Johns 90, Rhonda Fleming 90, Arlene Dahl 89, Hugh O' Brian 89, Gloria de Haven 89, Eva Marie Saint 89, Joan Leslie 89, Elaine Stritch 89, Martha Hyer 89, Angela Lansbury 88, Honor Blackman 88, Dina Merrill 88, Dick Van Dyke 88, Peggy Cummins 88, Dorothy Malone 88, Julie Adams 87, Harry Belafonte 87, Barbara Rush, Jerry Lewis 87, Sidney Poitier 87, Clint Walker 87, James Garner 86, Hardy Kruger 86, Jeanne Moreau 86, Gina Lollobrigida 86, Lee Grant 86, Ann Blyth 85, Nancy Olsen 85, Martin Landau 85, Terry Moore 85, Jane Powell 84, Vera Miles 84, Robert Wagner 84, Tippi Hedren 84, Gene Hackman 84, Joan Plowright 84, Clint Eastwood 83, Sean Connery 83, Christopher Plummer 83, Joanne Woodward 83, Sally Ann Howes 83, Carrol Baker 83, Rip Torn 83, Mamie Van Doren 83, Polly Bergen 83, Gena Rowland 83, Debbie Reynolds 82, Mitzi Gaynor 82, Tab Hunter 82, Leslie Caron 82, Claire Bloom 82, Rita Moreno 82, Angie Dickinson 82, Petula Clark 81, Joan Collins 81, Kim Novak 81, Shirley MacLaine 80, Shirley Jones 80, George Chakiris 79, Sophia Loren 79, Maggie Smith 79, Dean Stockwell 78, Margaret 0'Brien 77,

The last two names were two of the biggest child stars of the 1940's, and incredibly Dean will celebrate his 70th year as an actor next year.

I am sure that I have missed some names off the list, so any additions are welcome.
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Old 05-06-2014, 08:59
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I knew that I would forget someone, Marge Champion, wife and dancing partner of the late Gower, who brightened up some of those sparkling MGM musicals of the late '40's and early 50's, will celebrate her 95th birthday in September.
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Old 05-06-2014, 09:27
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I still think of Warren Beatty as quite young, probably because he is the same age as I am, and didn't make his film debut till 1961.

There are still a few more surviving names from the 1940's and 50's, you may not have heard of them all, but they deserve a mention for surviving so long :

Eli Wallach 99, Zsa Zsa Gabor 97, Danielle Darrieux 97, Marsha Hunt 96, Michele Morgan 96, Louis Jourdan 95, Carol Channing 95, Sheila Sim 94, Maureen O' Hara 93, Christopher Lee 92, Janis Paige 92, Valentina Cortesa 91, Richard Attenborough 90, Glynis Johns 90, Rhonda Fleming 90, Arlene Dahl 89, Hugh O' Brian 89, Gloria de Haven 89, Eva Marie Saint 89, Joan Leslie 89, Elaine Stritch 89, Martha Hyer 89, Angela Lansbury 88, Honor Blackman 88, Dina Merrill 88, Dick Van Dyke 88, Peggy Cummins 88, Dorothy Malone 88, Julie Adams 87, Harry Belafonte 87, Barbara Rush, Jerry Lewis 87, Sidney Poitier 87, Clint Walker 87, James Garner 86, Hardy Kruger 86, Jeanne Moreau 86, Gina Lollobrigida 86, Lee Grant 86, Ann Blyth 85, Nancy Olsen 85, Martin Landau 85, Terry Moore 85, Jane Powell 84, Vera Miles 84, Robert Wagner 84, Tippi Hedren 84, Gene Hackman 84, Joan Plowright 84, Clint Eastwood 83, Sean Connery 83, Christopher Plummer 83, Joanne Woodward 83, Sally Ann Howes 83, Carrol Baker 83, Rip Torn 83, Mamie Van Doren 83, Polly Bergen 83, Gena Rowland 83, Debbie Reynolds 82, Mitzi Gaynor 82, Tab Hunter 82, Leslie Caron 82, Claire Bloom 82, Rita Moreno 82, Angie Dickinson 82, Petula Clark 81, Joan Collins 81, Kim Novak 81, Shirley MacLaine 80, Shirley Jones 80, George Chakiris 79, Sophia Loren 79, Maggie Smith 79, Dean Stockwell 78, Margaret 0'Brien 77,

The last two names were two of the biggest child stars of the 1940's, and incredibly Dean will celebrate his 70th year as an actor next year.

I am sure that I have missed some names off the list, so any additions are welcome.
Wasn't stockwell al in quantum leap?.....
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Old 05-06-2014, 10:04
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Wasn't stockwell al in quantum leap?.....
Yes he was, but before appearing in that TV series he had a very distinguished film career. He made his debut in 1945 at the age of 7 in Valley of Decision, and made a big impression the same year in Anchors Away with Frank Sinatra and Gene Kelly. Co- star Kathryn Grayson said that he was the most beautiful child that she had ever seen. In 1947 he played the son of Myrna Loy and William Powell in Song of the Thin Man, as well as the son of Gregory Peck in Gentleman's Agreement. Over the next few years he played the title role in The Boy With Green Hair, co starred with Errol Flynn in Kim, and Richard Widmark in Down to the Sea in Ships. Being a year older than me, he was my idol when I was growing up, and especially loved him in The Happy Years, and Cattle Drive with Joel McCrea. He did a lot of TV in the 1950's, and came back to the big screen as a child murderer in the critically acclaimed Compulsion, also starring Orson Welles. He came to the UK in 1960 to star with Wendy Hiller and Trevor Howard in Jack Cardiff's beautiful adaption of D.H. Lawrence's, Sons and Lovers. In 1962 he played Katharine Hepburn's son in Long Day's Journey into Night.

Over the past 50 years he has worked continuously in films and TV, and received his only Oscar Nomination in 1989 as Best Supporting Actor for Married to the Mob, sadly he didn't win. He has four films coming up this year, and if anyone deserved an Honorary Oscar for Lifetime Achievement, it is Dean.
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Old 05-06-2014, 10:37
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I love an old movie. Esecially on rainy days. (the past two days, I've watched carry on constable, and sunset boulevard.)

It's threads like this that make realize how little I've seen.....

Before i go any further...... R.I.P Joan lorring.
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Old 05-06-2014, 10:55
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I love an old movie. Esecially on rainy days. (the past two days, I've watched carry on constable, and Sunset Boulevard.)

It's threads like this that make realize how little I've seen.....

Before i go any further...... R.I.P Joan lorring.
Ah, Sunset Boulevard, one of my all time favourite films, along with All About Eve, The Lady Eve, and Now Voyager. I was lucky enough to meet Gloria Swanson at The Night of 100 Stars at the London Palladium in 1964. She was nothing like Norma Desmond, a lovely vibrant lady with a great sense of humour. I just wish that I still had the programme for that show with all those famous signatures on it.
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Old 05-06-2014, 15:48
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I knew that I would forget someone, Marge Champion, wife and dancing partner of the late Gower, who brightened up some of those sparkling MGM musicals of the late '40's and early 50's, will celebrate her 95th birthday in September.
Lizabeth Scott is still around, she'll be 92 in September.
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Old 05-06-2014, 17:28
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Lizabeth Scott is still around, she'll be 92 in September.
Shame on me, I can't believe that I missed Lizabeth, one of my all time favourite Film Noir ladies. Terrific with Bogart in Dead Reckoning, and Elvis in Loving You. She also came over here in 1951 to star in an excellent thriller, Stolen Face, in which she played a dual role, a good girl who a plastic surgeon fell in love with. When he lost her he operated on a scarred bad girl and turned her into a replica of his other love.

The most recent photo's that I have seen of her in public was when she appeared at the Centenary Celebrations for Barbara Stanwyck and posed with a poster of them together in The Strange Love of Martha Ivers.
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Old 06-06-2014, 00:40
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I still think of Warren Beatty as quite young, probably because he is the same age as I am, and didn't make his film debut till 1961.

There are still a few more surviving names from the 1940's and 50's, you may not have heard of them all, but they deserve a mention for surviving so long :

Eli Wallach 99, Zsa Zsa Gabor 97, Danielle Darrieux 97, Marsha Hunt 96, Michele Morgan 96, Louis Jourdan 95, Carol Channing 95, Sheila Sim 94, Maureen O' Hara 93, Christopher Lee 92, Janis Paige 92, Valentina Cortesa 91, Richard Attenborough 90, Glynis Johns 90, Rhonda Fleming 90, Arlene Dahl 89, Hugh O' Brian 89, Gloria de Haven 89, Eva Marie Saint 89, Joan Leslie 89, Elaine Stritch 89, Martha Hyer 89, Angela Lansbury 88, Honor Blackman 88, Dina Merrill 88, Dick Van Dyke 88, Peggy Cummins 88, Dorothy Malone 88, Julie Adams 87, Harry Belafonte 87, Barbara Rush, Jerry Lewis 87, Sidney Poitier 87, Clint Walker 87, James Garner 86, Hardy Kruger 86, Jeanne Moreau 86, Gina Lollobrigida 86, Lee Grant 86, Ann Blyth 85, Nancy Olsen 85, Martin Landau 85, Terry Moore 85, Jane Powell 84, Vera Miles 84, Robert Wagner 84, Tippi Hedren 84, Gene Hackman 84, Joan Plowright 84, Clint Eastwood 83, Sean Connery 83, Christopher Plummer 83, Joanne Woodward 83, Sally Ann Howes 83, Carrol Baker 83, Rip Torn 83, Mamie Van Doren 83, Polly Bergen 83, Gena Rowland 83, Debbie Reynolds 82, Mitzi Gaynor 82, Tab Hunter 82, Leslie Caron 82, Claire Bloom 82, Rita Moreno 82, Angie Dickinson 82, Petula Clark 81, Joan Collins 81, Kim Novak 81, Shirley MacLaine 80, Shirley Jones 80, George Chakiris 79, Sophia Loren 79, Maggie Smith 79, Dean Stockwell 78, Margaret 0'Brien 77,

The last two names were two of the biggest child stars of the 1940's, and incredibly Dean will celebrate his 70th year as an actor next year.

I am sure that I have missed some names off the list, so any additions are welcome.
WOW Your knowledge is very extensive.Thank you for the detailed information
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Old 06-06-2014, 08:58
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WOW Your knowledge is very extensive.Thank you for the detailed information
It was my pleasure, but as you can see, even I am not infallible.

I have remembered a couple of other names from the Golden Era of Hollywood.

Mona Freeman was a very popular ingénue of the 1940's. Her first role should have been as Barbara Stanwyck's stepdaughter in the classic Film Noir Double Indemnity. Although she was 18 years old she looked too young, and she was replaced with Jean Heather. That happened again when she was cast as Elizabeth Taylor's older sister in National Velvet. Although she was four years older that Taylor she still looked too young, and was replaced by 20 year old Angela Lansbury, who was just two years her senior. She did have some good roles in the 1940's including two with William Holden, Dear Ruth and Dear Wife, and a third in the series without Holden, Dear Brat.

Probably her best role was as Betty Grable's eldest daughter in Mother Wore Tights. She appeared with Bill Holden again in Streets of Laredo, with Olivia de Havilland in her Oscar winning film The Heiress, with Alan Ladd in Branded, Jean Simmons and Robert Mitchum in Angel Face, and Van Heflin and Tab Hunter in Battle Cry.

Like many fading Hollywood stars she came to the UK in the 1950's when she appeared with our own Jean Kent in the excellent thriller, Before I Wake.

From then on she appeared mostly on TV, making her last appearance in 1972 before retiring. She will celebrate her 88th birthday on Monday.

93 year old Nanette Fabray made her screen debut at the age of 19 as one of Bette Davis's ladies in waiting in Elizabeth and Essex in 1939, but is probably best remembered for being fourth billed after Fred Astaire, Cyd Charisse, and Jack Buchanan in the 1953 MGM musical The Band Wagon.

I don't know whether it is true, but I heard that she had her nose bobbed so many times that she was nicknamed "No Nose Nanette"

I realise that I am probably the oldest member on this site, but it would be great to have more threads on Hollywood's Golden Age.
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Old 07-06-2014, 06:52
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It was my pleasure, but as you can see, even I am not infallible.

I have remembered a couple of other names from the Golden Era of Hollywood.

Mona Freeman was a very popular ingénue of the 1940's. Her first role should have been as Barbara Stanwyck's stepdaughter in the uclassic Film Noir Double Indemnity. Although she was 18 years old she looked too young, and she was replaced with Jean Heather. That happened again when she was cast as Elizabeth Taylor's older sister in National Velvet. Although she was four years older that Taylor she still looked too young, and was replaced by 20 year old Angela Lansbury, who was just two years her senior. She did have some good roles in the 1940's including two with William Holden, Dear Ruth and Dear Wife, and a third in the series without Holden, Dear Brat.

Probably her best role was as Betty Grable's eldest daughter in Mother Wore Tights. She appeared with Bill Holden again in Streets of Laredo, with Olivia de Havilland in her Oscar winning film The Heiress, with Alan Ladd in Branded, Jean Simmons and Robert Mitchum in Angel Face, and Van Heflin and Tab Hunter in Battle Cry.

Like many fading Hollywood stars she came to the UK in the 1950's when she appeared with our own Jean Kent in the excellent thriller, Before I Wake.

From then on she appeared mostly on TV, making her last appearance in 1972 before retiring. She will celebrate her 88th birthday on Monday.

93 year old Nanette Fabray made her screen debut at the age of 19 as one of Bette Davis's ladies in waiting in Elizabeth and Essex in 1939, but is probably best remembered for being fourth billed after Fred Astaire, Cyd Charisse, and Jack Buchanan in the 1953 MGM musical The Band Wagon.

I don't know whether it is true, but I heard that she had her nose bobbed so many times that she was nicknamed "No Nose Nanette"

I realise that I am probably the oldest member on this site, but it would be great to have more threads on Hollywood's Golden Age.
It certainly would be nice to see more threads on Hollywoods golden age .Would Raquel.Welch 74 and Julie Andrews 78? count?
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Old 07-06-2014, 08:09
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It certainly would be nice to see more threads on Hollywoods golden age .Would Raquel.Welch 74 and Julie Andrews 78? count?
Well, they are certainly old enough to be included, even though they both made their film debuts in the 1960's.

I guess I should also include 73 year old Ann Margret who made her film debut as Bette Davis's daughter in Pocketful of Miracles (1961).
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Old 07-06-2014, 09:29
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Can anyone recommend me a black and white movie. Something I wouldn't of heard off.

Not a big fan of westerns or war movies. A comedy, rom-com,feel good movie, or a musical is more my cup of tea.....
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Well, they are certainly old enough to be included, even though they both made their film debuts in the 1960's.

I guess I should also include 73 year old Ann Margret who made her film debut as Bette Davis's daughter in Pocketful of Miracles (1961).

Thanks.Lauren Bacall 90 this year and I think shes in goodish health so hopefully may see a century although too early to count our chickens!Anita Ekberg and Carroll Baker not sure if you mentioned them?
Can anyone recommend me a black and white movie. Something I wouldn't of heard off.

Not a big fan of westerns or war movies. A comedy, rom-com,feel good movie, or a musical is more my cup of tea.....
The Grand Hotel.
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Thanks.Lauren Bacall 90 this year and I think shes in goodish health so hopefully may see a century although too early to count our chickens!Anita Ekberg and Carroll Baker not sure if you mentioned them?
Bacall had a fall a few years ago and fractured her hip, since then she hasn't been seen out much in public. Although she is rumoured to be starring in a new film, Trouble is My Business.

83 year old Carroll Baker is on my list, but not Anita Ekberg, who will be 83 this year.
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Can anyone recommend me a black and white movie. Something I wouldn't of heard off.

Not a big fan of westerns or war movies. A comedy, rom-com,feel good movie, or a musical is more my cup of tea.....
Well, as someone who started going to the cinema in the early 1940's, these are my top ten.

1. The Lady Eve - Screwball comedy starring Barbara Stanwyck and Henry Fonda.

2. All About Eve - Witty satire which probably contains Bette Davis best performance.

3. Now Voyager - Terrific 40's weepie with Bette Davis and Claude Rains.

4. The Other Love - Classic '40's weepie about a consumptive Concert Pianist, with Barbara Stanwyck and David Niven..

5. Witness for the Prosecution - My favourite court room drama based on Agatha
Christie's play with Charles Laughton and Dietrich.

6. Auntie Mame - Hilarious 1958 comedy starring Rosalind Russell

7. Road House - Gripping 1948 drama with Ida Lupino and Richard Widmark.

8. Sweet Bird of Youth - Great 1961 drama adapted from Tennesee William's play with
Paul Newman and Geraldine Page.

9. This Happy Breed - My favourite British film from 1944 adapted from the Noel
Coward play about a South London family between the Wars.

10. Stage Fright - My favourite Hitchcock, starring Marlene Dietrich and Richard Todd.

Everyone of these films is available on DVD. There are so many more but these are the films that immediately came to mind.
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Bacall had a fall a few years ago and fractured her hip, since then she hasn't been seen out much in public. Although she is rumoured to be starring in a new film, Trouble is My Business.

83 year old Carroll Baker is on my list, but not Anita Ekberg, who will be 83 this year.
Oh heck I had no idea that had happened to Lauren Bacall.To me shes the most legendary of the remaining stars still alive.

Who on the list would you describe as legends please?I know in a way they all our but I guess I mean whos iconic or at least thats what I think Im trying to ask?

Ive googled some on your list and so far it appears that the french seem blessed with more longevity!Sad about Marsha Hunt whos name I recognised but couldnt place,for having her name blacklisted because of the McCarthy witchhunt.
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Oh heck I had no idea that had happened to Lauren Bacall.To me shes the most legendary of the remaining stars still alive.

Who on the list would you describe as legends please?I know in a way they all our but I guess I mean whos iconic or at least thats what I think Im trying to ask?

Ive googled some on your list and so far it appears that the french seem blessed with more longevity!Sad about Marsha Hunt whos name I recognised but couldnt place,for having her name blacklisted because of the McCarthy witchhunt.
That word is so overused these days, Bette Davis once commented that you really had to be dead to be a Legend.

I remember some ditzy airhead asking Bacall what is was like working with a legend like Nicole Kidman!
Bacall chewed her up and spat her out with a few well chosen words, and rightly so.

I would certainly describe Bacall as a legend, and Maggie Smith, but really I guess that I agree with Bette.

Incidentally, I should definitely add 76 year old Jane Fonda to that list. She made her film debut in 1960, has won two Oscar's, and recently became only the eighth woman out of 42 honorees of to be presented with the AFI Lifetime Achievement Award.

The other seven, in order of the years that they were honoured are, Bette Davis, Lilian Gish, Barbara Stanwyck, Elizabeth Taylor, Barbra Streisand, Meryl Streep, and Shirley MacLaine.
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That word is so overused these days, Bette Davis once commented that you really had to be dead to be a Legend.

I remember some ditzy airhead asking Bacall what is was like working with a legend like Nicole Kidman!
Bacall chewed her up and spat her out with a few well chosen words, and rightly so.

I would certainly describe Bacall as a legend, and Maggie Smith, but really I guess that I agree with Bette.

Incidentally, I should definitely add 76 year old Jane Fonda to that list. She made her film debut in 1960, has won two Oscar's, and recently became only the eighth woman out of 42 honorees of to be presented with the AFI Lifetime Achievement Award.

The other seven, in order of the years that they were honoured are, Bette Davis, Lilian Gish, Barbara Stanwyck, Elizabeth Taylor, Barbra Streisand, Meryl Streep, and Shirley MacLaine.
Bacall definitely strikes me as having little time for the phoney more shallow end of showbusiness culture!

Would you decribe Olivia De Havilland as a legend?I dont think Doris Day was ever a high brow critics favourite but on reflection I would say Doris is a hollywood legend but not as much as Bacall
That AFI list is very impressive and Id like to think Jane Fonda had at least one good film left in her.
I think despite her younger age Liza Minnelli might be classed as a legend?

That list certainly makes interesting reading including a 90 year old billionaire(Dina Merrill) and an actor who married for the first time in their 80s(Hugh OBrian)

Zsa Zsa Gabor is an interesting one,not the best acting career yet definitely a cultural "legend".
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Bacall definitely strikes me as having little time for the phoney more shallow end of showbusiness culture!

Would you decribe Olivia De Havilland as a legend?I dont think Doris Day was ever a high brow critics favourite but on reflection I would say Doris is a hollywood legend but not as much as Bacall
That AFI list is very impressive and Id like to think Jane Fonda had at least one good film left in her.
I think despite her younger age Liza Minnelli might be classed as a legend?

That list certainly makes interesting reading including a 90 year old billionaire(Dina Merrill) and an actor who married for the first time in their 80s(Hugh OBrian)

Zsa Zsa Gabor is an interesting one,not the best acting career yet definitely a cultural "legend".
It is odd how some stars who were so big in the 1940's and 50s are now overlooked or just forgotten. Olivia, Greer Garson, Irene Dunne, Claudette Colbert, Susan Hayward, Rosalind Russell, and so many more. I certainly believe that Olivia, Doris, and Bacall were more deserving of the AFI Award than Taylor and Streisand, but then I am not a fan of either of them.

I thought it very wrong to give Tom Hanks the award, when Paul Newman who had been in films since the mid '50's was overlooked. After all, it is supposed to be for a lifetime career in films that have stood the test of time.

Minnelli reached her peak in Cabaret, and sadly like her mother seems to get more publicity for her private life than anything else. Although she is now 20 years older than her mother when she died, I don't think that she ever reached Judy's legendary status.

Zsa Zsa was certainly unique, and she could be very funny when interviewed by someone like Clive James. She was probably one of those people who was famous for being famous. Then compared to some of today's reality "stars" and grotesques like Katie Price, she is to be treasured.
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It is odd how some stars who were so big in the 1940's and 50s are now overlooked or just forgotten. Olivia, Greer Garson, Irene Dunne, Claudette Colbert, Susan Hayward, Rosalind Russell, and so many more. I certainly believe that Olivia, Doris, and Bacall were more deserving of the AFI Award than Taylor and Streisand, but then I am not a fan of either of them.

I thought it very wrong to give Tom Hanks the award, when Paul Newman who had been in films since the mid '50's was overlooked. After all, it is supposed to be for a lifetime career in films that have stood the test of time.

Minnelli reached her peak in Cabaret, and sadly like her mother seems to get more publicity for her private life than anything else. Although she is now 20 years older than her mother when she died, I don't think that she ever reached Judy's legendary status.

Zsa Zsa was certainly unique, and she could be very funny when interviewed by someone like Clive James. She was probably one of those people who was famous for being famous. Then compared to some of today's reality "stars" and grotesques like Katie Price, she is to be treasured.
For all her faults and extreme avarice Zsa Zsa is very much more classier than the likes of Katie Price and Kerry Katona!

I like Tom Hanks but theres no way THEE Paul Newman should have been overlooked.

I guess it was always going to be tough for Liza to live up to her legendary mother.I think if Liza had of died young she too MAY have become a legend or viewed as such?

It does annoy me how so many stars of yesteryear are overlooked by the media but then I guess thats showbusiness which will jar with a real film loveer like me.

Is George Kennedy still alive btw and does Michael Caine count as a legend?
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I still think of Warren Beatty as quite young, probably because he is the same age as I am, and didn't make his film debut till 1961.

There are still a few more surviving names from the 1940's and 50's, you may not have heard of them all, but they deserve a mention for surviving so long :

Eli Wallach 99, Zsa Zsa Gabor 97, Danielle Darrieux 97, Marsha Hunt 96, Michele Morgan 96, Louis Jourdan 95, Carol Channing 95, Sheila Sim 94, Maureen O' Hara 93, Christopher Lee 92, Janis Paige 92, Valentina Cortesa 91, Richard Attenborough 90, Glynis Johns 90, Rhonda Fleming 90, Arlene Dahl 89, Hugh O' Brian 89, Gloria de Haven 89, Eva Marie Saint 89, Joan Leslie 89, Elaine Stritch 89, Martha Hyer 89, Angela Lansbury 88, Honor Blackman 88, Dina Merrill 88, Dick Van Dyke 88, Peggy Cummins 88, Dorothy Malone 88, Julie Adams 87, Harry Belafonte 87, Barbara Rush, Jerry Lewis 87, Sidney Poitier 87, Clint Walker 87, James Garner 86, Hardy Kruger 86, Jeanne Moreau 86, Gina Lollobrigida 86, Lee Grant 86, Ann Blyth 85, Nancy Olsen 85, Martin Landau 85, Terry Moore 85, Jane Powell 84, Vera Miles 84, Robert Wagner 84, Tippi Hedren 84, Gene Hackman 84, Joan Plowright 84, Clint Eastwood 83, Sean Connery 83, Christopher Plummer 83, Joanne Woodward 83, Sally Ann Howes 83, Carrol Baker 83, Rip Torn 83, Mamie Van Doren 83, Polly Bergen 83, Gena Rowland 83, Debbie Reynolds 82, Mitzi Gaynor 82, Tab Hunter 82, Leslie Caron 82, Claire Bloom 82, Rita Moreno 82, Angie Dickinson 82, Petula Clark 81, Joan Collins 81, Kim Novak 81, Shirley MacLaine 80, Shirley Jones 80, George Chakiris 79, Sophia Loren 79, Maggie Smith 79, Dean Stockwell 78, Margaret 0'Brien 77,

The last two names were two of the biggest child stars of the 1940's, and incredibly Dean will celebrate his 70th year as an actor next year.

I am sure that I have missed some names off the list, so any additions are welcome.
I appreciate that some of the above are very old but are any of them known to be very ill or in very poor health?

Zsa Zsa seems an immortal survivor but of course in truth she isnt!
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