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Old 05-12-2012, 20:55
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You really don't get it, do you?

A release isn't platinum unless it is certified by BPI. Letters is not.

End of.

What is the source for the 300,000 shipping claim, in any event? Credible Cardle?

Nice to know you are "sure" about the other artists. That settles it, then.
I dont think letters has been certified silver or gold yet by the BPI so i assume it has not these either
Not sure why you trying to change this thread into all about Matt Cardle this is all about the the management of the x factor winners
I am not sure about the early series but i do think Joe was badly managed ..he was totally overshadowed by the promo olly got that year ..has a great voice and a good live singer
Ok maybe he did not fit the pop mould but surely his management should have looked at that ..i know the X factor is advertised as finding a pop star but the reality is that the pure "pop" act dont always win the show and management should adapt
For example lucy who was put through this year..if she had stayed and won they would have to had a whole different approach
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Old 05-12-2012, 20:56
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POT, KETTLE, BLACK "the record company must pay a fee to the BPI and they carry out an audit into the release in question".
LOL what are you on about? No one has said that certification is free of charge.

The point is BPI and only BPI can confer platinum status. Until they do, any claim of a platinum release is simply that: a claim.

Letters is not a platinum album.
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Old 05-12-2012, 21:16
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I think the reason why the show seems to be plummeting is because people are all too aware that the result/winner doesn't even matter anymore.

Now it's coming back to haunt the show.
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Old 05-12-2012, 21:48
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Not sure why you trying to change this thread into all about Matt Cardle this is all about the the management of the x factor winners
What exactly is wrong with a group of forum members discussing X Factor winner Matt Cardle's career and the possible reasons for its success / failure in a thread dedicated to the management of X Factor winners? Nobody here is "trying to change the thread into all about Matt Cardle". The early part of the thread was dominated by talk of Alexandra, Joe, Leon etc. We are discussing Matt and that is a very valid topic in such a thread. We are not stopping others discussing other winners.
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Old 05-12-2012, 21:50
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Alexandra.

Such potential, and completely wasted.
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Old 05-12-2012, 22:17
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I think the reason why the show seems to be plummeting is because people are all too aware that the result/winner doesn't even matter anymore.

Now it's coming back to haunt the show.
I agree in part but I think the audience loss has to do with the judging panel as well, some people watch purely for entertainment without caring much about the outcome and there just isn't the chemistry/star power there was before Simon, Dannii, and Cheryl left.

Ironic though that part of the reason the result doesn't matter is that the voters don't seem to support the winners once they win. Management can't be blamed for that.
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Old 05-12-2012, 22:19
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ALL of them
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Old 05-12-2012, 22:19
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I think all the winners have been badly managed so it's hard to pick the worst one.

Um, on paper Shayne was probably the most marketable one with great potential so I reckon that was the biggest failure. I mean, he was super hot and could sure as hell sing - and always in tune, unlike the vocally challenged trio of munters we have this year.
Yeah. He should have been the first superstar to emerge from the X Factor. As big as Leona eventually became, easily.

Still, I can't help but wonder whether timing was a factor with Shayne. In truth, 2005-2006 was an odd year in pop music. A transitional year, if you wish, with few or any major standouts or phenomenons. The Timberlake thing had already peaked a year or two earlier, and the likes of Rihanna and Lady Gaga weren't around yet. Perhaps Shayne was a year too late?
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Old 05-12-2012, 22:39
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Leon - went down the obvious, swing pop route and didn't market him much to my knowledge. Shame because I liked Dont Call this Love.

Joe - Electro pop album then opera. Eh? It's a bit random but the opera pop seems to be working for him so I guess it's okay.

Matt- really really had potential. Starlight should have been the lead single.

Shayne -was a bit better managed but still think he could have been a lot more popular he had that very popular Justin timberlake thing going on. I think it could have worked out really well for him.
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Old 05-12-2012, 22:40
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Matt Cardle, wtf happened?
i agree... his first single was so sucessful.. and then they hide him in a cave and brought him back with a barlow reject song when one direction where starting to become big...
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Old 05-12-2012, 22:48
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Yeah. He should have been the first superstar to emerge from the X Factor. As big as Leona eventually became, easily.

Still, I can't help but wonder whether timing was a factor with Shayne. In truth, 2005-2006 was an odd year in pop music. A transitional year, if you wish, with few or any major standouts or phenomenons. The Timberlake thing had already peaked a year or two earlier, and the likes of Rihanna and Lady Gaga weren't around yet. Perhaps Shayne was a year too late?
I think you could be right!

Timing and luck comes into to play for the majority of xf acts.
Also the sound/genre they go for post XF..
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Old 06-12-2012, 00:19
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One of the issues for people like Joe and Leon is simply to do with budgeting. Their first singles flopped and their albums sold way beyond what would be needed to make money. And so immediately, the budget strings are tightened.
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Old 06-12-2012, 00:29
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I think you could be right!

Timing and luck comes into to play for the majority of xf acts.
Also the sound/genre they go for post XF..
It's definitely something worth pondering. If Shayne had won the 2004 series or Pop Idol in 2003, it might have been a different story altogether for him.
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Old 06-12-2012, 05:37
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Shayne Ward should have done better, he was great (still is I expect). I did read something about him having a lot of voice problems though, healthwise, so that may have something to do with it.
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Old 06-12-2012, 06:13
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Shayne Ward should have done better, he was great (still is I expect). I did read something about him having a lot of voice problems though, healthwise, so that may have something to do with it.
I think he had growths on his vocal chords at one point
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Old 06-12-2012, 08:49
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Shayne Ward.

To me he had the total package to be a big male pop star. Major fail by Syco!
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Old 06-12-2012, 15:03
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I firmly believe leon ruined it for himself. His appearance on the X Factor was car crash tv. He was so nervous. I am sure he would have been better in a boy band to help with the nerves. Shame as I loved his voice. It really had a lovely tone to it but then we already had Michael Buble so not sure we needed an inferior one
the first live show performance by leon jackson was a car crash. how he never went home that night is beyond me
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Old 06-12-2012, 15:41
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Still, I can't help but wonder whether timing was a factor with Shayne. In truth, 2005-2006 was an odd year in pop music. A transitional year, if you wish, with few or any major standouts or phenomenons. The Timberlake thing had already peaked a year or two earlier, and the likes of Rihanna and Lady Gaga weren't around yet. Perhaps Shayne was a year too late?
Good thinking. I agree. With Shayne at the outset it maybe was not so much management as the overall state of the music business. Later on though I think he was not well served.
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Old 06-12-2012, 15:45
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It's interesting to note that all of these people, even with disastrous careers, have sold more out of the gate than Tulisa has, solo.
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Old 06-12-2012, 15:54
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Joe fourth album didn't get the publicity it deserved. I think it is great but I do think a few more up-tempo songs would have balanced it a bit more. The covers chosen are fine and he does a fantastic job singing them, particularly Love of My Life and Somethings Gotten Into My Heart.
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