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Microsoft Set To Dump Surface?
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neo_wales
17-03-2013
They should have launched both Surface tabs at the same time IMO. I'm waiting and waiting for the Pro release but I am getting a bit peeded off now hanging around waiting.

I'm very happy with W8, I like the metro interface, works fine on my desktop and I'm sure its great on a touch screen but I'm not happy with the way MS have handled the launch world wide.
smcbeath
24-03-2013
Eurogamer has done a review on the pro

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/di...ace-pro-review

Says the battery will only last 90 mins for pc games and about 5 hours for general use.

For those of us waiting for haswell -

"Surface Pro clearly has its issues, but then so do many first-generation products. Despite the problems, it remains a compelling piece of hardware, offering a tantalising preview of the future of tablet technology. It's also clear that Microsoft and Intel working in tandem have much to offer. For its part, the chip maker is already working on improving power efficiency and GPU performance. Its next-gen offering - codenamed Haswell, due later this year - is said to offer a 2x improvement in graphics performance over Intel HD 4000 and a 10-15 per cent boost in CPU power to boot, while also offering sleep mode support along the lines of the current mobile processors. This first-gen tablet pleasantly surprised us with its gaming power - a second-generation Surface Pro based on Haswell should at least bring us up to par with Xbox 360 from a games perspective, while hopefully delivering improved battery life over what we see here."
niceguy1966
19-05-2013
Microsoft were giving away 1000s of Surface RT 64G tablets at a trade show I was at last week.

For free, I can't complain, but at nearly £500, I'd have been very disappointed. Too many problems to list, but for the same money, you could buy a much more useful laptop. Or for less money, you can buy a much better tablet. It seems to fall between the two and does both jobs badly.
PPhilster
20-05-2013
Originally Posted by DotNetWill:
“Hmmmmm..... I can't see it even with the Pro not even out yet.

Who is that site?”

Deleted. Old info.
IvanIV
20-05-2013
Originally Posted by niceguy1966:
“Microsoft were giving away 1000s of Surface RT 64G tablets at a trade show I was at last week.

For free, I can't complain, but at nearly £500, I'd have been very disappointed. Too many problems to list, but for the same money, you could buy a much more useful laptop. Or for less money, you can buy a much better tablet. It seems to fall between the two and does both jobs badly.”

Give us three.
niceguy1966
20-05-2013
Originally Posted by IvanIV:
“Give us three.”

They may have looked a bit desperate, giving away approx 3000 tablets to a bunch of Telecom Managers as they registered, but they weren't so desperate that they would give us more than one each.

Although, on the last day of the show, they were reminding people over the tanoy to collect their Surfaces, so they must have been left with a few.

Literally couldn't give them away!
IvanIV
21-05-2013
That's silly, for free I'd take anything, you can flog it for a few quid if nothing else.
TheBigM
21-05-2013
Surface Pro will be here in two days' time!

Seriously considering getting one.
IvanIV
21-05-2013
Originally Posted by TheBigM:
“Surface Pro will be here in two days' time!

Seriously considering getting one.”

Me, too. I feel a bit bad because I have RT and also got a new laptop, but I want this toy anyway
smcbeath
21-05-2013
The surface pro is coming out 5 months too late for me Haswell is due to be announced for 3/6 and hopefully have some ultrabooks and tablets available to order straight away. MS should just of done a zune with the pro and kept it in the usa but launched a pro 2, haswell edition for the europeans Cant wait anyway, been wanting to buy a tablet/laptop since last summer.
TheBigM
21-05-2013
Originally Posted by smcbeath:
“The surface pro is coming out 5 months too late for me Haswell is due to be announced for 3/6 and hopefully have some ultrabooks and tablets available to order straight away. MS should just of done a zune with the pro and kept it in the usa but launched a pro 2, haswell edition for the europeans Cant wait anyway, been wanting to buy a tablet/laptop since last summer.”

I wouldn't expect to see a Surface Pro with Haswell in the UK until 2014.

Also, there is no indication that the RT and Pro are going to be product lines that are iterated like the iPad.

There will be more Surface products in the future but it could be other kinds of "design points" as Ballmer calls it, there is no guarantee of Surface Pro 2 or Surface RT 2.
cnbcwatcher
21-05-2013
I'm looking forward to seeing the Surface Pro in real life. Who will be selling it? Will it be exclusive to John Lewis?
niceguy1966
22-05-2013
Originally Posted by TheBigM:
“I wouldn't expect to see a Surface Pro with Haswell in the UK until 2014.

Also, there is no indication that the RT and Pro are going to be product lines that are iterated like the iPad.

There will be more Surface products in the future but it could be other kinds of "design points" as Ballmer calls it, there is no guarantee of Surface Pro 2 or Surface RT 2.”

There are never any guarentees of any future products from any manufacturer.
IvanIV
22-05-2013
From what I heard Surface Pro is doing quite well in US. Also W8.1 is coming, they may need another how-to device to show off new features. If they decide to create a 2nd gen Surface Pro they will do well, I think.
PPhilster
22-05-2013
Originally Posted by IvanIV:
“From what I heard Surface Pro is doing quite well in US. Also W8.1 is coming, they may need another how-to device to show off new features. If they decide to create a 2nd gen Surface Pro they will do well, I think.”

I'm American and I have yet to run into someone here with a Surface Pro, and I'm often around many people with different computing devices.
niceguy1966
22-05-2013
Its not surprising you've not seen any. It looks like they have about 2% of current sales, so given that everyone else has had a huge head start, I'd guess at less than 1% of the units on the streets.

http://mspmentor.net/mobile-device-m...-tablet-market
PPhilster
22-05-2013
Originally Posted by niceguy1966:
“Its not surprising you've not seen any. It looks like they have about 2% of current sales, so given that everyone else has had a huge head start, I'd guess at less than 1% of the units on the streets.

http://mspmentor.net/mobile-device-m...-tablet-market”

Even if your figures are correct I would still see them, and I simply haven't seen them.
niceguy1966
23-05-2013
Originally Posted by PPhilster:
“Even if your figures are correct I would still see them, and I simply haven't seen them.”

1) They aren't my figures.
2) The figures are for all Surfaces, not just Pro, so a further reduction in market share needs to be applied.
3) I've re-read the article, and the figures are for "shipments", not sales. It might be that the Surface's are staying on the shelf.
John259
23-05-2013
Originally Posted by niceguy1966:
“the figures are for "shipments", not sales. It might be that the Surface's are staying on the shelf.”

In addition, there have been reports of large numbers of Surface RT tablets being returned when purchasers discovered that it couldn't run Windows EXE programs.
IvanIV
23-05-2013
For what it's worth the Pro is now available at MS store for £719.00 and £799.00 without cover.
niceguy1966
23-05-2013
Originally Posted by IvanIV:
“For what it's worth the Pro is now available at MS store for £719.00 and £799.00 without cover.”

Far too expensive in my opinion.
IvanIV
23-05-2013
Originally Posted by niceguy1966:
“Far too expensive in my opinion.”

Compare it to ultrabooks like Samsung Series 9 (~ £1000?) not tablets. It's a full W8 Pro, state of the art device.
niceguy1966
23-05-2013
Originally Posted by IvanIV:
“Compare it to ultrabooks like Samsung Series 9 (~ £1000?) not tablets. It's a full W8 Pro, state of the art device.”

The devices are so different, I don't see how they can be compared. The most obvious differences are the 15" screen and the number of ports on the Samsung.

But if you are in the majority, the Surface will fly off the shelves. If I'm in the majority, we'll see this sink without trace or have huge price cuts (and I may get a free one in a year like I got my free Surface RT last week).
John259
23-05-2013
I suspect many people will, perhaps unfairly, compare the Surface Pro with the Nexus 10 or the 10" iPad and draw the obvious conclusion.
IvanIV
23-05-2013
Originally Posted by niceguy1966:
“The devices are so different, I don't see how they can be compared. The most obvious differences are the 15" screen and the number of ports on the Samsung.

But if you are in the majority, the Surface will fly off the shelves. If I'm in the majority, we'll see this sink without trace or have huge price cuts (and I may get a free one in a year like I got my free Surface RT last week).”

MacBook Air 11'', Asus Zenbook 11'' then? There are 13'' Samsungs as well.
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