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Old 07-12-2012, 20:12
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I see. I couldn't match the timing of the start of the Kiki stuff with the voting dates. So thanks for pinning on that timescale of events.

I don't really blame Charlie too much though because the initial reactions about the yellow door seemed authentic enough to me.
Although if you offered a big fat bloke a massive fish and chip supper he isn't going to say 'No' is he? He'll gobble it all up.

I do blame the show itself though for corrupting the game when they didn't even need to. They have to contrive their stories don't they? They can't help themselves. They can't ever, you know, just let things happen naturally of their own accord.

I hate the letters from home and phone calls thing in any of these reality game shows anyway. They always strike me as a contrived method of creating drama from an external source if the format of the show is too weak and isn't delivering enough by itself.
The thing is that for this series they didn't even need to do it. It's almost as if they did it just because 'that's what you do' in these shows, so artificially tacked it on.

I'd rather these shows focused on the internal developments within the framework of the environment of the show.
Good series, but this Kiki thing tainted it a little for me.
I think it did corrupt the overall final result, which I think is a bit of a shame.
They can' t run a level playing field though without fundamental changes to their tasks. If you look at Ashley's early successes she did well on tasks that girls could excel in, and similar to those which Stacey had cemented her early lead with. No one else got those tasks. David took the areoplane task for himself - even though Charlie wanted to do it, and said she was Ok with heights. Net result - David gets points and airtime- Charlie doesn't. Unless you have lots of people on group trials that fit those people - and different sorts of trials for the likes of Colin Rosemary and Linda - someone is always going to be better placed. if you introduce an emotional story element for one campmate that can give her more of an advantage or just counter advantages that fell other people's way earlier on.
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Old 07-12-2012, 20:15
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Damn the British public ... And damn the Devil child !!!
My sweet Ashley was robbed at the last minute
I fed up with this world
It is posts like this that make me really glad that Charlie won. The fact that it has annoyed you so much makes it even better.
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Old 07-12-2012, 20:19
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It is posts like this that make me really glad that Charlie won. The fact that it has annoyed you so much makes it even better.
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Old 07-12-2012, 20:40
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It is posts like this that make me really glad that Charlie won. The fact that it has annoyed you so much makes it even better.

: Too funny: I'm so glad Charlie won
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Old 07-12-2012, 21:08
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It is posts like this that make me really glad that Charlie won. The fact that it has annoyed you so much makes it even better.
How gullible are you lot? Obviously that was a windup designed to get a backlash - and look who's benefited. I suspect it was written by a Charlie fan.
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Old 07-12-2012, 21:20
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How gullible are you lot? Obviously that was a windup designed to get a backlash - and look who's benefited.
What are you talking about? We're not gullibleWe're just really glad that Charlie won and we just hate an innocent little girl like Kiki being vilified on a public forum(vilified by the way means to be spoken viciously of)
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Old 07-12-2012, 21:38
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Kiki deserves all the vitriol she gets. She ruined the series.
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Old 07-12-2012, 21:42
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They can' t run a level playing field though without fundamental changes to their tasks. If you look at Ashley's early successes she did well on tasks that girls could excel in, and similar to those which Stacey had cemented her early lead with. No one else got those tasks. David took the areoplane task for himself - even though Charlie wanted to do it, and said she was Ok with heights. Net result - David gets points and airtime- Charlie doesn't. Unless you have lots of people on group trials that fit those people - and different sorts of trials for the likes of Colin Rosemary and Linda - someone is always going to be better placed. if you introduce an emotional story element for one campmate that can give her more of an advantage or just counter advantages that fell other people's way earlier on.
Tasks are tasks though. They can do whatever they wish with tasks.
But when the external world is brought into the equation it undoubtedly corrupts the very premise of the show and the very nature of what it's supposed to be.

It's worse on Big Brother though where they now have friends and family of the housemates voting to evict other housemates.

Keep friends and family the *uck away. And that includes those mawkish letters and phone calls.
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Old 08-12-2012, 00:50
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I'm surprised at the backing Ashley got right from the start.
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Old 08-12-2012, 01:19
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She won it off the back of Kiki, clear child exploitation that we've ever witnessed.
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Old 08-12-2012, 01:24
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Tasks are tasks though. They can do whatever they wish with tasks.
But when the external world is brought into the equation it undoubtedly corrupts the very premise of the show and the very nature of what it's supposed to be.

It's worse on Big Brother though where they now have friends and family of the housemates voting to evict other housemates.

Keep friends and family the *uck away. And that includes those mawkish letters and phone calls.
My thoughts exactly
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Old 08-12-2012, 01:26
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How gullible are you lot? Obviously that was a windup designed to get a backlash - and look who's benefited. I suspect it was written by a Charlie fan.
There are quite a few wind up posts on this thread
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Old 08-12-2012, 12:27
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Oh dear, the overreaction of Charlie winning is embarrassing.
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Old 08-12-2012, 12:38
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I think Charlie got it right...they were both winners, and David was the king.
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Old 08-12-2012, 14:16
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Kiki deserves all the vitriol she gets. She ruined the series.
Ridiculous. It was obviously ruined for you because your favourite didn't win.
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Old 08-12-2012, 14:39
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Yes - amazing that. Charlie was within 0.5% of getting evicted instead of Rosemary. We could so easily have had a different winner - if Rosemary had maybe been a bit nicer to Hugo. That eviction vote 6 was really close between 2nd and 6th - anyone bar Ashley could have gone.

Eviction Vote 6

1 Ashley – 21.39%
2 Hugo – 16.81%
3 David – 15.97%
4 Eric – 15.67%
5 Charlie – 15.33%
6 Rosemary – 14.83%
Jeez, if Rosemary hadn't 'had a go' at Hugo, I'm sure Charlie would most definitely have gone.

Kiki deserves all the vitriol she gets. She ruined the series.
I do hope you are being silly. She is a 7 yr old little girl.
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Old 08-12-2012, 18:42
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Oh dear, the overreaction of Charlie winning is embarrassing.
People aren't overreacting they're just talking.
It's a discussion form and people are just using it to keep the IAC talk going a bit longer.
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Old 08-12-2012, 21:36
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People aren't overreacting they're just talking.
It's a discussion form and people are just using it to keep the IAC talk going a bit longer.
Some are overreacting, some are devastated, some are being nasty about a young girl of 8 years. Unnecessary.
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Old 08-12-2012, 22:46
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The final was UK versus US - with only UK voting. That was why Charlie won the final showdown. You cannot blame it on KIKI
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Old 09-12-2012, 00:50
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Some are overreacting, some are devastated, some are being nasty about a young girl of 8 years. Unnecessary.
Well, one person.

I think the vast majority of people are just chewing the fat.
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Old 09-12-2012, 00:58
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Ashley did well to win over the British public.
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Old 09-12-2012, 03:39
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Jeez, if Rosemary hadn't 'had a go' at Hugo, I'm sure Charlie would most definitely have gone.



I do hope you are being silly. She is a 7 yr old little girl.
Fine line between failure and success during this series. Charlie could have easily went and just about won the whole show. She can count her lucky stars to be honest.
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