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Old 17-12-2012, 14:18
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Well I want Patrick to win, underneath the glitzy facade I think he is much brighter than we are led to believe. He won the last challenge selling those umbrellas when the team who had the onesies should have triumphed.
I have been thinking that as well. After the next task, it will either be Lucy and Ashleigh who are eligible, or Patrick and Maria. If it's Patrick and Maria, I want Patrick to win.
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Old 20-12-2012, 17:55
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patrick is not from liverpool and so is not a scouser. he's one of those annoying people from the other side of the mersey that insist on putting on a scouse accent to sound like they're from Liverpool. he actually lives in greasby which is on the wirral and 8 miles from liverpool.
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Old 20-12-2012, 19:10
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OMG. What if Patrick wins? He probably will and all.
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Old 21-12-2012, 09:02
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It beats me how he ended up being in the final four.
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Old 21-12-2012, 09:23
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Patrick's refusal to work with Maria condemned them both to defeat.
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Old 21-12-2012, 10:38
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I think he could get to the final without actually doing anything..
If he'd done nothing, he'd have had a better chance of winning!

From the first episode (leaving the shopping centre to try and sell his hideous wetsuit thing) to the last (booking the choir despite the obviously correct point that they needed to target a youth market) his decisions generally made things worse for his team.
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Old 21-12-2012, 11:36
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The luckiest contestant surely has to be Tom? One of the worst win/loss records ever, a business plan that Surallen hated, all the interviewers saying not to bother with him, yet he still won.
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Old 21-12-2012, 12:27
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It beats me how he ended up being in the final four.
Well, he was only in the boardroom once, and that was in Week 1 so Sugar wanted to give him another chance.
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Old 21-12-2012, 13:55
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he cost maria a chance to win,idiot

old people in a choir for a brand aimed at the young? too busy doing dance routines than practicing business.
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Old 21-12-2012, 20:15
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he cost maria a chance to win,idiot

old people in a choir for a brand aimed at the young? too busy doing dance routines than practicing business.
Thank goodness for that.
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Old 22-12-2012, 12:04
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Well, he was only in the boardroom once, and that was in Week 1 so Sugar wanted to give him another chance.
I had forgotton about that. For a certainty, his avoiding it again was on the backs of his winning team members' hard work. As the op said, luckiest apprentice contestant ever.
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Old 22-12-2012, 14:13
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The luckiest contestant surely has to be Tom? One of the worst win/loss records ever, a business plan that Surallen hated, all the interviewers saying not to bother with him, yet he still won.
No Tom wasn't the luckiest contestant. In terms of business in the real world where it's lived outside of a crappy television show Tom was the most successful contestant.

Having designed and developed a unique product from concept to final design & packaging, patented it and then got it into two of the biggest retailers in the world.

A fact Sugar must have been aware of from the start, hence his keeping him in because he knew that Tom was a business he wanted in his portfolio and wanted to develop further. Followed through by the fact he rejected Tom's chair business plan in favour of further developing and investing in his existing business.

The Apprentice is a shitty show with no real relevance to the world as its lived in - the "tasks" are entertainment, of course he knows what he wants and who he wants and being a pedant and "winner" in the tasks often bears no relevance to performance in reality.

Sugar wanted to develop beauty brands, so Tom won, it's also telling that he chose to invest after the show in Susan Ma and bring her into his business portfolio, who despite being unfairly painted as a bit of a brat in the show (that was her producer designated role) had built up a successful, profitable skincare business by the age of 21.

Patrick strikes me as someone who may have appeared a weak candidate in the arena of the TV show where chatting crap, screaming and denigrating others makes one a "strong contender" he needs to grow, yes, but of the final four I'd bet he's the one who actually goes on to do something creative, interesting and unique.

Also his choir idea was a good idea had he used a young choir, on bikes, singing "I want to ride my bicycle - it was just the follow through he came a cropper on, but the idea fundamentally was far more impactful that Ashleigh's hackneyed street dancers and crappy urban wear with a profit share to charity. Which was not a "brilliant idea" as she thought but financial suicide.
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Old 22-12-2012, 17:05
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No Tom wasn't the luckiest contestant. In terms of business in the real world where it's lived outside of a crappy television show Tom was the most successful contestant.

Having designed and developed a unique product from concept to final design & packaging, patented it and then got it into two of the biggest retailers in the world.

A fact Sugar must have been aware of from the start, hence his keeping him in because he knew that Tom was a business he wanted in his portfolio and wanted to develop further. Followed through by the fact he rejected Tom's chair business plan in favour of further developing and investing in his existing business.
I'd like to ask that if Sugar knows from the start who he is going to go with, then why was Tom regarded as such a contender throughout the series? I remember that lots of my friends really liked him and wanted him to win, and I believe that reviewers and people on Digital Spy did as well.
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Old 23-12-2012, 00:32
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I'd like to ask that if Sugar knows from the start who he is going to go with, then why was Tom regarded as such a contender throughout the series? I remember that lots of my friends really liked him and wanted him to win, and I believe that reviewers and people on Digital Spy did as well.
Sugar knows exactly what each contestant has achieved, he has their CVs and do you really think the interview stage is the first time he learns of lies etc?

And that's where the almighty power of the edit and producer comes in to guide you in the direction it's all going to go. Tom despite losing continually was never ridiculed, never shown in a deeply unsympathetic light nor his poor task track record strung out for viewer condemnation. From the start he was a good guy and everyone roots for the good guy and underdog - though of course if you actually looked at his CV he was anything but a loser or underdog.
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Old 23-12-2012, 00:53
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I thought yes, Patrick had the best idea for business and investment and probably needed the money most and may have made best use of it.

Lack of common sense on the tasks though and in the final task, Maria even advised him to call before booking the choir and ask what age the people were rather than going ahead and booking them, which he ignored (out of spite? pretentiousness? pride? I can't think of a good reason why not to have done).

Pairing Patrick with Lucy and Ash with Maria would have made for a more interesting final, I think, with each team also then having a person from the fashion retail world on their side which was relevant to the task they were given.
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Old 23-12-2012, 02:12
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Maria even advised him to call before booking the choir and ask what age the people were rather than going ahead and booking them, which he ignored (out of spite? pretentiousness? pride? I can't think of a good reason why not to have done).
Patrick said in a piece to camera justifying the choir booking: "Me and Maria are in the same team but we are also competition. This is the final and I need to show Lord Sugar that I've got a voice too."
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