[greemie]

Just popped into my head as I drove home from work today.


John Lennon died first, clearly the most talented.

Then George went, not a huge amount of solo work but what he did was superb.

Macca must go next to keep up the sequence. He's not done anything decent on his own since the beatles broke up, most of his work is in collaberation with others.

Finally the talent free zone that is Ringo.

[SamMcK]

What a load of bollocks.

[soundstory]

Originally Posted by greemie

He's not done anything decent on his own since the beatles broke up, most of his work is in collaberation with others.

That's debatable

[2shy2007]

They are dying in order of coolness, lucky Paul.

[SamMcK]

The guy that was the co-lead songwriter and singer in the group is less talented than George? (who I am a big fan of) what a joke! Most of the BIG songs are Pauls, Hey Jude, Yesterday, Let It Be, Penny Lane, Eleanor Rigby, Get Back etc. as well as collaborating with John on She Loves You, I want to hold your hand and A Day in the life! From Sgt Pepper onwards Paul was basically the groups leader.

It was probably as close to a 50-50 artistic collaboration as one could hope for!

If Paul wasn't such an embarrassing old fart or he had been the one that died in 1980 maybe he would have got some of the respect he deserves.

[shackfan]

Originally Posted by greemie

Just popped into my head as I drove home from work today.


John Lennon died first, clearly the most talented.

Then George went, not a huge amount of solo work but what he did was superb.

Macca must go next to keep up the sequence. He's not done anything decent on his own since the beatles broke up, most of his work is in collaberation with others.

Finally the talent free zone that is Ringo.

What a bloody charmer you are

[CABLEDUDE]

Originally Posted by greemie

Just popped into my head as I drove home from work today.


John Lennon died first, clearly the most talented.

Then George went, not a huge amount of solo work but what he did was superb.

Macca must go next to keep up the sequence. He's not done anything decent on his own since the beatles broke up, most of his work is in collaberation with others.

Finally the talent free zone that is Ringo.

Thread doesn't even warrant a discussion from there on

[Misty08]

Do lots of highly unoriginal (and moronic) thoughts, that have been had by a billion people before you, pop into your head on a regular basis? Go away and research Paul McCartney`s career properly, there`s a good chap. There`s actually more to it than (ho, ho,) The Frog Chorus.

[Misty08]

Originally Posted by SamMcK

If Paul wasn't such an embarrassing old fart

Shame you had to spoil a good post by saying that.

[phill363]

at least we agree that Ringo was the worst Beatle, thats something right?

[JohnnyForget]

Originally Posted by phill363

at least we agree that Ringo was the worst Beatle, thats something right?

Ringo was less talented than the other three, that is undeniable, and he was not the greatest drummer around at the time, but his style was perfect for the Beatles, so his contribution to the band should be seen as just as important as that of the other three.

If the Beatles had a really great drummer, like say, Keith Moon, Ginger Baker or John Bonham, it would have just sounded wrong!

[SamMcK]

I think I saw a quote somewhere recently that said to most critics, Paul McCartney's biggest sin is that he wasn't John Lennon.

Seeing as the poster's in his 40's i'm guessing he became a fan around or after the time of Lennon's death and as such has agreed with the idea since then that he was the most talented by far and Paul was only good because John was there.
Lets look at some of the songs Paul is responsible for writing in the group: (no.1's in bold)

I Saw Her Standing There
All My Loving
Can't Buy Me Love
And I Love Her
Things We Said Today
Yesterday
Drive My Car
Michelle
Paperback Writer
Eleanor Rigby
Yellow Submarine
Here, There And Everywhere
For No One
Got To Get You into My Life
Penny Lane
Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
With A Little Help From My Friends
She's Leaving Home
Hello Goodbye
Magical Mystery Tour
The Fool On The Hill
Lady Madonna
Hey Jude
Back In The USSR
Blackbird
I Will
Helter Skelter
Get Back
You Never Give Me Your Money
Golden Slumbers/Carry That Weight/The End
Let It Be
Two Of Us
The Long And Winding Road

Paul McCartney was much more prolific and wrote most of their hits post-'66 including 10 out of the 14 no.1's! He wrote almost 2/3rds of Sgt Pepper their most famous album! However they needed each other because other wise they became too self indulgent.
I realise i'm just starting to sound like a McCartney apologist but I like both Lennon and McCartney equally and as any Beatles fan who has more than a bit of knowledge about the group should know they both contributed in equal measure regardless of whether you like his musical output or not. Although in recent years the man often comes across as uncool he deserves respect for his contribution to popular music. I love George but he only contributed two songs to each album which up until The White Album were never really the highlights of the album. John is very dominant in the group up through 1965 but afterwards there was a noticeable shift between Lennon and McCartney particularly after they became a strictly studio band.

Also, you say Paul hasn't anything decent since that bands breakup? Ridiculous, and Paul has only done a handful of collaborations in his entire 40 year solo career! Why would you think that's what he mainly does unless you haven't really payed attention to his solo output? Anyway he doesn't have as strong a career post-Beatles but none of them did and he is often unfair maligned by people that haven't listened to much of his output besides 'the hits' which aren't particularly among his best work.

Here are some post-Beatles songs to check out:

Maybe I'm Amazed
Every Night
Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey
The Backseat Of My Car
Band On The Run
1985
Live And Let Die
Listen To What The Man Said
I'm Carrying
Daytime Nightime Suffering
Coming Up
Tug of War
Wanderlust
My Brave Face
This One
Calico Skies
Beautiful Night
Only Mama Knows

Edit: and Misty08 I apologize for calling Paul an embarrasing old fart but I do cringe at some of his antics these days interview wise as well as performance wise, at least when he's singing on TV.

[Multimedia81]

Unfortunate time of year for this thread. It was on December 8th that John Lennon was shot and the news reached us in the UK on December 9th.

[Deep Purple]

This is one of the most ridiculous topics I've ever seen.

John and Paul were extreme talents from the outset, and George developed into one, no doubt helped by being with the other two.

All three wrote some amazing songs, and the only difference between their qualities is personal preference.

They all did some great post Beatles stuff too, but for John and George the standards dropped offafter their early great solo work. Pauls solo stuff has varied throughout his much longer career, but to suggest he is a lesser talent than the other two is simply ridiculous.

As for Ringo, he was a very good drummer, and perfect for completing The Beatles line up.

[my name is joe]

I'm not convinced Lennon is more talented than McCartney, it's just seen that way cos he didn't release a frog based song

Harrison wrote a few great songs but his sitar twiddling nonsense marred the Beatles best albums for me, and there's no case for calling him more talented than Paul.

and Ringo was clearly the best vocalist

[mialicious]

Originally Posted by my name is joe

I'm not convinced Lennon is more talented than McCartney, it's just seen that way cos he didn't release a frog based song

Harrison wrote a few great songs but his sitar twiddling nonsense marred the Beatles best albums for me, and there's no case for calling him more talented than Paul.

and Ringo was clearly the best vocalist

'hello thomas said the fat controller'

[bryemycaz]

Originally Posted by my name is joe

I'm not convinced Lennon is more talented than McCartney, it's just seen that way cos he didn't release a frog based song

Harrison wrote a few great songs but his sitar twiddling nonsense marred the Beatles best albums for me, and there's no case for calling him more talented than Paul.

and Ringo was clearly the best vocalist

Its quite evenly matched, I think and yes people bring up the Frog chorus as evidence of a ruibbish song by Paul. What about the drivel that is Revolution 9 that John wrote.

[Aries_123]

Originally Posted by greemie

Just popped into my head as I drove home from work today.


John Lennon died first, clearly the most talented.

Then George went, not a huge amount of solo work but what he did was superb.

Macca must go next to keep up the sequence. He's not done anything decent on his own since the beatles broke up, most of his work is in collaberation with others.

Finally the talent free zone that is Ringo.

nice

[sheila blige]

Originally Posted by greemie

Just popped into my head as I drove home from work today.


John Lennon died first, clearly the most talented.

Then George went, not a huge amount of solo work but what he did was superb.

Macca must go next to keep up the sequence. He's not done anything decent on his own since the beatles broke up, most of his work is in collaberation with others.

Finally the talent free zone that is Ringo.

I don't think your theory holds water. If it was most talented first - then I think Paul would have passed on first. I don't even like McCartney that much - but it was the songs that had the most input from him that I much prefer (with just one or two John exceptions).

But you're right about Ringo. The best thing Ringo ever did was Thomas The Tank ... and even then Michael Angelis did it better!

[gomezz]

Simply noting that Stuart Sutcliffe was the first Beatle to die blows this theory out of the water.

[Tel69]

What a horrible and nasty thread. Poster with low post count starts a troll thread and doesn't come back to back up their claims.

[mr_wonderful]

Why do people rise to the bait so easily?

[meglosmurmurs]

Hmm bit of a badly timed thread.

Don't know about in order of talent because that's a rather questionable trait. One person's classic song is another person's tedious nightmare, and you can't measure it by success either, as it doesn't always come to the most talented in the music business, as we're especially learning in recent years.

Though I am rather sad with the fact that John is by far my favourite Beatle, with George next. So I'm not having much luck really.

[rumandlime]

in life,the truth is usually far less spectacular than the fiction.

the fiction is clearly that the raw genius of 'lennon' clearly sparked everything remotely brilliant in the beatles canon.
the truth however will tell you [one day im sure] that the sheer hardwork,talent and musicianship of both 'paul mccartney' and 'george martin' [not george harrison] where indeed the significant factor in the beatles amazing body of work.

but of course paul and george martin are both getting very old and neither is exactly 'hip' anymore....added to that georges hearing has deserted him and so too has pauls once amazing singing voice.....

but in a straight bat between lennon/mccartney as far as talent goes then mccartney wins hands down as a musician/singer and songwriter [although lennon was possibly the better wordsmith.mccartneys melodies remain the main reason the beatles work remains so enduring]

[SamMcK]

Originally Posted by rumandlime

in life,the truth is usually far less spectacular than the fiction.

the fiction is clearly that the raw genius of 'lennon' clearly sparked everything remotely brilliant in the beatles canon.
the truth however will tell you [one day im sure] that the sheer hardwork,talent and musicianship of both 'paul mccartney' and 'george martin' [not george harrison] where indeed the significant factor in the beatles amazing body of work.

but of course paul and george martin are both getting very old and neither is exactly 'hip' anymore....added to that georges hearing has deserted him and so too has pauls once amazing singing voice.....

but in a straight bat between lennon/mccartney as far as talent goes then mccartney wins hands down as a musician/singer and songwriter [although lennon was possibly the better wordsmith.mccartneys melodies remain the main reason the beatles work remains so enduring]

They are both equal in the group in my eyes but Paul undoubtedly kept the group going post-Pepper when John got lazy, and just look at some of the songs McCartney wrote during 63-69, 66-67 in particular being highlights for me.

1963-1964
I Saw Her Standing There
All My Loving
Can't Buy Me Love
And I Love Her
Things We Said Today
She's A Woman
I'll Follow The Sun
Eight Days A Week

1965
I'm Down
The Night Before
Another Girl
I've Just Seen A Face
Yesterday
Drive My Car
You Won't See Me
Michelle
I'm Looking Through You
We Can Work It Out

1966
Paperback Writer
Eleanor Rigby
Here, There And Everywhere
Yellow Submarine
Good Day Sunshine
For No One
Got To Get You Into My Life

1967
Penny Lane
When I'm 64
Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
Getting Better
Fixing A Hole
She's Leaving Home
Lovely Rita
The Fool On The Hill
Your Mother Should Know
Hello Goodbye

1968
Lady Madonna
Hey Jude
Back In The U.S.S.R.
Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da
Martha My Dear
Blackbird
I Will
Mother Nature's Son
Birthday
Helter Skelter
Honey Pie

1969
All Together Now
Get Back
Oh Darling
You Never Give Me Your Money
She Came In Through The Bathroom Window
Golden Slumbers/Carry That Weight/The End
Two Of Us
Let It Be
I've Got A Feeling
The Long And Winding Road

That's not including collaborations like Day Tripper, She Loves You, I Want To Hold Your Hand, Love Me Do, A Day In The Life ect.