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I don't know if it's just the editing - it could well be - but i think Maria's attitude stinks. Yes, she's clearly determined and capable but her constant snide remarks and attacks on others irritate me. She seems to think you have to be a bitch to be successful.
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My thoughts exactly. She won't go far with that attitude, temper, presumption. Not only in the show but beyond it.
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I don't think they're terrified of her, they've commented that they find her hard to work with. She seems to have toned her behaviour down a little, but she won't win.
So, even she thinks she's hard to work with. They then found out they had lost the task, and sparks flew. |
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Maria was not the PM. I don't think she had any responsibility for the costs. Andrew incurred the high costs, acting pretty much on his own as he'd had little direction on that (or any) point from Alice.
I don't think Maria is the likeliest winner, but I think she's now in the top half of the table, so to speak. She's shown that she can bring herself under control (compare her on this task to her behaviour on the recipe book task) and she has drive and ideas. And criticism by Nick is not a healthy sign. Re 'She's shown that she can bring herself under control (compare her on this task to her behaviour on the recipe book task)', obviously I need to watch the book task again as in my opinion she's terrible now so she must have been atrocious back then! When she simmers, she may be holding herself back successfully but it is still scary to watch and I wouldn't want to do business with her or be physically anywhere near her. In my opinion, there is a glut of young better people than her, many of whom no doubt applied to the programme and were rejected because the producers knew Maria would make better TV. And she does make great TV. I'm not criticising your opinion, Dave - you see something in her that I don't and that's fine & healthy. |
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Anyone remember the much-reviled Zoe in the first series of TYA? Zoe was a bit domineering and bossy, but I don't feel she was ever unkind. I liked her. |
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Re 'Maria was not the PM. I don't think she had any responsibility for the costs' you are right. My point was that Nick commented that Maria wanted to charge even more. That doesn't suggest business nous, regardless of that she was not PM. The price (at £16/£13) was already ludicrously high and she wanted to charge even more.
And criticism by Nick is not a healthy sign. Re 'She's shown that she can bring herself under control (compare her on this task to her behaviour on the recipe book task)', obviously I need to watch the book task again as in my opinion she's terrible now so she must have been atrocious back then! When she simmers, she may be holding herself back successfully but it is still scary to watch and I wouldn't want to do business with her or be physically anywhere near her. In my opinion, there is a glut of young better people than her, many of whom no doubt applied to the programme and were rejected because the producers knew Maria would make better TV. And she does make great TV. I'm not criticising your opinion, Dave - you see something in her that I don't and that's fine & healthy. I don't didrespect Nick, but nor do I necessarily accept him as always right; there have been a number of occasions where he's turned out to be wrong. I accept Maria is still having to make an effort to keep her difficult tendencies under control, but she is clearly making the effort. And it is interesting to note that the other contestants do seem to like her (in contrast to Amy and Andrew, for instance, who didn't seem to be much liked). |
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I agree she'd misinterpreted the market research; they'd found one or two people willing to pay higher prices and she made too much of them. The fact does remain, though, that the overspend was the task-killer; it left them in a situation where they had to charge a high price to stand any chance of recouping their costs.
I don't didrespect Nick, but nor do I necessarily accept him as always right; there have been a number of occasions where he's turned out to be wrong. I accept Maria is still having to make an effort to keep her difficult tendencies under control, but she is clearly making the effort. And it is interesting to note that the other contestants do seem to like her (in contrast to Amy and Andrew, for instance, who didn't seem to be much liked). That task went wrong when the PM plus one spent all that time in a posh London tearoom having high tea and convincing themselves to go for high quality. The market research was always going to be silly as it the audience sampled was different to the one where they were going and the London sample was made up of people who probably did take high tea at the Waldorf or in Regent's street and others who would think their local cafe was expensive. To be fair , Lord Sugar was the one who pointed them towards quality food when he announced the task, and if David had lost he would probably have criticised the other team for feeding people something too cheap. |
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To be fair , Lord Sugar was the one who pointed them towards quality food when he announced the task,.
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Re 'Maria was not the PM. I don't think she had any responsibility for the costs' you are right. My point was that Nick commented that Maria wanted to charge even more. That doesn't suggest business nous, regardless of that she was not PM. The price (at £16/£13) was already ludicrously high and she wanted to charge even more.
And criticism by Nick is not a healthy sign. Re 'She's shown that she can bring herself under control (compare her on this task to her behaviour on the recipe book task)', obviously I need to watch the book task again as in my opinion she's terrible now so she must have been atrocious back then! When she simmers, she may be holding herself back successfully but it is still scary to watch and I wouldn't want to do business with her or be physically anywhere near her. In my opinion, there is a glut of young better people than her, many of whom no doubt applied to the programme and were rejected because the producers knew Maria would make better TV. And she does make great TV. I'm not criticising your opinion, Dave - you see something in her that I don't and that's fine & healthy. On receiving the freshly printed books, Steven opened one and said: "There is a few spelling mistakes" (sic). There's no hope. |
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I did and oh boy!
On receiving the freshly printed books, Steven opened one and said: "There is a few spelling mistakes" (sic). There's no hope. ...and Lucy said she wanted 1 million sales. Maria bulldozed Sean into a bad decision (target a niche market and at the same time ignore the focus group). Andrew was always against that decision. It was Steven who had the excellent idea for the cartoon cookbook (I had forgotten that). In the boardroom, Maria refused to believe that the concept (targeting a niche market) was wrong. When Sugar said "How do you solve a problem like Maria?", Nick smiled. Maria replied that she was loud on this task because she was in a team of all boys. Yeah, right. When she is in mixed teams she is shy & retiring. Sugar kept Maria. There are at least two possibilities: he kept her for TV ratings or he likes people like her. |
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Innumerable times when Nick has been wrong or just supported the nearest passing male public school type, or failing that, anyone male.
That task went wrong when the PM plus one spent all that time in a posh London tearoom having high tea and convincing themselves to go for high quality. The market research was always going to be silly as it the audience sampled was different to the one where they were going and the London sample was made up of people who probably did take high tea at the Waldorf or in Regent's street and others who would think their local cafe was expensive. To be fair , Lord Sugar was the one who pointed them towards quality food when he announced the task, and if David had lost he would probably have criticised the other team for feeding people something too cheap. Quote:
Yeah he did blahdy say that didn't he? Then it don't blahdy matter in the end. As for research, were they allowed to do the sensible thing and phone up loads of other country houses and find out how much tea and cakes cost there? That's what any real business would do, but they probably weren't allowed, and of course we the viewers must never know what bizarre restrictions are in place.
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.. and Lucy was awful - rude to the extent that her sub-team complained about it.
...and Lucy said she wanted 1 million sales. Maria bulldozed Sean into a bad decision (target a niche market and at the same time ignore the focus group). Andrew was always against that decision. It was Steven who had the excellent idea for the cartoon cookbook (I had forgotten that). In the boardroom, Maria refused to believe that the concept (targeting a niche market) was wrong. When Sugar said "How do you solve a problem like Maria?", Nick smiled. Maria replied that she was loud on this task because she was in a team of all boys. Yeah, right. When she is in mixed teams she is shy & retiring. Sugar kept Maria. There are at least two possibilities: he kept her for TV ratings or he likes people like her. Series 1 - Saira. Series 2 - Ruth. Series 3 - Well, there were two really - Jadine and Katie. Series 4 - Claire. Series 5 - Debra. Junior Apprentice Series 1: Zoe. Series 6 - Joanna. Series 7 - Melody. Young Apprentice Series 2: Oddly, I don't think there was one in that series. Series 8 - Was the biggest exception, because I thought the loudest girl was Bilyana, and she was fired in Week 1. An unusual decision by Sugar. And obviously, this year it's Maria. I didn't think Lucy behaved badly when she was Project Manager. She didn't get on with the sub-team, but she had asked them to get recipes, they had only got ingredients which held them up, as they had to write the recipes when they were making them. Then they sub-team moaned that they weren't getting pictures through, Lucy muttered, 'Well, we know why that was,' and then quickly added, 'We're not doing this now,' as she obviously didn't want to cause an argument. Then Alice screamed down the phone that Lucy was a really bad PM, which was totally uncalled for and was tantamount to bullying in my opinion. If I was working on something and someone spoke to me the way that Alice spoke to Lucy, it would really upset me, and although I would try to compose myself, it would undoubtedly affect the way I did the work - and I have had experiences like that as well. It's worth noting that only the sub-team had a problem with Lucy - Steven and Navdeep were on her side entirely, and were prepared to stick up for her in the boardroom. Although I agree that she was stupidly optimistic when hoping for a million orders, especially as Jane was ripped apart for asking for that in this year's adult series. At least she didn't say it to a buyer. |
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Series 8 - Was the biggest exception, because I thought the loudest girl was Bilyana, and she was fired in Week 1. An unusual decision by Sugar.
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I have to say, women are hardly a niche market. There are more women than students in the UK for sure...
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Bilyana's trouble is that she couldn't sense when the time had come to shut up. Paloma had the same issue. All the others you mentioned knew when Sugar had had enough.
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Yeah he did blahdy say that didn't he? Then it don't blahdy matter in the end. As for research, were they allowed to do the sensible thing and phone up loads of other country houses and find out how much tea and cakes cost there? That's what any real business would do, but they probably weren't allowed, and of course we the viewers must never know what bizarre restrictions are in place.
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Sure - but why do they never/so rarely tell us viewers what the restrictions are?
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Well yeah, but neither could Syed or Stuart, and it didn't do them any harm.
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she better not win i cant stand her she deserves a big slap in the face reasons why i detest her
1) she bossy 2) she doesn't listen to others 3) its her way or the highway 4) she thinks shes better than everyone else 5) she thinks her ideas are the bees knees 6) shes deluded 7) shes a nasty piece of work 8) she will stab anyone in the back if threatened 9) its never her fault when they fail 10) always pushing blame on others in boardroom ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
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she better not win i cant stand her she deserves a big slap in the face reasons why i detest her
1) she bossy 2) she doesn't listen to others 3) its her way or the highway 4) she thinks shes better than everyone else 5) she thinks her ideas are the bees knees 6) shes deluded 7) shes a nasty piece of work 8) she will stab anyone in the back if threatened 9) its never her fault when they fail 10) always pushing blame on others in boardroom ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
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Go Team Maria. I hope she wins.
If she doesn't win, then Ash to win. Please not Patrick or Lucy. |
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she better not win i cant stand her she deserves a big slap in the face reasons why i detest her
1) she bossy 2) she doesn't listen to others 3) its her way or the highway 4) she thinks shes better than everyone else 5) she thinks her ideas are the bees knees 6) shes deluded 7) shes a nasty piece of work 8) she will stab anyone in the back if threatened 9) its never her fault when they fail 10) always pushing blame on others |
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.. and Lucy was awful - rude to the extent that her sub-team complained about it.
...and Lucy said she wanted 1 million sales. Maria bulldozed Sean into a bad decision (target a niche market and at the same time ignore the focus group). Andrew was always against that decision. It was Steven who had the excellent idea for the cartoon cookbook (I had forgotten that). In the boardroom, Maria refused to believe that the concept (targeting a niche market) was wrong. When Sugar said "How do you solve a problem like Maria?", Nick smiled. Maria replied that she was loud on this task because she was in a team of all boys. Yeah, right. When she is in mixed teams she is shy & retiring. Sugar kept Maria. There are at least two possibilities: he kept her for TV ratings or he likes people like her. |
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she better not win i cant stand her she deserves a big slap in the face reasons why i detest her
1) she bossy 2) she doesn't listen to others 3) its her way or the highway 4) she thinks shes better than everyone else 5) she thinks her ideas are the bees knees 6) shes deluded 7) shes a nasty piece of work 8) she will stab anyone in the back if threatened 9) its never her fault when they fail 10) always pushing blame on others in boardroom ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() 2. They are all prone to this 3. I've seen a number of people saying its my decision and I'm not changing - she's not one 4. Does she? How do you know? Not seen this 5. Show me a 16 year old who doesn't 6. About what? 7. Is she? What nasty thing has she done? They all seem to quite like her from what I see 8. Who has she stabbed in the back? 9. True, but she's not alone in that 10. Is that not the point of the boardroom You don't need to like her but the strength of your dislike is a bit irrational |
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No its entirely rational she is a nightmare. She's been better the last couple of weeks though. But still an awful person.
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I think you have to bear in mind that for the purposes of TV candidates' characteristics end up being exaggerated somewhat so we have clearly identified characters. But Maria was a nightmare for many of the early weeks (as was Ashleigh) - but has been shown to have a more reasonable side in recent weeks.
I wouldn't want her working for me, but then she is still just a teenager. I'm willing to bet that most of us wouldn't have acted particularly professionally at that age. I know I wouldn't have, and I've gone on to have a successful career in business. For me, Lucy is the best balanced of the finalists, although she is perhaps not forceful enough at times. Patrick's decision-making and business instincts seem very poor. Ashleigh is a one-trick pony - she's very loud and her only strategy is to cut costs. Sorry, but anyone can do that. She has shown zero creativity and zero entrepreneurial qualities so far. Maria's business ability may not be bad, but we've had little chance to see them. For all the flak she took over how crap a product Strexy was last week, she nailed it in terms of keeping the whole brand message consistent. It was a crap product, yes, but the campaign, packaging and slogan/name all hung together well. Chameleon's didn't, despite being a better looking product. Anyhow, the long and the short of it is that I think Maria is now second favourite behind Lucy. |
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