Terry if that is fact, maybe make it a spoiler for those of us who like to watch the result shows on Sundays.

That was only part of what he said. If he had just said that, then it wouldnt have been so bad but it was the nasty way he said. I think we are flogging a dead horse with you cause you obviously cant see what we are getting at.

NB. Posters please bear in mind persons who do not want to know the result until tomorrow.

Nicky started off dancing boyband disco style, and carried on doing the same, i.e. he bent his knees from week 1 thru week 10 in all ballroom dances, thus losing the vertical grace. Fred Astaire never danced elegant ballroom squatting down like he was on the toilet.

Karen cannot be a good teacher if she cannot get Lesson 1 through to Nick after 10 weeks.

As for Zoe, if she is going to be ITT hostess, it is not helpful to take sides and get into a Strictly brawl.

I know, right? I'm hopeless at noticing mistakes, but even I noticed Lisa's.Like you, I didn't see Nicky make any obvious mistakes.

I didn't even like Nicky's dance (and I think that Nicky is a little deluded about his ability) but I didn't like the way that Craig spoke to him. That's my problem - he could have criticised his dance in a nicer way. There was no attempt at constructive criticism.

I agree with you re Karen's teaching abilities as I do think that one of the other pros may have made more progress with Nicky's dancing. I did, however, feel sorry for her when I saw this pic.

http://instagram.com/p/S_MFG4H6MJ/

As for Zoe, I think she was only expressing an opinion in the heat of the moment.

Right about what? Craig is a piece of work who is probably very lonely.

Nicky is a multi multimillionaire and Karen is trying to make a living, probably not a good one. GBP do not appear to have warmed to her, possibly not just because of an unsuccessful pairing. Maybe Karen would be better off for herself in USA next year.

Craig was very vicious in John Sergeant's year and played a major part in the bust-up (he openly said on ITT it was his job to educate the public). Perhaps Craig could be asked to give a dance demo on TV now and again, to pracitse what he preaches.

Exactly!!

It doesn't take a degree in rocket science to know that the judges have double standards. Lisa's faults, mistakes and lack of technique goes unnoticed by our so called judges and every fault of Nicky's gets pointed out. Hardly fair and I admire Zoe for saying so. If Karen had been on duty she would have mentioned Lisa's faults too and that is just the worst example of it. The judging tonight was a farce. I don't expect my favourite to win and I am quite happy for them to go if others are better. I have watched every series so far but tonight was the last programme I shall ever watch.

Wouldn't it be great if one of the celebrities one day challenged a judge live on the show after their dance on their inconsistencies by making a comparison to one of their fellow competitors (i.e. Nicky speaking up about Lisa). I wonder how the judges, celebs, public and producers would react to such a reaction.

Craig can be the harsh judge if he likes as he has in the past but he has to be consistent and he has to be fair. I have often disliked the way he spoke to celebs but I have usually understood what he was getting at. This year he has been totally inconsistent and tonight was the worst example of that. Craig has suffered most this year from selective blindness and ridiculous marks.

That would take a lot of courage.
James Jordon did challenge Craig one night on the show and Craig had to back off. I can't remember what it was about. However the pros make a lot more money on Strictly than off(not as much as the so called over paid judges of course) so it is not a good idea for them to rebel.

Craig didn't have to say that. It was uncalled for, no matter who was dancing or their level of skill. Nicky had a pair of dances that were hard dances individually, neither of which he had done before (and no, an American Smooth may be based upon a foxtrot, but they're not the same dance) and which didn't fuse well together in the first place. He was screwed from the start. The least the judges could have done was accept that he made a good effort at the dance (you know, like they did for Lisa).

Zoe might have kept silent, but she chose not to because she saw it as wrong. And...I might be misremembering, but didn't she call Craig out on his marking/comments on ITT earlier this series? It's not really a surprise that she might have an opinion on the matter.

I don't remember it ever happening live, but I do remember quite a few pros/celebs attacking the scores obtained by a competitor specifically (Dominic Littlewood calling Matt Di Angelo overmarked, Erin saying that Zoe was overmarked, Brendan & Lisa both spending the entire last month of their series saying that the judges were favouring the male contestants) and it's never looked good on them.

Given that Lisa is clearly more popular with the public than Nicky is, I really doubt it would do him much good. It'd just look like poor sportsmanship.

Bruce called Craig rude on live TV

I totally agree, I stated as much on another thread tonight. He was vicious and considering his marking of others who've failed to progress or have remained at the same level since the beginning his comments to Nicky were not fair. Everyone should have the same treatment and there wasn't anything constructive in what he said. It reminded me of him in previous series.

I get why the celebs might be reluctant incase it was held against them in some way but why can't Brucie do it?
I assume thats what he's there for, to ask questions. Maybe not state the other celeb's name as that may be seen as not being impartial but he could challenge and question instead of agreeing/disagreeing and coming up with his own critiques instead. I've seen presenters do it on other reality shows, just a thought.

if he made the same comments about Victoria i'll bet you wouldn't agree with them.

I didn't realise Lisa was starring in a new show written by Craig.

http://completelytheatres.blogspot.c...mcfly-and.html

Hmmm.

The last time I remember the judges being as harsh as this was the year Kara won. They tore into Matt Baker regularly. He was more popular than Nicky and came second. The audience loved his routines with Aliona but the judges often criticised her choreography too. Like Nicky and Karen they had watch others get different treatment. I complained to the BBC then and I did tonight. I like everyone to be treated the fairly. I don't mind criticism but it has to be fair.

It was more the way he said it more than anything. It was quite vicious.
Compare that to his almost apologetic way of saying to Lisa that the judges have to look at the specifics now.

Poor Karen, I hope she's ok and not blaming herself too much for Nicky's shortcomings. I don't think much love is coming her way from Nicky.

I agree Zoe should stay nuteral.