Originally Posted by henrywilliams58:
“Bruce called Craig rude on live TV”
“Bruce called Craig rude on live TV”
Yes, Bruce should be given some credit for that. He even said it more than once for emphasis so good on him.
Michael & Zoe slate Craig on twitter
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Yes, Bruce should be given some credit for that. He even said it more than once for emphasis so good on him.
Craig being rude shocker 
I don't mind that. What I do mind is that now he has no integrity, one minute he's harsh, picking at smallest things and the next he ignores an elephant in the room.
I don't mind that. What I do mind is that now he has no integrity, one minute he's harsh, picking at smallest things and the next he ignores an elephant in the room.
Originally Posted by Stupid_Head:
“I didn't realise Lisa was starring in a new show written by Craig.
http://completelytheatres.blogspot.c...mcfly-and.html
Hmmm.”
“I didn't realise Lisa was starring in a new show written by Craig.
http://completelytheatres.blogspot.c...mcfly-and.html
Hmmm.”
Well, that explains a lot about what's been going on. Craig is not going to criticise the "star" of his show even if it's well deserved. He will continue to praise her to the end even if she forgets all her steps and dances a hokey-cokey.
Originally Posted by TerryM22:
“I believe that Craig was right.”
“I believe that Craig was right.”
Give over, you couldn't possibly agree with his uncalled for and unjust remarks. I know you're probably Lisa Riley's number one fan, but two wrongs don't make a right. Nicky was crucified by Craig and it wasn't necessary
Originally Posted by maggie_07:
“Well, that explains a lot about what's been going on. Craig is not going to criticise the "star" of his show even if it's well deserved. He will continue to praise her to the end even if she forgets all her steps and dances a hokey-cokey.”
“Well, that explains a lot about what's been going on. Craig is not going to criticise the "star" of his show even if it's well deserved. He will continue to praise her to the end even if she forgets all her steps and dances a hokey-cokey.”
At this stage a good hokey-cokey would be better than the appalling displays herself and Robin have been passing off as "dancing".
Originally Posted by Scarlett Berry:
“At this stage a good hokey-cokey would be better than the appalling displays herself and Robin have been passing off as "dancing".”
“At this stage a good hokey-cokey would be better than the appalling displays herself and Robin have been passing off as "dancing".
”
I think that this is unfair.
Craig & Arlene used to do this all the time. He's actually toned down his bitchiness in recent series.
I think it's totally unprofessional, but he apparently doesn't...
I think it's totally unprofessional, but he apparently doesn't...
Originally Posted by Daisy_M:
“ I did, however, feel sorry for her when I saw this pic.
http://instagram.com/p/S_MFG4H6MJ/
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“ I did, however, feel sorry for her when I saw this pic.
http://instagram.com/p/S_MFG4H6MJ/
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How beautiful does she look there! Lovely.
Why the sudden surprise? Craig has often been extremely rude in the past - "dance disahaster" and similar. He was quite right - Nicky's dance was dreadful. I've always respected him for being the only one with the courage to say it like it is. I don't always agree with his marks - it would be incredible if everybody agreed about every performance - but he does his best to mark genuinely. That's been the refreshing thing about Darcy this year - we have another judge who is prepared to do the same thing. She's not acerbic like Craig, but does not try to be artificial like Len and Bruno, with their pre-prepared puns or OTT gesturing.
Craig has never acknowledged hard work, he deems it irrelevant. Would he mention it if a celeb had worked only two hours but nevertheless produced the best performance? No. He feels that the thing that matters is what you bring to the dance floor. Nicky's dance was pretty much without any redeeming features, particularly at this point in the series. Craig did not hesitate to say so.
Craig has never acknowledged hard work, he deems it irrelevant. Would he mention it if a celeb had worked only two hours but nevertheless produced the best performance? No. He feels that the thing that matters is what you bring to the dance floor. Nicky's dance was pretty much without any redeeming features, particularly at this point in the series. Craig did not hesitate to say so.
Originally Posted by CloneClown:
“Wouldn't it be great if one of the celebrities one day challenged a judge live on the show after their dance on their inconsistencies by making a comparison to one of their fellow competitors (i.e. Nicky speaking up about Lisa). I wonder how the judges, celebs, public and producers would react to such a reaction.”
“Wouldn't it be great if one of the celebrities one day challenged a judge live on the show after their dance on their inconsistencies by making a comparison to one of their fellow competitors (i.e. Nicky speaking up about Lisa). I wonder how the judges, celebs, public and producers would react to such a reaction.”
I see what you are getting at and agree in principle. However, it would be a bit cruel to the other contestant involved.
Don't get me wrong, I have sympathy for Nicky and I am not particularly a Lisa fan, but the problem lies with the judge's inconsistencies, if there was a way to bring it up without humiliating the other contestant then I would be all for it.
But I don't know how it could be said without upsetting the other contestant.
Originally Posted by maggie_07:
“Well, that explains a lot about what's been going on. Craig is not going to criticise the "star" of his show even if it's well deserved. He will continue to praise her to the end even if she forgets all her steps and dances a hokey-cokey.”
“Well, that explains a lot about what's been going on. Craig is not going to criticise the "star" of his show even if it's well deserved. He will continue to praise her to the end even if she forgets all her steps and dances a hokey-cokey.”
OMG. All is revealed.
Zoe is an ex contestant, good but not the best in 10 years. She is expected to hold personal opinions and is welcome to them. But as chairperson of ITT she needs to be seen as impartial, just as Craig needs to be seen as impartial re marks for his forthcoming £££ business partner Lisa.
Zoe bit her tongue when her father Jonny was wrongly diagnosed by Dr Craig as having a nervous disorder. If Zoe changes her hat and becomes a combatant, then there is no more impartial chairperson on ITT, i.e. like the referee starting to score goals and land punches. Regrettably therefore, Zoe like the Speaker of the House of Commons must remain impartial, giving both sides a fair say.
Zoe bit her tongue when her father Jonny was wrongly diagnosed by Dr Craig as having a nervous disorder. If Zoe changes her hat and becomes a combatant, then there is no more impartial chairperson on ITT, i.e. like the referee starting to score goals and land punches. Regrettably therefore, Zoe like the Speaker of the House of Commons must remain impartial, giving both sides a fair say.
I did agree with Craig's comments about the quality of the dance. The American Smooth aspect was so poor that I would have assumed they were fusing the Samba with the Tango if the announcer hadn't said otherwise. His posture is terrible, he puts far too much force into every movement and his knees were constantly bent. However, the "we'll be seeing that dance again" line was rude and mean.
Originally Posted by soulmate61:
“Zoe is an ex contestant, good but not the best in 10 years. She is expected to hold personal opinions and is welcome to them. But as chairperson of ITT she needs to be seen as impartial, just as Craig needs to be seen as impartial re marks for his forthcoming £££ business partner Lisa.
Zoe bit her tongue when her father Jonny was wrongly diagnosed by Dr Craig as having a nervous disorder. If Zoe changes her hat and becomes a combatant, then there is no more impartial chairperson on ITT, i.e. like the referee starting to score goals and land punches. Regrettably therefore, Zoe like the Speaker of the House of Commons must remain impartial, giving both sides a fair say.”
“Zoe is an ex contestant, good but not the best in 10 years. She is expected to hold personal opinions and is welcome to them. But as chairperson of ITT she needs to be seen as impartial, just as Craig needs to be seen as impartial re marks for his forthcoming £££ business partner Lisa.
Zoe bit her tongue when her father Jonny was wrongly diagnosed by Dr Craig as having a nervous disorder. If Zoe changes her hat and becomes a combatant, then there is no more impartial chairperson on ITT, i.e. like the referee starting to score goals and land punches. Regrettably therefore, Zoe like the Speaker of the House of Commons must remain impartial, giving both sides a fair say.”
I agree Zoe's opinions should be kept to herself.
Originally Posted by TerryM22:
“I think that this is unfair.”
“I think that this is unfair.”
No it's not and you know it, so stop being contentious
Originally Posted by Daisy_M:
“I was amazed at that. I was waiting for them to say something but not a word was mentioned until it came to Len! I haven't a clue about dancing but even I could see that Lisa made a complete hash of the Cha Cha and it didn't even warrant a mention by 3 out of the 4 judges. Nicky probably performed his routine correctly at least - I can't state that as a fact, because I don't know.”
“I was amazed at that. I was waiting for them to say something but not a word was mentioned until it came to Len! I haven't a clue about dancing but even I could see that Lisa made a complete hash of the Cha Cha and it didn't even warrant a mention by 3 out of the 4 judges. Nicky probably performed his routine correctly at least - I can't state that as a fact, because I don't know.
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Look - Lisa is a large lady and the BBC is full of PC. Savvy?
Originally Posted by Toasted Toad:
“Why the sudden surprise? Craig has often been extremely rude in the past - "dance disahaster" and similar. He was quite right - Nicky's dance was dreadful. I've always respected him for being the only one with the courage to say it like it is. I don't always agree with his marks - it would be incredible if everybody agreed about every performance - but he does his best to mark genuinely. That's been the refreshing thing about Darcy this year - we have another judge who is prepared to do the same thing. She's not acerbic like Craig, but does not try to be artificial like Len and Bruno, with their pre-prepared puns or OTT gesturing.
Craig has never acknowledged hard work, he deems it irrelevant. Would he mention it if a celeb had worked only two hours but nevertheless produced the best performance? No. He feels that the thing that matters is what you bring to the dance floor. Nicky's dance was pretty much without any redeeming features, particularly at this point in the series. Craig did not hesitate to say so.”
“Why the sudden surprise? Craig has often been extremely rude in the past - "dance disahaster" and similar. He was quite right - Nicky's dance was dreadful. I've always respected him for being the only one with the courage to say it like it is. I don't always agree with his marks - it would be incredible if everybody agreed about every performance - but he does his best to mark genuinely. That's been the refreshing thing about Darcy this year - we have another judge who is prepared to do the same thing. She's not acerbic like Craig, but does not try to be artificial like Len and Bruno, with their pre-prepared puns or OTT gesturing.
Craig has never acknowledged hard work, he deems it irrelevant. Would he mention it if a celeb had worked only two hours but nevertheless produced the best performance? No. He feels that the thing that matters is what you bring to the dance floor. Nicky's dance was pretty much without any redeeming features, particularly at this point in the series. Craig did not hesitate to say so.”
Great post. Agree with evertey word.
Originally Posted by poshtamfan:
“The last time I remember the judges being as harsh as this was the year Kara won. They tore into Matt Baker regularly. He was more popular than Nicky and came second. The audience loved his routines with Aliona but the judges often criticised her choreography too. Like Nicky and Karen they had watch others get different treatment. I complained to the BBC then and I did tonight. I like everyone to be treated the fairly. I don't mind criticism but it has to be fair.”
“The last time I remember the judges being as harsh as this was the year Kara won. They tore into Matt Baker regularly. He was more popular than Nicky and came second. The audience loved his routines with Aliona but the judges often criticised her choreography too. Like Nicky and Karen they had watch others get different treatment. I complained to the BBC then and I did tonight. I like everyone to be treated the fairly. I don't mind criticism but it has to be fair.”
I had forgotten that but you are absolutely right.- they were determined to bring Matt Baker down a peg & they seem to be the same with Nicky. Nicky was not great this week but I think he knew his card was marked
https://twitter.com/nickybyrneoffic
Originally Posted by Toasted Toad:
“Why the sudden surprise? Craig has often been extremely rude in the past - "dance disahaster" and similar. He was quite right - Nicky's dance was dreadful. I've always respected him for being the only one with the courage to say it like it is. I don't always agree with his marks - it would be incredible if everybody agreed about every performance - but he does his best to mark genuinely. That's been the refreshing thing about Darcy this year - we have another judge who is prepared to do the same thing. She's not acerbic like Craig, but does not try to be artificial like Len and Bruno, with their pre-prepared puns or OTT gesturing.
Craig has never acknowledged hard work, he deems it irrelevant. Would he mention it if a celeb had worked only two hours but nevertheless produced the best performance? No. He feels that the thing that matters is what you bring to the dance floor. Nicky's dance was pretty much without any redeeming features, particularly at this point in the series. Craig did not hesitate to say so.”
“Why the sudden surprise? Craig has often been extremely rude in the past - "dance disahaster" and similar. He was quite right - Nicky's dance was dreadful. I've always respected him for being the only one with the courage to say it like it is. I don't always agree with his marks - it would be incredible if everybody agreed about every performance - but he does his best to mark genuinely. That's been the refreshing thing about Darcy this year - we have another judge who is prepared to do the same thing. She's not acerbic like Craig, but does not try to be artificial like Len and Bruno, with their pre-prepared puns or OTT gesturing.
Craig has never acknowledged hard work, he deems it irrelevant. Would he mention it if a celeb had worked only two hours but nevertheless produced the best performance? No. He feels that the thing that matters is what you bring to the dance floor. Nicky's dance was pretty much without any redeeming features, particularly at this point in the series. Craig did not hesitate to say so.”
Fair enough, but why was Craig so forceful in pointing this out in such a brutal manner and YET did not deem it necessary to point out to Lisa that her dance was utter rubbish and a total disaster, or that she should dance it better in the dance off..etc. He was unnecessarily cruel to one dancer and allowed a worse performer off scot free. It really does seem that he has an agenda, business or otherwise with Lisa, his bias towards her is shocking
Originally Posted by princesstin:
“It was unbelievable that Len was the only judge to mention Lisa's mistakes and to mark Nicky higher than her. And yes, Craig's treatment of the two just drew attention to the ridiculousness of the whole situation.”
“It was unbelievable that Len was the only judge to mention Lisa's mistakes and to mark Nicky higher than her. And yes, Craig's treatment of the two just drew attention to the ridiculousness of the whole situation.”
Len was also the only one to acknowledge that Nicky probably had the hardest challenge (in addition to being the only attempting two brand new dances). Len was fair, Craig just downright spiteful.
Originally Posted by jiroos:
“Len was also the only one to acknowledge that Nicky probably had the hardest challenge (in addition to being the only attempting two brand new dances). Len was fair, Craig just downright spiteful.”
“Len was also the only one to acknowledge that Nicky probably had the hardest challenge (in addition to being the only attempting two brand new dances). Len was fair, Craig just downright spiteful.”
Yes he was, there really was no need. I've totally gone off him
Originally Posted by poshtamfan:
“It doesn't take a degree in rocket science to know that the judges have double standards. Lisa's faults, mistakes and lack of technique goes unnoticed by our so called judges and every fault of Nicky's gets pointed out. Hardly fair and I admire Zoe for saying so. If Karen had been on duty she would have mentioned Lisa's faults too and that is just the worst example of it. The judging tonight was a farce. I don't expect my favourite to win and I am quite happy for them to go if others are better. I have watched every series so far but tonight was the last programme I shall ever watch.”
“It doesn't take a degree in rocket science to know that the judges have double standards. Lisa's faults, mistakes and lack of technique goes unnoticed by our so called judges and every fault of Nicky's gets pointed out. Hardly fair and I admire Zoe for saying so. If Karen had been on duty she would have mentioned Lisa's faults too and that is just the worst example of it. The judging tonight was a farce. I don't expect my favourite to win and I am quite happy for them to go if others are better. I have watched every series so far but tonight was the last programme I shall ever watch.”
Do you really think that there's a double standard in the judges' treatment of Lisa and Nicky? Craig's excessive cruelty to Nicky aside, the judges' comments to both Lisa and Nicky were of a similar vein: there were many technical deficiencies but good entertainment value. Darcey, Bruno and Len with his "You came out and gave it a go" cop outs all went very easy on Nicky given that his dancing was awful, he still hasn't corrected issues that they've been pointing out to him since week 1 and he doesn't even have the kind of physical impediments Lisa has to excuse his poor technique.
Perhaps Lisa was overmarked but then so was Nicky and both dances were comparably poor.
Originally Posted by ESPIONdansant:
“If they were comparably poor why did Craig score Nicky 5 and Lisa 7?”
“If they were comparably poor why did Craig score Nicky 5 and Lisa 7?”
My post was in response to poshtamfan's post which suggested there were general double standards amongst all the judges in the marking of Lisa and Nicky. I was pointing out that in actual that all the judges except Craig made gave similar comments and scores to both Lisa and Nicky which reflects the fact that both dances were of a similarly low standard.
I did say in an earlier post that I agreed that Craig's "I suspect we'll be seeing that dance again." was rude but his other comments about the quality of the dance were more honest and accurate than the other judges. But of course I think he should have shown consistency and given Lisa the same score.
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