Agreed, Kara of the wonderful artistry and feeling did the backflip. It was in the showdance in the Final where Strictly management demanded circus moves. Personally I felt Kara did not need any stunts whatsoever to draw attention.

Kara did not insert a backflip into a lyrical rumba.

Nonsense. We don't hate her, we just don't like her. Lots of us have explained why and it seems you haven't taken 'any notice.'

If it puts other desperate celebs like her off, then, good! I think if she had a different partner she might have been more likeable but we'll never know. I didn't like her on the ALW show(s?) but liked her on The Big Breakfast. She always gets too defensive I think; like when she was criticised for going back to work so soon after having the baby. I understood completely, but then she opens her mouth and says too much. That's what she and James have in common and need to rein in!!

This is the problem: have something to say about Denise and it's assumed you don't like her!! I won't repeat what I've just said elsewhere because it's becoming repetitive. I'm starting to think actually that she was deliberately selected to appear for the controversy AND selected to dance with the most arrogant pro who would, at some stage, be guaranteed to have his arrogant outburst. Whatever is the case, it was a bad decision to include her imo and has completely taken away the main focus of seeing the progression of amateurs. Why not have had her make a guest dance appearance instead or whatever it is they do ie when Fern Britton danced on a christmas episode? If they had done that, guaranteed that Denise would have been applauded.

And Jason Donovan.
And Sir Bruce when trying to explain his own jokes and making sure the audience laugh.

Yep great post, but I still don't like Denise, just like you don't like Louis. - Peace

Also on a personal random note, she is a Gemini and as a Capricorn in my whole life I have never met a Gemini that I have liked. So there

Yes, I went right off her on ALW. Agree also she may have faired better with another partner, James makes me cringe.

I also don't hate her, just dislike her.

Poor Denise.


Hopefully she'll be far too busy working to have time to read all this venom.

So true

Thanks. x

[quote=chachachavvy;62885720]I have never seen Denise Van Outen in anything before Strictly so had no opinion on her either way. I do think her stage career gives her an edge over other Strictly celebs, as she is already a semi-pro dancer, and do not think she should have been in the show but that is more the fault of the producers. I don't think she comes across well on the show because of her grim determination to win. There is nothing wrong with competitiveness in a Michael-Vaughan-raise-my-game kind of way but with Denise I dislike the phone-fingers, the constant canvassing for votes, the excuses, the sob-stories, the implicit running down of other contestants etc, etc. Contrast Denise and James with Nicky and Karen last night. Nicky was certain to go home and yet handled the situation with humour and good grace but Denise and James approached the situation shamelessly. Denise has been working hard (and Nicky hasn't?), Denise is missing her young daughter (and Nicky hasn't been missing his young children?), Denise is being criticised (and Nicky hasn't been slated by the judges and in the dance-off twice before?). Denise's whole attitude goes against the whole spirit of Strictly.[/QUOTE]


To be fair, it wasn't Denise who mentioned those things in the results show; it was James. I thought at the time he was doing her no favours at all.

Maybe it's becoming apparent that it's the selection/pairing of pros that most times exacerbates a person's taking to or not taking to of a contestant? If Denise had been paired with the incredibly lovely Pasha, things might be different. It's all been stage managed imo and it's working because we're all talking about it! Incidently, Pasha, Artem and Vincent handle themselves with the utmost dignity.

Ahhh I'd forgotten the circus theme. See this is why I like these forums, I need you people to remind me of the details I've forgotten!

Agreed.

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Could not agree more

I sincerely hope she has had the good sense to stay away from it. The most distressing thing is that nobody comes up with anything real to criticise her for - like not being able to dance - no, it's the fact she even exists. If I was her I would find that very hard to take. Perhaps she should take up cycling and crying and being generally needy. Being strong and feisty and just getting on with it doesn't win any prizes on SCD.

Princess Victoria either whom I criticised for not being able to dance, putting up a poor show and giving Brendan a hard time. All of which are reasonable criticisms of a contestant on an entertainment show involving dance.

Denise is a great dancer, has given us a good show and earns her living as an entertainer, yet she has been constantly criticised for all three, plus all other aspects of her personality.

Interesting post. Only in Britain could 'ambition' be seen as a negative. A good thing our Olympians didn't take that attitude.

You're so right! What an awful woman, lets march her off to the Tower and off with her head
I really like her too and I think she is the most talented dancer out of everyone thats left but there is so much bias on here it's unbelievable! How do all these oracles on here know what's she's really like, she's a person with feelings and a family just like the rest of us. The vitriol is here is quite vile, if a nurse can commit suicide over a hoax call the trolls on here should reign their necks in and leave Denise alone, don't people ever think in this digital age!

Me too!

The speech from james on sunday, really bottled everything what went wrong with this couple. They basically have two moods: banter and "I'm not a ringer".
If they would be more "i'm a ringer deal with it" and they had really funny banter they would have been a blessed relief from the tense atmosphere of the series.
I like Denise dancing fine, but the constant "we messed up in rehersals" and "we have banter on a loop" ruins this couple which on dancing deserves final placings and i think for me the win.

That won't bother her, she's as hard as nails.

I thought that was down to some BBC committee squandering the 3 billion tax they take off people.

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Do you know her well?

I agree.

And here is another reason people may not take to her. She seems to think that way - if you don't love her you must hate her and then tells us why - cos she is a ringer, innit - which puts people off even more.

I think by the way that Kimberly is more succesful, is clearly ambitions and works hard and I think is more beautiful than Denise. Nobody seems to have it in for her for this - nor for the fact that she has a musical background and went to stage school so I suspect that whatever James and Denise says this just a red herring which they are using because they don't want to admit that it is their personalities that people aren't warming to.