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So does the voting prove all the conspiracy people are deluded?
All the claims of a fix, set ups to help James, bias to help James, trying to brainwash the public.
He won the semi final and the week before by huge margins...he didn't need any help or 'tricks' at all...does it show paranoia just makes people see things that are not there? |
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All the claims of a fix, set ups to help James, bias to help James, trying to brainwash the public.
He won the semi final and the week before by huge margins...he didn't need any help or 'tricks' at all...does it show paranoia just makes people see things that are not there? He was never top two until the producers wanted him to win. Tell everyone someone is great and they start to believe it, basic media psychology. |
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He was set up to win once Ella went... Everyone could see that. Song choice, pimp slot, judges praise, sob stories made out if anything...
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When someone gets a standing ovation for a painfully mediocre performance you know they are 'chosen'.
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If anything those people would say it proves the opposite to what you've said
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It doesn't prove anything. After Ella went, James was the chosen one. He got honourable mentions off everyone related to the show, standing ovations of the judges every performance, very high praise feedback, good pr, etc.
He was never top two until the producers wanted him to win. Tell everyone someone is great and they start to believe it, basic media psychology. Simply James had a talent unmatched and was a deserved winner in most people's opinions. |
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If anything those people would say it proves the opposite to what you've said
To go from low/middle rankings all throughout the show to suddenly topping it right in time to make it to the finals.... No, not strange at all! |
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I think it just proves that they wanted chris maloney out
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If anything those people would say it proves the opposite to what you've said
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Yawn. What's new? There are always conspiracy theories when your fav ones don't win.
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Rubbish. Clearly if you have that opinion you have an inflated opinion of your own judgement. It is pretty arrogant to claim you could see what they were doing but the majority couldn't.
Simply James had a talent unmatched and was a deserved winner in most people's opinions. |
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Rubbish. Clearly if you have that opinion you have an inflated opinion of your own judgement. It is pretty arrogant to claim you could see what they were doing but the majority couldn't.
Simply James had a talent unmatched and was a deserved winner in most people's opinions. He wasn't top two once until Ella left. That's fact not opinion. I've just deduced the most logical outcome. Are you really so naive as to believe there is no manipulation? We have media manipulation in every bit of our lives, fashion, music, films etc. Why not X Factor? As RATM put it: "No escape from the mass mind rape, play it again Jack, and then rewind the tape, and then play it again and again and again, until your mind is locked in." The media have been using this technique for many years, it's not a secret. |
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They ask everyone who they like and I genuinely believe that everyone who said James wasn't coerced into saying so. I believe 100% James was those people's favorite. May be this is a case where your taste doesn't match the majority of the public's liking, but it really does make absolute sense that those people would say James. No funny business about it. May be bc you didn't like James the things you felt portrayed him positively resonated more with you. In the VTS I saw no difference in the positive light they showed James and Jahmene in. You make it seem like there was this great divide or difference that is so obvious. Louis backed Jahmene. Tulisa and Gary liked James and I don't think they were told to. I believe that it was their very honest opinions.
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It doesn't prove anything. After Ella went, James was the chosen one. He got honourable mentions off everyone related to the show, standing ovations off the judges every performance, very high praise feedback, good pr, etc.
He was never top two until the producers wanted him to win. Tell everyone someone is great and they start to believe it, basic media psychology. You were all force fed him and bought into it lol....before Ella left he was a non entity in the voting |
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They ask everyone who they like and I genuinely believe that everyone who said James wasn't coerced into saying so. I believe 100% James was those people's favorite. May be this is a case where your taste doesn't match the majority of the public's liking, but it really does make absolute sense that those people would say James. No funny business about it. May be bc you didn't like James the things you felt portrayed him positively resonated more with you. In the VTS I saw no difference in the positive light they showed James and Jahmene in. You make it seem like there was this great divide or difference that is so obvious. Louis backed Jahmene. Tulisa and Gary liked James and I don't think they were told to. I believe that it was their very honest opinions.
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It doesn't prove anything. After Ella went, James was the chosen one. He got honourable mentions off everyone related to the show, standing ovations off the judges every performance, very high praise feedback, good pr, etc.
He was never top two until the producers wanted him to win. Tell everyone someone is great and they start to believe it, basic media psychology. It was basically the fact that James's fans like myself couldn't be bothered to vote until he got into the bottom 2. Also add Chris/Menan's phone bills and you've got the perfect reason why James had the voting journey he did. |
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He wasn't top two once until Ella left. That's fact not opinion. I've just deduced the most logical outcome. Are you really so naive as to believe there is no manipulation? We have media manipulation in every bit of our lives, fashion, music, films etc. Why not X Factor? As RATM put it: "No escape from the mass mind rape, play it again Jack, and then rewind the tape, and then play it again and again and again, until your mind is locked in." The media have been using this technique for many years, it's not a secret. |
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All the claims of a fix, set ups to help James, bias to help James, trying to brainwash the public.
He won the semi final and the week before by huge margins...he didn't need any help or 'tricks' at all...does it show paranoia just makes people see things that are not there? Christopher topped the voting for the first seven weeks - with 25-30% of the vote. Then we had loads of negative press stories, him being a strangler, subtle jibes from Dermot and negativity about him on the Xtra factor etc. And his vote drops like a stone. I just wish the producers would drop the manipulation and treat all acts equally and fairly - and not try to influence the proceedings. Maybe I am a bit too idealistic - but thats normally how democratic processes are supposed to work (i.e. fair coverage and no bias from the organisers). Maybe then they would get Strictly's ratings!
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Yes!
To go from low/middle rankings all throughout the show to suddenly topping it right in time to make it to the finals.... No, not strange at all! |
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No, it just proves two things:
1. The majority of people who vote these days are stupid, taste-free fools. 2. Many people vote to quite deliberately screw the show over. |
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I like that James won purely based on his talent....he started peaking at the exact right time and ran with it. The most unusual winner so far....because his personality is acquired taste. I like that he's reserved and has never tried to be more happy & smiley
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Yawn. What's new? There are always conspiracy theories when your fav ones don't win.
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For what it's worth I think James is a better artist, singer and winner then jahmene would have been.
That said it was a painful final seeing jahmene blast out ancient songs whilst James got up to date songs including adele which was always going to be massively popular. Let it be as a winners single? That's just ridiculous, they could have at least had them sing the same song as usual. In the vt it showed jahmene doing titanium... Why could he have done that to at least try and appeal to a different audience. Having Louis as a supporter is hardly a glowing reference. I swear half the acts don't care what Louis has to say anyway. |
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I think you will find i had no favourites, however its always been a hot topic about the blatant manipulation the show dishes out year after year
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If anything those people would say it proves the opposite to what you've said
If public manipulation is really the overriding factor, why was Ella never given the massive boost? Why was James not higher in the early weeks? They may well choose to apply it only when something happens that goes along with what they think, but that's not really the way evidence is meant to work (see: cherry picking). Quote:
Originally Posted by researchshirley
1. The majority of people who vote these days are stupid, taste-free fools.
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