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Old 10-12-2012, 02:44
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Not saying I wanted Chris to win but the voting figures from week 8 onwards just aren't really plausible and for me they must have been fixed.....Here's why.....

In the first six weeks James' percentage of the vote was:

5.6% (6th)
7.4% (6th)
7.4% (6th)
12% (3rd)
7.7% (6th)
14% (3rd)

As opposed to Chris who was 1st every week with:

28.8%
21.9%
22.6%
24.7%
27.6%
23.6%

In week 7 James was in the bottom two with 13.7% of the vote and Chris came 1st again with 26.4%.....James percentage going down despite less competitors and Chris's percentage going up!!

Then in week 8 we are to believe that James all of a sudden jumps into a massive lead with 40.7 % of the vote and Chris drops into 2nd place with 21%

Believable if James had been constantly 2nd or 3rd but from 6th to 1st with a 27% swing....Come on!!!

What makes it all the more unbelievable is that Jahmene's percentage also went up albeit by 0.7% but it would mean that the shortfall of 27.7% of the other four competitors still in the competition all suddenly decided to vote for James instead.....that's bollocks!!

If you look at it another way...

Dermot said, just before he announced the winner that there had been over 3 million votes, so let's just say in weeks 7 and 8 the voting numbers was less (perhaps 2 million?)....

That would mean James votes went from approx 274,000 to 814,000 in one hit and more unbelievably a 648,000 swing from Chris in one night, let alone the other competitors who were previously all beating James most weeks.

Manipulation of the votes or what!!......I doubt that any one act has ever had such a dramatic swing in the voting to go on to win, which is especially the more implausible because compared to the likes of Leona, Alexandra Burke, JLS, Rhydian and Matt Cardle, he is utter s***e......infact reagrdless of those he is just utter s***e anyway.

Will James Arthur be a success....I doubt it.....He'll be in the tabloids for all the wrong reasons 12 months from now....mark my words!!

.....and then back in his bedsit!!
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Old 10-12-2012, 02:46
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Dermot said, just before he announced the winner that there had been over 3 million votes, so let's just say in weeks 7 and 8 the voting numbers was less (perhaps 2 million?)....
Think this part says it all about how much you know.
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Old 10-12-2012, 02:48
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I really do believe something dodgy happened. I mean just look at Chris' votes on Saturday, it doesn't seem right compared to how popular he was in the first 7 weeks.
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Old 10-12-2012, 02:50
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Turn the computer off and go to bed.

It's done and over with.
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Old 10-12-2012, 02:50
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I really do believe something dodgy happened. I mean just look at Chris' votes on Saturday, it doesn't seem right compared to how popular he was in the first 7 weeks.
It's not difficult to work out...... Chris as i said for weeks had a limited number of fans, lots of them voted... others had lots of fans who didn't really vote..as the final got closer or in James case as they saw he could go if they don't vote, they began to vote..hence the swing..combined with great performances & momentum..evidently it continued.

Chris votes never dropped just his % dropped as more people voted which is kinda what you'd expect to someone with not many fans against others with a lot more fans.
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Old 10-12-2012, 02:53
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The casual vote came into play as the series neared the end. Not the first time this has happened. Eoghan Quigg won something like six weeks early on in series five, was never in the bottom 2 then finished third.
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Old 10-12-2012, 02:53
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Well for the last 3 weeks the show has really been bigging up James big time. And Chris Maloney has had snidey comments directed at him - and unpleasant stories leaked to the press.

The X factor cannot rig the votes - so no fix - but they can encourage the public to direct their votes in the way they want.

OP - the votes reflect the public will - even though the changing voting patterns are exceptional.
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Old 10-12-2012, 02:53
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Turn the computer off and go to bed.

It's done and over with.
Lol tbh ^^
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Old 10-12-2012, 02:55
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Why did they freeze the vote? For me, that along with the bad press is what cost Christopher. If they didn't freeze the vote during the show, he would have won.
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Old 10-12-2012, 02:56
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Why did they freeze the vote? For me, that along with the bad press is what cost Christopher. If they didn't freeze the vote during the show, he would have won.
Are you for real?
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Old 10-12-2012, 02:58
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Why did they freeze the vote? For me, that along with the bad press is what cost Christopher. If they didn't freeze the vote during the show, he would have won.
Er, what? They froze the vote because an act was leaving the competition.

As for James' bounce in Week 8, it more than makes sense - the shock of him and Ella in the B2 the week before plus Ella going added to the traditional rebound effect. A lot of complacent voters got off their arses and actually voted for James hence the massive rise. Add that to the casual vote that comes into effect once the series comes to an end and it easily adds up.
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Old 10-12-2012, 02:59
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Why did they freeze the vote? For me, that along with the bad press is what cost Christopher. If they didn't freeze the vote during the show, he would have won.
? All lines were frozen tho and whoever at that point had the lowest went.
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Old 10-12-2012, 03:01
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It's not difficult to work out...... Chris as i said for weeks had a limited number of fans, lots of them voted... others had lots of fans who didn't really vote..as the final got closer or in James case as they saw he could go if they don't vote, they began to vote..hence the swing..combined with great performances & momentum..evidently it continued.

Chris votes never dropped just his % dropped as more people voted which is kinda what you'd expect to someone with not many fans against others with a lot more fans.
We need to see the actual numbers voting from week to week to make more sense of this. However they stack, such a collapse in Chris's % will raise questions, but if he had won I doubt he would have enjoyed any care or real support from the Syco Machine. Perhaps he has had a lucky escape lets see how James fares.
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Old 10-12-2012, 03:03
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Well for the last 3 weeks the show has really been bigging up James big time. And Chris Maloney has had snidey comments directed at him - and unpleasant stories leaked to the press.

The X factor cannot rig the votes - so no fix - but they can encourage the public to direct their votes in the way they want.

OP - the votes reflect the public will - even though the changing voting patterns are exceptional.
Yes it's a good thing that the Syco Mind Control Tricks don't effect the people here on DS.
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Old 10-12-2012, 03:06
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We need to see the actual numbers voting from week to week to make more sense of this. However they stack, such a collapse in Chris's % will raise questions, but if he had won I doubt he would have enjoyed any care or real support from the Syco Machine. Perhaps he has had a lucky escape lets see how James fares.
James has 10x more twitter followers than him in all polls he had miles more votes than him, there's no questions.

earlier weeks 200-300k votes max

chris had a base of 20k fans or so who voted multiple times each, say 100k votes every week of 300k or so votes consitently = about 30% every week but suddenly when there's 700k votes and he's still getting 100k it's a lot less.
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Old 10-12-2012, 03:08
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As some pointed out, you can't just rely on percentages. You have to know the absolute number of votes to get the full picture. I do believe that towards the end of the series, more and more casual viewers started to vote. I spoke to a lot of people who have not watched the series until the last few weeks. I believe those "latecomers" have mostly voted for James.

Don't forget also that as other acts leave, those fans would most likely switch to vote for other remaining acts, which will in turn change the dynamics of the results.
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Old 10-12-2012, 03:08
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all i hear about x factor that the votes are fixed. i really doubt they can alter the votes doesn't it have to be run through a Civil law notary for the results be valid?

it is weird maloney topping the votes and all of a sudden he gets bullied by the show and everyone around it. maybe they were scared he could actually win?
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Old 10-12-2012, 03:10
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What created the sudden massive turnaround?

I didn't watch this series but can anyone tell me if there was one specific event they can think of that may have changed things around so dramatically in the voting?
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Old 10-12-2012, 03:12
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What created the sudden massive turnaround?

I didn't watch this series but can anyone tell me if there was one specific event they can think of that may have changed things around so dramatically in the voting?
James and Ella in the bottom two.
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Old 10-12-2012, 03:13
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I really do believe something dodgy happened. I mean just look at Chris' votes on Saturday, it doesn't seem right compared to how popular he was in the first 7 weeks.
He's got a older fanbase compared to the likes of Janet who topped the votes every week. He over came all the rubbish thrown at him since the live shows started, getting to the final was like winning the show for him.
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Old 10-12-2012, 03:14
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What created the sudden massive turnaround?

I didn't watch this series but can anyone tell me if there was one specific event they can think of that may have changed things around so dramatically in the voting?
James & ella two of the 3 favourite in the bottom two with ella leaving. after that people voted more.

Plus james began to perform to a very high standard, and it got closer to the final. Chris was never going to win, but in a small vote with lots of people he can top the votes in a big vote with not many people no chance.
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Old 10-12-2012, 03:15
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What created the sudden massive turnaround?

I didn't watch this series but can anyone tell me if there was one specific event they can think of that may have changed things around so dramatically in the voting?
James and Ella in the bottom two.
^This.

I think it shocked a lot of people into believing Chris could actually win, plus the loss of a contestant who most people believed was destined for the final would have meant people were more inclined to vote the next week.

I imagine the voting numbers shot up. The numbers would naturally rise towards the end of the series anyway - the number of people voting during the weeks Chris was topping the vote would be much lower than those voting in the final.
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Old 10-12-2012, 03:20
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I can totally see the frustration and the anger of some of Chris' fans....imagine spending a fortune voting for him week in week out with him topping 7 weeks in a row only to get outnumbered when other people started voting in the final weeks and then find Chris losing in third place?

All the time and money wasted.
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Old 10-12-2012, 03:24
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What created the sudden massive turnaround?

I didn't watch this series but can anyone tell me if there was one specific event they can think of that may have changed things around so dramatically in the voting?
Likely the various and increasing press and other circulated negativity, seemingly in line with his continued topping of the voting. The "highlight" and well timed disclosure that he "throttled" a woman singer (no evidence as far as I am aware she ever went to the police).

http://uk.omg.yahoo.com/gossip/the-j...135054726.html

Whether he is a nice person, a fake or what, he seems to have if anything a worst ride than Wagner before. The theory is by many that the Producers did not want to see him win.
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Old 10-12-2012, 03:25
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Yes it's a good thing that the Syco Mind Control Tricks don't effect the people here on DS.
No if course not. But I have seen posters on here accuse Chris of being a paedophile and a violent thug. Its actually quite scary how a show and its PR output can result in people directing such hatred at some guy who they have never met who just wanted a singing career.
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