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Is it obvious judges are briefed on how the voting is going?
Now i am not usually one of the conspiracy type people, but i am level headed and see the obvious things.
I think some things clearly indicate judges KNEW how the voting was doing week by week. Two things in particular. 1. Tulisa at a certain week, she went from judging Ella or praising her to pleading for votes ''If you like Ella you must pick up the phone and vote, please vote for her, don't think your favourites are safe'' At the time this seemed bizarre, she was the favourite to win and performing relatively well...had not been in the bottom two at all and most people presumed she was in the top section of the votes every week for sure. As it turned out the week before Tulisa pleaded, Ella was near the bottom and in the end she was in the bottom two the week after these pleas. 2. Nicole's reaction the week James was in the bottom two. The usual bottom two people had been called out already, then they called Rylan, and she had a look of shock and worry on her face. Yet Chris was still there with Ella and James to most of the public it was clear Chris was going to be in the bottom with one of those and he'd go..yet why was Nicole so worried? To me it was evident she knew Chris had been topping the vote every week before so quickly realized ''oh sh!t, james is going to be in the bottom with ella'' So given this knowledge, maybe how they judge people in live shows is affected by what they know about votes. Which i think isn't right. |
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1. Tulisa at a certain week, she went from judging Ella or praising her to pleading for votes ''If you like Ella you must pick up the phone and vote, please vote for her, don't think your favourites are safe''
At the time this seemed bizarre, she was the favourite to win and performing relatively well...had not been in the bottom two at all and most people presumed she was in the top section of the votes every week for sure. As it turned out the week before Tulisa pleaded, Ella was near the bottom and in the end she was in the bottom two the week after these pleas. Quote:
2. Nicole's reaction the week James was in the bottom two. The usual bottom two people had been called out already, then they called Rylan, and she had a lock of shock and worry on her face. Yet Chris was still there with Ella and James to most of the public it was clear Chris was going to be in the bottom with one of those and he'd go..yet why was Nicole so worried? When Union J and Rylan were called, it was left to Ella, Jahmene, James and Christopher. Ella and Jahmene were the two favourites and had been hyped up all series, so the most probable (according to most of the general public) was looking to be Chris vs James. I think it was just shock that one of the 'big three' were going to be bottom two.
To me it was evident she knew Chris had been topping the vote every week before so quickly realized ''oh sh!t, james is going to be in the bottom with ella'' So given this knowledge, maybe how they judge people in live shows is affected by what they know about votes. Which i think isn't right. |
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cmon....surely you know the judges cant judge all by themselves!....they are being briefed from the top..(ahem cowell) and they are basically puppets. Funny how chris was getting slated week in and week out by tulisa and louis, when they suddenly realised he might win this they started to change their tune and be all nice to him.
Of course they know the score...they have to keep onside just so they can keep their phoney jobs! |
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2. Nicole's reaction the week James was in the bottom two. The usual bottom two people had been called out already, then they called Rylan, and she had a lock of shock and worry on her face. Yet Chris was still there with Ella and James to most of the public it was clear Chris was going to be in the bottom with one of those and he'd go..yet why was Nicole so worried?
To me it was evident she knew Chris had been topping the vote every week before so quickly realized ''oh sh!t, james is going to be in the bottom with ella'' It was obvious, to me at least, that they were leaving announcing Christopher to the last possible moment so people would expect him to be in the Bottom 2 and going out rather than the other two. So I don't find it suspicious that Nicole looked worried, I just think she assumed the same as I (and probably other people) did. |
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To be fair, it wasn't clear to me. I couldn't possibly have known Christopher was topping the votes but the minute James, Ella and Chris were left to call I felt it wouldn't be him in the Bottom 2.
It was obvious, to me at least, that they were leaving announcing Christopher to the last possible moment so people would expect him to be in the Bottom 2 and going out rather than the other two. So I don't find it suspicious that Nicole looked worried, I just think she assumed the same as I (and probably other people) did. |
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I was wondering last night how much the judges know about the votes. Are they told something like "your acts aren't doing so well" or something more specific or nothing at all?
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Really though? I found it very strange at the time, now having seen the voting her reaction makes perfect sense. I even knew Chris had a strong online following, and heard rumours he topped the votes, yet was totally shocked when he got called out ahead of those two.
I can't have been the only one, because before the Sunday results show had even started quite a few posters had predicted James and Ella would fall into the Bottom Two, and I didn't think they'd be right about both of them for a second until Dermot started announcing who was through and they weren't called along with Chris. |
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Now i am not usually one of the conspiracy type people, but i am level headed and see the obvious things.
I think some things clearly indicate judges KNEW how the voting was doing week by week. Two things in particular. 1. Tulisa at a certain week, she went from judging Ella or praising her to pleading for votes ''If you like Ella you must pick up the phone and vote, please vote for her, don't think your favourites are safe'' At the time this seemed bizarre, she was the favourite to win and performing relatively well...had not been in the bottom two at all and most people presumed she was in the top section of the votes every week for sure. As it turned out the week before Tulisa pleaded, Ella was near the bottom and in the end she was in the bottom two the week after these pleas. 2. Nicole's reaction the week James was in the bottom two. The usual bottom two people had been called out already, then they called Rylan, and she had a look of shock and worry on her face. Yet Chris was still there with Ella and James to most of the public it was clear Chris was going to be in the bottom with one of those and he'd go..yet why was Nicole so worried? To me it was evident she knew Chris had been topping the vote every week before so quickly realized ''oh sh!t, james is going to be in the bottom with ella'' So given this knowledge, maybe how they judge people in live shows is affected by what they know about votes. Which i think isn't right. |
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OP, I tend to agree with you.
There was one week, can't remember which one it was any more but a fairly early one, in which Christopher was slated by the judges as usual and afterwards in Xtra factor Tulisa was asked who she considered to be the biggest threat to Ella who at that time was still considered to be the potential winner of the show. And Tulisa almost instantly answered 'Chris'. I remember being totally surprised by that answer because never in my wildest dreams had I even considered him being able to stay around for long. It was then that I felt she knew something the viewers didn't know. |
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Now i am not usually one of the conspiracy type people, but i am level headed and see the obvious things.
I think some things clearly indicate judges KNEW how the voting was doing week by week. Two things in particular. 1. Tulisa at a certain week, she went from judging Ella or praising her to pleading for votes ''If you like Ella you must pick up the phone and vote, please vote for her, don't think your favourites are safe'' At the time this seemed bizarre, she was the favourite to win and performing relatively well...had not been in the bottom two at all and most people presumed she was in the top section of the votes every week for sure. As it turned out the week before Tulisa pleaded, Ella was near the bottom and in the end she was in the bottom two the week after these pleas. 2. Nicole's reaction the week James was in the bottom two. The usual bottom two people had been called out already, then they called Rylan, and she had a look of shock and worry on her face. Yet Chris was still there with Ella and James to most of the public it was clear Chris was going to be in the bottom with one of those and he'd go..yet why was Nicole so worried? To me it was evident she knew Chris had been topping the vote every week before so quickly realized ''oh sh!t, james is going to be in the bottom with ella'' So given this knowledge, maybe how they judge people in live shows is affected by what they know about votes. Which i think isn't right. ![]() 1) Tulisa did that for Little Mix in the final stages too, it was the same for Ella, it was getting to that stage in the competition where it started getting intense and only a few acts were left. She also probably realized that there comes a point where you think an act is so safe there is no need to vote. Everyone could feel that with Ella, everyone felt that she was going to be the winner so why vote anyway? Tulisa realized this and wanted to prevent it happening. I think that's what happened to the Risque last series too because they were good and I thought they were easily in the next round but people just though they were safe so didn't bother voting. 2) Nicole made that expression because after Union J, Rylan left she realized that none of the remaining 4 acts had been in the Bottom 2 yet. She was probably really scared that one of her boys or Ella was in it and she liked them all. Think about it, even if Chris was in the B2, one of her boys or Ella would be in the B2 with him and everyone would probably still be shocked at that because none of the 3 had ever been in the bottom before. |
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One million percent they know. Witness Tulisa's "Ella is not safe" plea for votes about a week before she was booted off. How would she know that? For all she might have known, Ella could have been topping the poll every week by a big margin, suggesting Tulisa must have known a lot more than she was letting on.
Ditto with Louis's "Chris is pulling in huge votes" to The Guardian. |
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Ahh the fixing conspiracies never get old. I don't think the judges know about the votes AT ALL. I mean c'mon there's no incentive...
![]() 1) Tulisa did that for Little Mix in the final stages too, it was the same for Ella, it was getting to that stage in the competition where it started getting intense and only a few acts were left. She also probably realized that there comes a point where you think an act is so safe there is no need to vote. Everyone could feel that with Ella, everyone felt that she was going to be the winner so why vote anyway? Tulisa realized this and wanted to prevent it happening. I think that's what happened to the Risque last series too because they were good and I thought they were easily in the next round but people just though they were safe so didn't bother voting. 2) Nicole made that expression because after Union J, Rylan left she realized that none of the remaining 4 acts had been in the Bottom 2 yet. She was probably really scared that one of her boys or Ella was in it and she liked them all. Think about it, even if Chris was in the B2, one of her boys or Ella would be in the B2 with him and everyone would probably still be shocked at that because none of the 3 had ever been in the bottom before. And although it'd be a shock if Ella or James would be in the bottom two, to have a look of such worry which nicole had, suggested she'd been told, james ella in the middle doing alright will pick up as weeks go on, chris storming every week. so she instantly knew ...that's the bottom two. It's easy to dismiss stuff as a 'conspiracy' but really this was evident obvious strange happenings at the time, then people figured the voting due to these reactions and now the voting backs it up. So it's more evidence and educated reasons rather than conspiracy. I don't watch xtra factor but that person said Tulisa also let slip a few things on there. I think we're being naive if we can sit here in the knowledge chris topped early weeks comfortably and the judges are not better informed. maybe even producers say, ella isn't doing as well in the votes as she should be, boost her up, or get people voting..something like that. It's not the biggest deal if they're aware to a reasonable extent of the voting, but just think it could impact what they say. |
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When Tulisa did that for Ella, Chris, District 3, Union J and Rylan were all still around, it's a bizarre time to beg for votes for a favourite.
And although it'd be a shock if Ella or James would be in the bottom two, to have a look of such worry which nicole had, suggested she'd been told, james ella in the middle doing alright will pick up as weeks go on, chris storming every week. so she instantly knew ...that's the bottom two. It's easy to dismiss stuff as a 'conspiracy' but really this was evident obvious strange happenings at the time, then people figured the voting due to these reactions and now the voting backs it up. So it's more evidence and educated reasons rather than conspiracy. I don't watch xtra factor but that person said Tulisa also let slip a few things on there. I think we're being naive if we can sit here in the knowledge chris topped early weeks comfortably and the judges are not better informed. maybe even producers say, ella isn't doing as well in the votes as she should be, boost her up, or get people voting..something like that. It's not the biggest deal if they're aware to a reasonable extent of the voting, but just think it could impact what they say. The clincher is that we now know that Ella wasn't safe at the time Tulisa was pleading for votes for her. |
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Yes, otherwise they'd be less pliable when producers briefed them on tactics. They'd need to be made to see and understand the bigger picture, especially when being told that one of their acts was being hampered or targeted for ill treatment. It's a paid job. They know the score. They know the competition is fixed. They can't accept the job then kick up a fuss when they realise that the producers will not give their acts a fair shake.
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Tulisa pleading for votes for Ella didn't make any sense at the time. They kept telling her she was the new Adele and the best XF female since Leona Lewis, and yet Tulisa suddenly starts begging for votes for her and saying "Ella is not safe".
The clincher is that we now know that Ella wasn't safe at the time Tulisa was pleading for votes for her. Also Nicole looked SO surprised that Rylan got through! Surely this was an indication that she DIDN'T know. Anyways anything Nicole did that night can be easily explained by human psychology. |
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[quote=xeo;62892610]This one seems fishy but she was pleading for votes for Little Mix last year in the final even though they were leading. I think it's just her being supportive, Ella had started to get criticism from the other judges.
Yep, Tulisa does plead for votes for x singer/group and bangs on the desk loudly to get her point through. I would like the votes shown as on the US X Factor. If this had been the case with UK X Factor 2012, then I think that Ella would not have been sent home. |
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The results have been released to the Star for the last 3 years - and they have been right every time.
If a tabloid journalist can get access to them - surely no one believes that the judges aren't aware. Or maybe Tulisa just got her info from the Star.
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Oh my god, people are making such a big deal of things. I just explained everything in my post about how safe Ella was. So people assumed there was no need to vote. It's as simple as that, Tulisa also managed to use some brain and work out that such a scenario is possible, there's nothing wrong with what she did.
Also Nicole looked SO surprised that Rylan got through! Surely this was an indication that she DIDN'T know. Anyways anything Nicole did that night can be easily explained by human psychology. And why wouldn't Tulisa think that Ella wasn't running away with the competition? The "judges" were lavishing praise on her every week and describing her as an international star (strange too that they felt the need to launch constant attacks on Chris if they had no knowledge of how the voting was going....he could just as easily be missing the bottom 2 by 0.5% every week and yet they seemed seriously spooked and rattled by him, but not by Rylan). |
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The results have been released to the Star for the last 3 years - and they have been right every time.
If a tabloid journalist can get access to them - surely no one believes that the judges aren't aware. Or maybe Tulisa just got her info from the Star. ![]()
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