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Eastenders- time to get back to dark and fast paced material?
Would anyone prefer if Ee went back to the way it was from 2000 to 2006
Dark storys ect abusive husbands gansters showdowns all fast paced gritty stuff ect EE was always about the dark side of life but i cant help feel they lost the heart of the show and just became like every other soap with love affairs ect Should they return to this format? |
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I loved them years the last few when it was good also, I think they tried with Derek to but cocked it up.
Phil Grant Johnny and the Moons Jake and his bro forget his name, I miss the Lisa and Mark/Phil days to, these are the last times I really loved EE. |
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Yes but this isn't a popular opinion.
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I loved them years the last few when it was good also, I think they tried with Derek to but cocked it up.
Phil Grant Johnny and the Moons Jake and his bro forget his name, I miss the Lisa and Mark/Phil days to, these are the last times I really loved EE. |
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wasn't that the era of the Ferreira's...awful period
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wasn't that the era of the Ferreira's...awful period
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wasn't that the era of the Ferreira's...awful period
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wasn't that the era of the Ferreira's...awful period
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yes , my favorite year was 2003 and 2004 , the return of den phil been set up lisa return ect there was drama every week all huge characters
Martins Stalker The get Den whats line It was all baloney |
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It's been too sanitized in recent years. It needs the gritty realism back.
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It is dark though.
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It is dark though.
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It is dark though.
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So the Heather murder plot wasn't dark for you? I found that to be quite dark in relation to the nature of Heather's character. In most soaps, innocent characters like Heather get to go off and have a happy ending, but not in EE. In EE, your reward for being a good person is to get wacked to death with a photo frame lol.The Yusef storyline was pretty dark too. I'm sure there are others I'm missing. How much more dark you want? |
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im pretty sure the past two years have been the least dark compared to 90s and early mid 2000s
I think what the show is really missing is the gritty edge that it had in the 90s and early 00s. I miss that. |
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Maybe so, but when it has been quite dark when it's needed to be as mentioned in my previous post.
I think what the show is really missing is the gritty edge that it had in the 90s and early 00s. I miss that. |
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The Lucas storyline was gripping and dark.. But for some reason it ended with a TV being thrown out of a window
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thats what i mean, remember when every doof doof had a huge revelation or left you shocked storys used to last most 3 months and even the long ones had developments they weren't dragged out
I think what you want is a shift in storytelling style. So like you said, more fasted-paced plots with twists and turns. More thrilling drama. The 90s were full of that. Unfortunately, nowadays the writers seem obsessed with recycling the same plots. The Joey and Lauren tedium plot is a present day example of the writers trying to recreate a classic storyline (Shannis). They can't seem to think of new material anymore. |
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I love EastEnders for it's gritiness.
I feel the past two years has been very tame in respect to it's hard hitting and gritty scenes. I would love Lorraine to keep EastEnders contreversial but also bring some gritness back and some fast paced storylines. I would like her to use some of the under used characters more like Jay,Abi,Denise,Patrick,Mo,Jean,Micheal etc. I think the comminty feel on the show is great now but all we need is solid storylines that we can connect to. |
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So the Heather murder plot wasn't dark for you? I found that to be quite dark in relation to the nature of Heather's character. In most soaps, innocent characters like Heather get to go off and have a happy ending, but not in EE. In EE, your reward for being a good person is to get wacked to death with a photo frame lol.
The Yusef storyline was pretty dark too. I'm sure there are others I'm missing. How much more dark you want? Yusef seemed so over the top and rather pantominish.. The whole story was weird, rather unbelievable to say the least and dragged out I will admit its the darkest soap out there mixed with being the lightest, so it has both qualitys, however in the last few years I honestly watch and 'feel' its grit has gone.. The problem is everything is so forced, it's like "Cry now" "scream now". In the good old days you didn't need to be told what to feel.. Everything happened and you felt it naturally |
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I've been watching a fair bit of stuff from 2001 on youtube lately. I just watched the episode where Mel and Steve come back from their honeymoon and the difference in the writing is unbelievable. Everything then was fast paced - lots of short and sharp scenes, rapid dialogue, characters milling all around the market and the square (the market is thriving), the Vic full of people (Steve remarks that it's dead in there out of spite after Peggy throws him out, which is funny considering how dead it actually is nowadays!). Everybody interacted with one another outside of their own family units. There was just a brilliant energy which is lost now.
That episode was actually written by Carey Andrews who still writes today, which really backs up my theory that it's not the writers at fault - it's the storyliners (and maybe budget cuts too). Newman needs to radically overhaul the story team and fast. |
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Back then even the filler episodes had life in them and had purpose. Now all they are voids to past the time for the big reveal around christmas.
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So the Heather murder plot wasn't dark for you? I found that to be quite dark in relation to the nature of Heather's character. In most soaps, innocent characters like Heather get to go off and have a happy ending, but not in EE. In EE, your reward for being a good person is to get wacked to death with a photo frame lol.
The Yusef storyline was pretty dark too. I'm sure there are others I'm missing. How much more dark you want? |
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It feels like it's just going through the motions. There's no sense of excitement or urgency. Nothing commands the attention. If the BBC don't have the funds or willingness to devote to EastEnders then maybe they should pass it to a channel who does. It's a great soap but it seems like no one in charge cares about it anymore.
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I agree completely. Storylines that stick out for me over the years are -
- Trevor's and Mo's Domestic Abuse storyline - Stacey and Jean Slaters' Mental Illness - Johnny Allen - Stella's Abuse of Ben - Mad May (except when she came back) - Whitney / Tony abuse storyline - Whitney / Rob, Prostitute and the Pimp storyline Now it's all 'whose hooking up with who' - who cares! I mean dragging out the 'whose shagging Kat' storyline over the best part of a year is ridiculous. I much preferred the fast-paced storylines. |
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