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Old 10-12-2012, 21:44
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dunno whether this has already been discussed on here but im sensing that the new Dodger, Sienna story is going to end up developing into an incest storyline. If you look at the way they look at each other sometimes, plus Jeremy Sheffield said that this story is unlike any other before, which could mean incent, i may be completely wrong!
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Old 10-12-2012, 21:51
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Well considering Brookie did this story back in the 90's and HO is basically a another version of Brookie I can't see anyone being too shocked if this did happen:yawn::sleep:!
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Old 10-12-2012, 21:52
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They did it with Rhys and Beth I think , which was a few years back, Maybe it's too early to do it again
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Old 10-12-2012, 21:53
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Well considering Brookie did this story back in the 90's and HO is basically a another version of Brookie I can't see anyone being too shocked if this did happen:yawn::sleep:!
I agree, Michelle. :yawn::yawn:

Maybe they could go a step further than Brookie and have some incest babies .
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Old 10-12-2012, 21:56
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dunno whether this has already been discussed on here but im sensing that the new Dodger, Sienna story is going to end up developing into an incest storyline. If you look at the way they look at each other sometimes, plus Jeremy Sheffield said that this story is unlike any other before, which could mean incent, i may be completely wrong!
Well considering Brookie did this story back in the 90's and HO is basically a another version of Brookie I can't see anyone being too shocked if this did happen:yawn::sleep:!
I should know this, but were the siblings in Brookie twins? HO have already done brother/sister incest with Rhys and Beth, so the only way this story would be unlike any other story before is because of the twincest angle.
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Old 10-12-2012, 21:56
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I agree, Michelle. :yawn::yawn:

Maybe they could go a step further than Brookie and have some incest babies .
Oh I'm sure they will T.K. And then within the space of 2 years, these 'babies' will suddenly be 16 years old and be played by 28 year olds!!
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Old 10-12-2012, 21:58
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I hope not, its too early, I still remember the Rhys/Beth one. Also, Sienna commented to her dad Patrick, so although there's something fishy going on, I don't think it will be incest, otherwise why would she be giving looks and comments to Patrick?
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Old 10-12-2012, 22:02
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Oh I'm sure they will T.K. And then within the space of 2 years, these 'babies' will suddenly be 16 years old and be played by 28 year olds!!
LOL so true .

Most recently, Cindy's daughter comes to mind
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Old 10-12-2012, 22:19
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I should know this, but were the siblings in Brookie twins? HO have already done brother/sister incest with Rhys and Beth, so the only way this story would be unlike any other story before is because of the twincest angle.
Can't remember if they were twins, but do remember their acting was horrendous! The whole Simpson family was a disaster apart from the dad Ollie, although maybe I'm biased because I did and still do have a crush on the guy who played him, Michael J Jackson (an easy name to remember!! Lol) who's since been in Emmerdale as Jackson's dad and Corrie as an Underworld client who letched over Michelle!
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Old 10-12-2012, 22:26
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LOL so true .

Most recently, Cindy's daughter comes to mind
Yes, apparently when Cindy's daughter next returns in 2 weeks, she's hit the menopause!!
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Old 10-12-2012, 22:29
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Can't remember if they were twins, but do remember their acting was horrendous! The whole Simpson family was a disaster apart from the dad Ollie, although maybe I'm biased because I did and still do have a crush on the guy who played him, Michael J Jackson (an easy name to remember!! Lol) who's since been in Emmerdale as Jackson's dad and Corrie as an Underworld client who letched over Michelle!
Thanks for the info. The actress who played Beth in HO's Rhys/Beth storyline was just awful so maybe it's an incest storyline thing? I remember thinking that the Family Affairs incest SLs weren't that bad, but I can't remember how well they were acted.

Oh, I remember Jackson's dad and I think I know which Underworld client you're talking about, but I didn't realize that was the the actor's name.
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Old 10-12-2012, 22:40
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Yes, apparently when Cindy's daughter next returns in 2 weeks, she's hit the menopause!!
Haha!!

She looks nearly as old as Cindy lol. Which is the ridiculous part, because the last time we saw her before the head transplant, she was a hobbit lol.
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Old 10-12-2012, 22:41
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Thanks for the info. The actress who played Beth in HO's Rhys/Beth storyline was just awful so maybe it's an incest storyline thing? I remember thinking that the Family Affairs incest SLs weren't that bad, but I can't remember how well they were acted.

Oh, I remember Jackson's dad and I think I know which Underworld client you're talking about, but I didn't realize that was the the actor's name.
Yep, he's got a very famous name, though he probably gets ribbed about it! Lol.

Tbh I can't remember what Beth in HO was like, but to me, they could have the best actors in the industry playing an incest story and I'd still find it stomach churning! Even the Lauren and Joey story in EE makes me feel icky and they are cousins, not siblings!
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Old 10-12-2012, 22:53
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Yep, he's got a very famous name, though he probably gets ribbed about it! Lol.

Tbh I can't remember what Beth in HO was like, but to me, they could have the best actors in the industry playing an incest story and I'd still find it stomach churning! Even the Lauren and Joey story in EE makes me feel icky and they are cousins, not siblings!
Haha, it's probably why he includes the middle 'J' in his name - but it doesn't make much difference!

Let's put it this way - Beth was only slightly better than the likes of Liberty and (the now departed) Amber. And when I say 'slightly', I really do mean 'slightly'. You've probably blanked her out of your memory because of post-traumatic stress.

I just don't like the Lauren/Joey storyline because Joey isn't a strong enough actor. Also, I've missed a few episodes but I thought Max, Tanya and Derek would be more horrified. I know the whole cousin thing is legal, but still, Max and Derek are hardly liberal-thinking when it comes to faaamily...
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Old 10-12-2012, 23:05
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Georgia and Nat weren't twins, Georgia was the elder of the two. She fell pregnant as well but had a termination. Finally they left to build a new life together as a couple where nobody would know their connection.

That story remains unique to my knowledge that they were full blood siblings who grew up together knowing thet were brother and sister and got involved anyway. Usually, with incest stories there is a loophole to make it slightly more sympathetic - they weren't brought up together and met as adults so felt an attraction as adults - often they don't know for several weeks that they are related like Rhys and Beth or Adam and Fallon Carrington in Dynasty or John and Angie in Sons and Daughters. Or, they are step brother and sister or there's an adoption involved like Sharon and Dennis in EE.

I think the full blown incest and that they seemd so guilt free was what people found unpalatable about Brookside and why ultimately the story was deemed a failure.

I still think that Maddie was the mutated off spring of Nat and Georgia since Helen Grace played her mum and Georgia.
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Old 10-12-2012, 23:10
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Haha, it's probably why he includes the middle 'J' in his name - but it doesn't make much difference!

Let's put it this way - Beth was only slightly better than the likes of Liberty and (the now departed) Amber. And when I say 'slightly', I really do mean 'slightly'. You've probably blanked her out of your memory because of post-traumatic stress.

I just don't like the Lauren/Joey storyline because Joey isn't a strong enough actor. Also, I've missed a few episodes but I thought Max, Tanya and Derek would be more horrified. I know the whole cousin thing is legal, but still, Max and Derek are hardly liberal-thinking when it comes to faaamily...
Well as far as I know, Max doesn't know about it yet, but I know what you mean about Tanya and Derek seemingly being not too bothered about it! I know Derek is always spouting about FAAAAAAAMILY, but not "Keep it in the FAAAAAAAMILY!!"
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Old 10-12-2012, 23:10
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Georgia and Nat weren't twins, Georgia was the elder of the two. She fell pregnant as well but had a termination. Finally they left to build a new life together as a couple where nobody would know their connection.

That story remains unique to my knowledge that they were full blood siblings who grew up together knowing thet were brother and sister and got involved anyway. Usually, with incest stories there is a loophole to make it slightly more sympathetic - they weren't brought up together and met as adults so felt an attraction as adults - often they don't know for several weeks that they are related like Rhys and Beth or Adam and Fallon Carrington in Dynasty or John and Angie in Sons and Daughters. Or, they are step brother and sister or there's an adoption involved like Sharon and Dennis in EE.

I think the full blown incest and that they seemd so guilt free was what people found unpalatable about Brookside and why ultimately the story was deemed a failure.

I still think that Maddie was the mutated off spring of Nat and Georgia since Helen Grace played her mum and Georgia.
Thanks for the info. Yes, I think most soaps prefer to go down the GSA route http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_sexual_attraction

As you point out, Sharon and Dennis weren't blood-related but even in their case they didn't meet until they were adults. And even though what Lauren and Joey are doing is legal, note that they didn't grow up together either.
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Old 10-12-2012, 23:14
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Well as far as I know, Max doesn't know about it yet, but I know what you mean about Tanya and Derek seemingly being not too bothered about it! I know Derek is always spouting about FAAAAAAAMILY, but not "Keep it in the FAAAAAAAMILY!!"
Oh thanks. My bad, I've missed the last few episodes. I caught a glimpse of Max opening the front door to Joey and Joey seemingly trying to smooth things over, so I jumped to conclusions. Lol, yes, Derek is almost as bad as Peggy was when it comes to FAAAAAAAAMILY!!!!
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Old 10-12-2012, 23:37
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Oh thanks. My bad, I've missed the last few episodes. I caught a glimpse of Max opening the front door to Joey and Joey seemingly trying to smooth things over, so I jumped to conclusions. Lol, yes, Derek is almost as bad as Peggy was when it comes to FAAAAAAAAMILY!!!!
Lol, yes and at least Peggy had been around long enough to spout the family stuff, whereas Derek had been banged up for years and had no idea what was actually going on in the family!

Yeah the reason Max is annoyed with Joey is because he believes Joey crashed the car into that shop,and not his precious daughter Lauren!

And obviously because Max is such a saint who's never done anything wrong in his whole life, that's why he's so disgusted with Joey!
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Old 10-12-2012, 23:39
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I never understood why people got so wound up about Shannis. It was nowhere close to incest. There was absolutely no blood connection and they didn't meet until they were in the 30s so why was there ever an issue?

There's more to raise the eyebrow at with Joey and Lauren but again, as pointed out, they have met as adults - it's not as though they played together as kids, always knew each other as faaasrrrmmileee and first cousins are deemed to have different enough DNA for it to be legal. Yes, I can see family members not being chuffed about it but it really isn't the shameful issue they've made it out to be leading Joey and Lauren to run away.

Angie and John in Sons and Daughters were twins by the way re the question as to whether twincest was new. Anyway, there is no closer biological link between fraternal twins that full siblings. In other words, Will and Liberty are as likely to have near matching DNA as Sienna and Mark - 2 eggs, 2 sperm in each case - just fraternal twins are in the 'oven' at the same time.
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Old 10-12-2012, 23:43
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Lol, yes and at least Peggy had been around long enough to spout the family stuff, whereas Derek had been banged up for years and had no idea what was actually going on in the family!

Yeah the reason Max is annoyed with Joey is because he believes Joey crashed the car into that shop,and not his precious daughter Lauren!

And obviously because Max is such a saint who's never done anything wrong in his whole life, that's why he's so disgusted with Joey!
Very true about Peggy compared to Derek.

Thanks for explaining about Max. Yeah, what a hypocrite. And yet, I still prefer him to Jack and Derek combined.
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Old 10-12-2012, 23:58
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I never understood why people got so wound up about Shannis. It was nowhere close to incest. There was absolutely no blood connection and they didn't meet until they were in the 30s so why was there ever an issue?

There's more to raise the eyebrow at with Joey and Lauren but again, as pointed out, they have met as adults - it's not as though they played together as kids, always knew each other as faaasrrrmmileee and first cousins are deemed to have different enough DNA for it to be legal. Yes, I can see family members not being chuffed about it but it really isn't the shameful issue they've made it out to be leading Joey and Lauren to run away.

Angie and John in Sons and Daughters were twins by the way re the question as to whether twincest was new. Anyway, there is no closer biological link between fraternal twins that full siblings. In other words, Will and Liberty are as likely to have near matching DNA as Sienna and Mark - 2 eggs, 2 sperm in each case - just fraternal twins are in the 'oven' at the same time.
I know. To be honest, I understood Vicki's reaction to Shannis more than that of any real person who objected. Yes, Vicki knew that Dennis and Sharon weren't blood-related but I can see why it was weird for her.

Thanks for the information about fraternal twins vs non-twin brother/sister siblings. I'm not sure why I've never thought about it that way before. I should have paid more attention in biology classes but when you think about it, it's just a question of common sense and basic knowledge about how eggs are fertilized.

So, I guess Jeremy Sheffield doesn't know that S&D already did twincest or he thinks incest is actually original in soaps or he's not talking about this presumed sibling incest storyline at all. Interesting...

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Old 11-12-2012, 00:04
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whats this obsession with incest storylines in soaps, in ee we have ben and lola who are cousins that just had a daughter and we also have the branning cousins getting it on too. hollyoaks have done this storyline already in 2007 with rhys and his sister, come up with new ideas for gods sake, maybe sienna becomes so obsessed with dodger the way an overprotective sister or mother is and nothing else.
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Old 11-12-2012, 00:26
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Identical twins of course have an incredibly close DNA link as they split after fertilisation but of course there is no danger of a child being conceived there which is the main reason incest is ill advised and illiegal.

Now that would be a first - identical twins shagging each other - it'd have the homosexual angle as well to really shock!!!!

Ben and Lola are really quite far removed from each other. Billy and phil are first cousins (I think) so billy and Ben are second cousins. Ben and janet, william and lola's dad would be 2nd cousins once removed which makes ben and Lola 2nd cousins twice removed - I think, it gets ver complicated at that stage. It's pretty distant gene speaking anyway.
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Old 11-12-2012, 00:32
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Not a surprise that Dodger will be committing incest though. That geeza will shag literally ANYTHING .
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