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Old 15-01-2015, 17:54
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Two years after the great and good(and those not so great or good) were summoned to a consultation by DCMS into the future of Community Radio, Ed Vaizey has promised that next week he will make an announcement aimed at clarifying the ongoing situation.
Ahead of knowing what that announcement might be, I'd rather cynically suggest that given the life expectancy of the present Parliament anything that he says will be at best delayed and at worst completely ignored by any incoming government. This against a background where it seems that almost weekly another CR station is forced off air through lack of funding.
Watch this space (or not!)
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Old 16-01-2015, 09:54
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Two years after the great and good(and those not so great or good) were summoned to a consultation by DCMS into the future of Community Radio, Ed Vaizey has promised that next week he will make an announcement aimed at clarifying the ongoing situation.
Ahead of knowing what that announcement might be, I'd rather cynically suggest that given the life expectancy of the present Parliament anything that he says will be at best delayed and at worst completely ignored by any incoming government. This against a background where it seems that almost weekly another CR station is forced off air through lack of funding.
Watch this space (or not!)
The ongoing situation is the present system broken & stations are having to close .
There is no funding available & as a result stations are closed ?.
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Old 22-01-2015, 12:52
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The statement has been made. Cue comments.
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Old 22-01-2015, 15:20
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It,s upset the commercial boys ?. Let battle commenced ?.
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Old 22-01-2015, 16:20
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Had a good look at the changes & it not solving the fact that there is no funding available for community radio ?. So will we see community stations having to turn in to commercial stations just to survive?
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Old 22-01-2015, 16:49
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Yes I think that s the implication

I found this paragraph interesting though

We recognise that evidence base evaluating on the impact of community radio on
the communities served is currently limited and we will consider whether research is needed to address this gap. We will involve the Community Media Association and Radio Centre,

I wonder if that means they are going to do some survey work on Community Radio
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Old 22-01-2015, 17:06
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Had a good look at the changes & it not solving the fact that there is no funding available for community radio ?. So will we see community stations having to turn in to commercial stations just to survive?
Seems grants are getting harder to find with the cutbacks and more ads will be allowed
http://media.info/radio/news/governm...ommunity-radio
Shirley Ludford, station manager and trainer at Swindon 105.5 community radio station, said:
“I am delighted at this news, which will enable me and the team to spend more time on the delivery of our service and less on fundraising and grant applications.
The small commercial station in Swindon struggled but seems stable as a Jack FM but (along with Heart) might find it having more competition for local radios ads from Swindon 105? But a town the size of Swindon could provide enough local ads for 3 stations providing Heart and Jack also get some national ads?
Some smaller towns might still struggle to support local stations with local content and news with local ads?
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Old 22-01-2015, 20:46
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The small commercial station in Swindon struggled but seems stable as a Jack FM but (along with Heart) might find it having more competition for local radios ads from Swindon 105? But a town the size of Swindon could provide enough local ads for 3 stations providing Heart and Jack also get some national ads?
Some smaller towns might still struggle to support local stations with local content and news with local ads?
I don't understand all the fuss from these commercial stations

http://www.radiocentre.org/files/01_...ofit_radio.pdf

There is something wrong with any commercial station that is seriously threatened by a community radio station - and if they are seriously affected they deserve to die....
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Old 22-01-2015, 21:27
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There is something wrong with any commercial station that is seriously threatened by a community radio station - and if they are seriously affected they deserve to die....
The sales force of any commercial station would be able to walk all over them - assuming that the community station has, or can even afford, a dedicated sales person - at the first sign of any worthwhile deal they'd steam in and play the RAJAR figures card...end of deal. Been there already...
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Old 22-01-2015, 21:37
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The sales force of any commercial station would be able to walk all over them - assuming that the community station has, or can even afford, a dedicated sales person - at the first sign of any worthwhile deal they'd steam in and play the RAJAR figures card...end of deal. Been there already...
We have a community station down the road they charge £25 for on air advert .
I cannot imagine commercial stations charging £25 ?.
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Old 22-01-2015, 22:04
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We have a community station down the road they charge £25 for on air advert .
I cannot imagine commercial stations charging £25 ?.
Quite agree with both the above posts to some extent

this is an interesting analysis of the position http://a-bc.co.uk/dcms-community-rad...sponse-part-2/
it’s all a bit of a damp squib as we predicted in our post on Monday. By DCMS’s own admission (in their Impact Assessment) it is actually a “Modest Change”. You can see for yourself in their document and on other radio news websites. Community radio currently has a 0.7% share of radio advertising in the UK (source Ofcom Communications Market report 2014). If all CR stations take 100% advantage of the new £15k advertising ability it will increase to around 1.4% – hardly earth shattering. In reality though many community stations will use the new “disregard figure” to reduce the considerable time and effort they currently spend raising funds through non-radio means.

And it is also likely that community radio’s share of the radio advertising market is actually increasing the market size. After all, how many big advertisers have you heard on your local community radio station? The reality is that these small radio stations with 25watt transmitters run by part-time volunteers attract a different tier of advertisers who cannot afford to advertise on commercial stations.
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Old 23-01-2015, 11:09
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We have a community station down the road they charge £25 for on air advert .
I cannot imagine commercial stations charging £25 ?.
It's all about perceived value, though. When you say 'charging £25 for an on air advert', is that PER advert (which would be extortionate!), per week, for a campaign…?

There's a fine line between offering value (versus larger stations) and selling yourself short. Phoning the Chief Exec of Tesco and asking hundreds for a campaign that costs thousands elsewhere isn't necessarily a good move; what you ask advertisers for essentially dictates how much you value your airtime, and any station charging £25 for a campaign obviously doesn't think its airtime is worth that much!
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Old 23-01-2015, 11:44
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I don't understand all the fuss from these commercial stations

http://www.radiocentre.org/files/01_...ofit_radio.pdf

There is something wrong with any commercial station that is seriously threatened by a community radio station - and if they are seriously affected they deserve to die....
Depends on the station really - I notice in the government document Mansfield 103.2 and High Peak Radio are mentioned in there. I could see how independent operators like that could be affected by a community station coming on their patch selling advertising.

In fact those two stations despite being commercial have a community radio ethos.
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Old 23-01-2015, 16:09
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Depends on the station really - I notice in the government document Mansfield 103.2 and High Peak Radio are mentioned in there. I could see how independent operators like that could be affected by a community station coming on their patch selling advertising.

In fact those two stations despite being commercial have a community radio ethos.
Agreed, but ILR stations that have any real links with their community are few and far between nowadays ..... And even then - maybe they SHOULD be Community radio stations.

When it all started including BBC Local radio - weren't they ALL supposed to be connected to the communities they served... That is (even with the BBC) largely gone now with No local broadcasting on the BBC after 7pm and very little actual connection with the local scene at all from the likes of Heart, Absolute, Smooth etc etc
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Old 23-01-2015, 17:28
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When it all started including BBC Local radio - weren't they ALL supposed to be connected to the communities they served... That is (even with the BBC) largely gone now with No local broadcasting on the BBC after 7pm and very little actual connection with the local scene at all from the likes of Heart, Absolute, Smooth etc etc
But the BBC and commercial stations say they are concentrating scarce local resources for the breakfast and drive shows which get the most audience.

However some community stations like Hot in Bournemouth have picked up specialist shows big groups like Celador dropped.
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Old 23-01-2015, 17:30
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My reading is that community radio stations can earn an extra £15,000 through advertising in addition to the 50% rule. Hardly a big boost?

Even in times of austerity, isn't there scope for increased public funding, possibly from the slice of BBC licence fee being spent supporting local TV? The money would go a lot further in radio.
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Old 23-01-2015, 17:36
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Regional TV was Jeremy Hunt'a baby, he was not interested in radio
The London Live TV station is struggling and may not survive according to some reports. http://www.theguardian.com/media/gre...live-tvratings
Some BBC local stations have been giving help to some community stations but should funding go to community stations when funds are being cut back at BBC local stations?
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Old Yesterday, 03:09
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Regional TV was Jeremy Hunt'a baby, he was not interested in radio
The London Live TV station is struggling and may not survive according to some reports. http://www.theguardian.com/media/gre...live-tvratings
Some BBC local stations have been giving help to some community stations but should funding go to community stations when funds are being cut back at BBC local stations?
YES! I am afraid many of the BBC Local radio stations really appear to be "not fit for purpose" anymore - more concerned with Naval gazing BBC politics than with anything actually local!

But I tend to agree that Local TV is largely an expensive folly that is just wasting licence payers money - Community radio where you can actually see the presenters faces - urggh Having said that I did see one interesting programme on Mustard TV in Norwich
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Old Yesterday, 11:10
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Depends on the station really - I notice in the government document Mansfield 103.2 and High Peak Radio are mentioned in there. I could see how independent operators like that could be affected by a community station coming on their patch selling advertising.

In fact those two stations despite being commercial have a community radio ethos.
Agreed. Another example is Sunrise Radio in Bradford. Despite being a station serving the asian population in Bradford / West Yorkshire, there are now community stations that seem to be able to be heard across Leeds / Bradford. In fact over 20km from their transmission area. Asian Fever in Leeds can be heard clearly in Sheffield on certain days...mainly evenings and weekends (interestingly). And there are now another two services aimed at the asian community which will come on air soon.

If Sunrise was a regional station then it would make sense.

In regards to Asian programming in Bradford you can hear: this includes DAB too

Sunrise Radio
Paigham Radio
Asian Fever
BCB
Asian Sound
Bradford Asian Radio (community service launching on MW)
BBC Asian Network
BBC Leeds
Aakash radio (punjabi service community)
Every month there is an RSL aimed at the asian community.

With the Asian Population in Bradford in 2011 reported to be around 140,149 . How do Ofcom think this is right????
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Old Today, 02:31
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one of the problems i have regarding community radio is why it takes so long 2 get on air it takes average btween 18months and 2years 4 a community radio 2 get on air.
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Old Today, 09:50
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So the radio centre are concerned about 'blurring the lines between community and commercial radio'

How about blurring the lines between local and semi national radio through the back door.....Oh that's OK then is it!


I don't understand all the fuss from these commercial stations

http://www.radiocentre.org/files/01_...ofit_radio.pdf

There is something wrong with any commercial station that is seriously threatened by a community radio station - and if they are seriously affected they deserve to die....
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Old Today, 10:39
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one of the problems i have regarding community radio is why it takes so long 2 get on air it takes average btween 18months and 2years 4 a community radio 2 get on air.
Because it's a lot of work which most people are doing in their spare time.
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