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Old 28-01-2013, 20:06
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I hate late kick offs, especially when they delay Saturday Edition.

I'd just do away with 6-0-6 or stick it on Sports Xtra, especially with the focus on getting people to listen to DAB
talkSPORT had a similar scheduling situation yesterday - just as it was unusual for Radio 5 Live to be able to do commentary on a Saturday 5.30pm game (talkSPORT have rights to Premier League matches in that timeslot), they were doing commentary on 4pm game (to which 5 Live hold the PL radio rights) which is a rarity for them. Usually they would have Call Collymore after their (last) Sunday commentary game, which will go out between 4-6pm most Sundays or for an hour from 5pm on the rare occasions they have a 3pm game. This Sunday though, even though Stan co-commentated on the Oldham v Liverpool game, they stuck to their usual evening schedule with The Press Pass on between 6-8pm (well, they started that show a little late to take the Fifth Round Draw but otherwise it was broadcast as normal) and thus no post-match phone-in.

I rarely listen to Radio 5 Live on weekend evenings so I've probably little/no right to an opinion compared to those who normally tune in, but as an outsider I think 5 Live would be best served to do something similar here and just stick to their normal schedule on FA Cup Saturday nights after the 5.30pm games, unless it was a particularly significant match justifying a phone-in - especially given how, in my opinion, 606 is at the lowest ebb of its existence.
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Old 29-01-2013, 12:51
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Radio 5 is a mess at the moment. On the one hand it tries to be a discussion/analysis/topical debate type of station, and to be fair they do have some interesting items at times. But all too often the need to go "LIVE" to some press conference or live news broadcast completely breaks the flow of the show, and a lot of what had been covered either needs to be discussed again, or is simply forgotten. Plus, the news and sport updates every half hour and travel updates go on far too long. Do we really need the same sport headlines repeated ad nauseum every time?

Radio 5 Live needs to make its mind up - either drop the "live" and become a more chat/discussion focussed station, or drop the analysis and discussion altogether and focus purely on live news and sport.

They could also drop some of the more, erm, "low quality" people from the show, such as Richard Bacon and Colin Murray, who would not have been allowed anywhere near 5 Live around a decade ago.
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Old 29-01-2013, 14:23
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There was a major incident on 5Live today . A mouse appeared and ran over Sheila Fogerty's hand. They are promising to put it on I player later , should be a laugh !
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Old 29-01-2013, 14:54
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Radio 5 is a mess at the moment. On the one hand it tries to be a discussion/analysis/topical debate type of station, and to be fair they do have some interesting items at times. But all too often the need to go "LIVE" to some press conference or live news broadcast completely breaks the flow of the show, and a lot of what had been covered either needs to be discussed again, or is simply forgotten. Plus, the news and sport updates every half hour and travel updates go on far too long. Do we really need the same sport headlines repeated ad nauseum every time?

Radio 5 Live needs to make its mind up - either drop the "live" and become a more chat/discussion focussed station, or drop the analysis and discussion altogether and focus purely on live news and sport.

They could also drop some of the more, erm, "low quality" people from the show, such as Richard Bacon and Colin Murray, who would not have been allowed anywhere near 5 Live around a decade ago.
I think the mix is a good compromise.

If you were to programme a station without news and sport to hang it on, then people wouldn't listen. There needs to be a reason to initially tune to a station, then discover the personalities, in much the same way as music normally performs this role.

In that way you can't ignore breaking news, and I think 5 Live handles the interruptions quite well, even during shows where it doesn't fit (like Mayo and Kermode).

I disagree with you on Richard Bacon. I think his show provides a necessary lightness to counterbalance the non-stop news throughout the day, while still covering the major stories.
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Old 29-01-2013, 15:46
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Radio 5 Live needs to make its mind up - either drop the "live" and become a more chat/discussion focussed station, or drop the analysis and discussion altogether and focus purely on live news and sport.
It is the interruptions for a ‘Wicket at the cricket’ that I find the most irritating, if knowing immediately the cricket score is so important surely you would be listening the Sports Extra / TMS?

Also many of the press conferences they switch to outside courts with a victim’s family / solicitor don’t really need to be live, edited highlights would be better in the news bulletin.

Yes some things should be taken live but they need to be a bit more selective so not to needlessly break the flow of a discussion.

Also travel reports, just filler to give the presenter a break?
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Old 29-01-2013, 17:11
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What has happened to Alan Green...not well again?

Not a fan of the guy but hope he is ok.
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Old 29-01-2013, 19:20
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It is the interruptions for a ‘Wicket at the cricket’ that I find the most irritating, if knowing immediately the cricket score is so important surely you would be listening the Sports Extra / TMS?

Also many of the press conferences they switch to outside courts with a victim’s family / solicitor don’t really need to be live, edited highlights would be better in the news bulletin.

Yes some things should be taken live but they need to be a bit more selective so not to needlessly break the flow of a discussion.

Also travel reports, just filler to give the presenter a break?
we agree on this as well streaky I'm sure we' 'll be corrected soon enough though!
the wickets are extremely annoying as is the 7 a.m.or is it 6:57 switch over.....
amazingly NC held off jumping into the interview with one of the richest most influential figures of the 20TH century...Mr.Gates....
left to RB it wasn't too bad however really irked by the way it started.....let's talk about your polio program....instead of May we?
otherwise ok but not sure with his philanthropy program if he deserved to have the corporate tax question boot in out of all the company execs out there not sure if he deserved that one IMO

I heard the fogarty clip on drive she threatened to resign unless it went.......
Louise Minchin said she hadn't done......
I think I'll be off to the pet shop with a delivery for Salford if that's all it takes to get shot of her!
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Old 29-01-2013, 19:56
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It is the interruptions for a ‘Wicket at the cricket’ that I find the most irritating, if knowing immediately the cricket score is so important surely you would be listening the Sports Extra / TMS?
Not everyone has access to DAB and LW all of the time, particularly when they are on the move, so a number of listeners will be reliant on Radio 5 Live (or talkSPORT) for their updates from the cricket. Radio 4 LW is available on MW in some parts of the country, but not everywhere so this is an area where 5 Live can come into its own for listeners in this boat.

I sympathise to an extent with people being annoyed with 5 Live cutting away sharply from something they are interested in to provide news on the fall of a wicket, but at the same time they are well within their remit to provide extensive coverage of international cricket and in my opinion they absolutely should be carrying regular updates on England games. If managed right - even if that means holding back on reporting all but the most crucial of wickets for a minute or so after they fall - I think cricket updates and everything else should be able to co-exist easily enough to the tastes of most listeners.

But just because something is on offer elsewhere, that shouldn't mean 5 Live must completely divorce themselves from it (especially I would argue something like the cricket which, unlike live football matches that are exclusive commentaries elsewhere on the national AM dial, isn't readily available as a live commentary to all of those interested in it).
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Old 30-01-2013, 10:46
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Radio 5 is a mess at the moment. On the one hand it tries to be a discussion/analysis/topical debate type of station, and to be fair they do have some interesting items at times. But all too often the need to go "LIVE" to some press conference or live news broadcast completely breaks the flow of the show, and a lot of what had been covered either needs to be discussed again, or is simply forgotten. Plus, the news and sport updates every half hour and travel updates go on far too long. Do we really need the same sport headlines repeated ad nauseum every time?

Radio 5 Live needs to make its mind up - either drop the "live" and become a more chat/discussion focussed station, or drop the analysis and discussion altogether and focus purely on live news and sport.

They could also drop some of the more, erm, "low quality" people from the show, such as Richard Bacon and Colin Murray, who would not have been allowed anywhere near 5 Live around a decade ago.
That is a really good analysis, and I totally agree with it. There is a real conflict at the moment, and they really are not doing either terribly well. They have certainly dumbed down their coverage significantly in some areas, and some of the presenters are indeed markedly inferior to the original ones.

There are still good programmes and good presenters, but they struggle amongst the confusion that often seems to characterise the output. Some of the formats are also very stale and dated - the phone in would be top of my list for the chop for example. Campbells usual tactic of getting three people on at the same time to have a row just seems a total waste of time and energy. Likewise on the few occasions I have listened to VD recently her show has been so downmarket in tone I have switched it off.

I also agree about the continuous interruptions - this morning for example someone was cut off so a weather person could tell us that they were going to tell us about the weather in half an hours time. Why!! either tell us about the weather, or don't waste the air time.
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Old 30-01-2013, 11:58
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Radio 5 Live needs to make its mind up - either drop the "live" and become a more chat/discussion focussed station, or drop the analysis and discussion altogether and focus purely on live news and sport.
Well there are about four years before the next Servce Licence review, which is the only mechanism by which such changes can be made. Perhaps if there really is the will for such change, people need to start lobbying the BBC Trust in large numbers.
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Old 30-01-2013, 12:45
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Well there are about four years before the next Servce Licence review, which is the only mechanism by which such changes can be made. Perhaps if there really is the will for such change, people need to start lobbying the BBC Trust in large numbers.
Why do we have to go down this route? The BBC have managed to dumb the station down without the involvement of the BBC trust, surely they can make the operational decisions to correct some of the problems that are annoying people and spoiling the listening experience themselves. What are Controllers for if not that?
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Old 30-01-2013, 12:46
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Last night I listened to the World Tonight on Radio 4. The headlines included the following stories

Teenagers Among More Than 60 Found Dead in Syrian Riverbank Massacre
UK military personnel to be sent to West Africa
Biggest split yet for Coalition as Lib Dems vote down boundary changes before 2015
nurseries can look after more children

I switched over to Tony Livesey and wondered of the above stories he would lead with at the start of his show. The answer none of them. No, after what felt like a five minute intro to the show, he lead with...... Mario Balotelli possibly leaving Manchester City and will anyone miss him! Come on, 5 Live Sport has just been on for 3 and a half hours, this is NEWS now.
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Old 30-01-2013, 13:09
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There was a major incident on 5Live today . A mouse appeared and ran over Sheila Fogerty's hand. They are promising to put it on I player later , should be a laugh !
Here's the video: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/medi...helagh-fogerty
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Old 30-01-2013, 13:10
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Why do we have to go down this route? The BBC have managed to dumb the station down without the involvement of the BBC trust, surely they can make the operational decisions to correct some of the problems that are annoying people and spoiling the listening experience themselves. What are Controllers for if not that?
Unfortunately "dumbing the station down" is a subjective opinion, rather than an actual programming/format decision. The poster I responded to was suggesting changes that would significantly alter the character of the station - to either a rolling news and sport network or a broader talk network.

The last Service Review - carried out around a year ago - said that Five Live's focus on breaking news should be maintained. It also made other recommendations, some based on lobbying from the likes of TalkSport. So what you have now is a format determined by the BBC Trust - after a consultation - and with the input of its commercial rivals.
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Old 30-01-2013, 13:53
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Was Shealagh going to be off today or is she off because of the 'mouse ' incident

Tony Livesey doing PMQ's
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Old 30-01-2013, 14:16
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Was Shealagh going to be off today or is she off because of the 'mouse ' incident

Tony Livesey doing PMQ's
Probably receiving counselling after her trauma.
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Old 30-01-2013, 17:17
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Last night I listened to the World Tonight on Radio 4. The headlines included the following stories

Teenagers Among More Than 60 Found Dead in Syrian Riverbank Massacre
UK military personnel to be sent to West Africa
Biggest split yet for Coalition as Lib Dems vote down boundary changes before 2015
nurseries can look after more children

I switched over to Tony Livesey and wondered of the above stories he would lead with at the start of his show. The answer none of them. No, after what felt like a five minute intro to the show, he lead with...... Mario Balotelli possibly leaving Manchester City and will anyone miss him! Come on, 5 Live Sport has just been on for 3 and a half hours, this is NEWS now.
Why would you want two stations doing the exact same thing? Sounds like you've got a station for you in Radio 4 leading with more serious topics.

Like it or not, more Radio 5 Live target listeners are likely to be talking about Balotelli, especially as his show comes right after a sport zone and will have a large inherited audience.

I'm sure they touched on the more serious stories during the show, thus ensuring an audience that otherwise wouldn't have heard them did so.

Also, the night-time show has a reputation for being a lighter show. If you want in-depth and serious you've got the 10pm BBC1 news, Newsnight, Scotland Tonight (in Scotland), the World Tonight, the BBC World Service, ITV News ... I could go on. Why duplicate?
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Old 31-01-2013, 10:10
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BBC Radio 5 live recorded a reach of 6.12 million, from 6.10m last quarter and 6.23m last year and combined reach with sister station 5 live sports extra of 6.27 million listeners (6.32m last quarter and 6.34m last year). Its share is 4.3%, from 4.4% last quarter and 4.3% last year.
Pretty much flatlining then, what did 5 live Breakfast get?
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Old 31-01-2013, 10:35
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Pretty much flatlining then, what did 5 live Breakfast get?
No doubt as usual, whatever the Rajars, every 5 live presenter will claim an extra "300,000 listeners".
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Old 31-01-2013, 10:52
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No doubt as usual, whatever the Rajars, every 5 live presenter will claim an extra "300,000 listeners".
When AVK / Wall have written their quarterly blog posts regarding previous RAJARs they like to make a big thing of the figures being over 6 million. I don’t think much will change unless they drop below the magic 6m.

I do hope they appoint from outside rather than just promoting Jonathan Wall to controller as there is need in my opnion to freshen up the output.
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Old 31-01-2013, 11:42
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Why would you want two stations doing the exact same thing? Sounds like you've got a station for you in Radio 4 leading with more serious topics.

Like it or not, more Radio 5 Live target listeners are likely to be talking about Balotelli, especially as his show comes right after a sport zone and will have a large inherited audience.

I'm sure they touched on the more serious stories during the show, thus ensuring an audience that otherwise wouldn't have heard them did so.

Also, the night-time show has a reputation for being a lighter show. If you want in-depth and serious you've got the 10pm BBC1 news, Newsnight, Scotland Tonight (in Scotland), the World Tonight, the BBC World Service, ITV News ... I could go on. Why duplicate?
I don't want to watch telly at that time of day as I'm winding down. I want to know what has been going on in the world and I would have thought the BBC's News and Sport station would be the ideal place to find that out. I know it's a light look at the news, and I'm happy with that. It's just all the crap that goes on between the actual news. Singing text messages, what can you see from your window, etc. Who cares.

Apart from anything else, the transfer has only just been completed, so why lead a programme on Tuesday with something that might happen, tomorrow or the day after. I know he was a character but still, come on. It didn't deserve the lead story!

The most used phrases in news reporting these days seem to be 'are expected to say' and 'is likely to say'. Gone are the days where the news reported what has happened, now they try to predict what is going to happen.
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Old 31-01-2013, 12:23
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I want to know what has been going on in the world and I would have thought the BBC's News and Sport station would be the ideal place to find that out. I know it's a light look at the news, and I'm happy with that. It's just all the crap that goes on between the actual news. Singing text messages, what can you see from your window, etc. Who cares.
I used to love the late show on 5 Live when Fi Glover presented it, had just the right balance of news, discussion and lighter stories. The switch away from news with trivia text ins etc. came when Richard Bacon presented the late programme.
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Old 31-01-2013, 16:04
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Let's separate content and presenters. I don't mind light-hearted items. The correct time for them is mid-morning, mid-afternoon and possibly late evening when the live sport has finished. However, I don't enjoy the presenting styles of Stephen Nolan, Richard Bacon or Colin Murray - Nolan too pompous and controlling, the other two like two little boys let loose in a toyshop.
Serious news items are quite rightly on the Breakfast Show and Drivetime and are usually treated well. Peter Allen and Louise Minchin are both excellent - the right mixture of gravitas and informality.
I also like Nicky Campbell, who can conduct serious interviews well, but he has some infuriating habits - breaking into interviews being conducted by his sidekick, having too many callers on at once on Your Call, then not intervening soon enough when they start to talk over each other.
Also, since Shelagh Fogarty left Breakfast, NC has almost taken it over as his show. Sometimes get the impression that he is the teacher to Rachel Burden's pupil. A little unsavoury at times.
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Old 31-01-2013, 16:53
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Let's separate content and presenters. I don't mind light-hearted items. The correct time for them is mid-morning, mid-afternoon and possibly late evening when the live sport has finished. However, I don't enjoy the presenting styles of Stephen Nolan, Richard Bacon or Colin Murray - Nolan too pompous and controlling, the other two like two little boys let loose in a toyshop.
Serious news items are quite rightly on the Breakfast Show and Drivetime and are usually treated well. Peter Allen and Louise Minchin are both excellent - the right mixture of gravitas and informality.
I also like Nicky Campbell, who can conduct serious interviews well, but he has some infuriating habits - breaking into interviews being conducted by his sidekick, having too many callers on at once on Your Call, then not intervening soon enough when they start to talk over each other.
Also, since Shelagh Fogarty left Breakfast, NC has almost taken it over as his show. Sometimes get the impression that he is the teacher to Rachel Burden's pupil. A little unsavoury at times.
quite agree with most posts above tHE figures flat lining no surprise nothing to tempt New people as it's stale & few alternative s to those amongst us here who would like a freshen up that an outside controller May bring.......
don't mind bacon in the right time slot no interest in Murray but Nolan Def pompous & far better local presenter s who don't have to be flown in......

nil chance of fi Glover I'm afraid I agree on that too......
until queen Victoria abdicates & stays in London full time that is

disconcerting on breakfast Phil Williams at 6 a.m & burden inherited NC habit of butting in at 6:55
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Old 31-01-2013, 17:18
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This thread just highlights the problem of trying to keep a wide audience which has little choice in talk radio happy.

From my point of view, if 5 Live turned into a non-stop news and sport station only featuring calls from Mr Angrys, I would stop listening. It's the balance between getting a news fix and being entertained that I listen for.

I also feel that there's a lack of outlets for talented speech broadcasters who don't focus on news, whose acts are only viable as part of a bigger news and sport station like 5 Live. It would be a big loss to do a BBC London, ditch the entertainment and only do news, in my view at least.

While it's an untidy mix at times, I believe to go too far one way or the other would be disastrous.
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