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Was The Moon surname used to cross reference Kat's man in the moon? |
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Was The Moon surname used to cross reference Kat's man in the moon?
I think it was!
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It was. Alfie and Kat's marriage was also based on Tony Jordan's (who created Kat and Alfie) real life relationship. He spoke it about it in one of the BBC 3 specials.
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It was. Alfie and Kat's marriage was also based on Tony Jordan's (who created Kat and Alfie) real life relationship. He spoke it about it in one of the BBC 3 specials.
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Are you referring to the scene where Kat looked out of the window and asked 'Are there two moons?' One of the silliest lines ever in a soap (even for a thick character like Kat).
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I'm sure I read that Alfie was originally planned for Sharon but then bosses saw the great chemistry between Kat and Alfie so it was changed. Saying that wasnt it Tony Jordan that wrote the 'man in the moon line' and seeing that he invented Alfie then you are probably right.
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I thought it was planned?
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Tony Jordan actually said it was planned. The first reference was around when you aint my muvva stuff was going on. And they do plan far ahead. It was a deliberate move
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I'm sure I read that Alfie was originally planned for Sharon but then bosses saw the great chemistry between Kat and Alfie so it was changed. Saying that wasnt it Tony Jordan that wrote the 'man in the moon line' and seeing that he invented Alfie then you are probably right.
And yes, it was no coincidence that Alfie's surname was Moon. |
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Vinnie Monks was created by Diederick Santer after Shirley once said she had a thing for men in dresses. True story.
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haha..
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The original Kat-Alfie pairing seemed quite organic, based on the actors chemistry together. I think the story developed from there and the 'man in the moon line' was fortuitous.
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Kat and Alfie 2002 - 2005 were brilliant. Absolutely nothing like unbearable, mess they have been 2010 onwards.
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As a matter of fact, the moon motif was very meaningful in that memorable episode (not just in terms of Alfie's name).
Christine Geraghty has written an in depth analysis of Kat's incest storyline. Here is an excerpt (you can find the full text 'Discussing Quality: critical vocabularies and popular television drama' online: www.compos.org.br) 'Crucially, the motif of the moon bound this complex mise-en-scene together. The first episode begins with a shot of the moon shining over the square and the strains of 'Blue Moon' can be heard from the pub. In the 'truth or dare' game at the hen night, Dot tells of a stolen kiss and astonishingly finishes the story with a quotation from Dylan Thomas about the 'mile high moon'. The alternating party scenes are bathed in warm light and bright colours but other, more intimate scenes are lit by the cold, blue moonlight. Zoe, for instance, listens to the first part of Kat's account from behind the closed door of her bedroom, her face turned up to the moon. The motif of the moon is specifically alluded to, in a key scene in the third episode, when Kat reminds her father of the promise he had made her, when she was six years old, that the Man in the Moon who would keep her safe when she was in bed. As the moon shines in on the grownup Kat, she tells her father how the moon had shone down on her when Harry had entered her room to abuse her, making her realise that, despite her father's promise, she was no longer safe. Later, Kat looks up at the moon as she sits in the square, planning suicide. And the final image of the week was of a full moon, dramatically filling the screen as Zoe left the Square and Kat looked up from her hospital bed.' (Geraghty, 2007, p.4-5) |
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When they left in the first place it was the end of a brilliant story.
Torn to pieces now beyond repair :'( |
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Kat Slater and Alfie Moon 2002 - 2005 were amazing. Kat was my most favourite and iconic character but they have ruined her. Time for Kat to leave and Alfie to start a new life with Roxy.
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It was, yes but the it's all meaningless now since EE decided to give them one big retcon on comeback.
Thier whole story has been re-written. What a shame. |
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It was, yes but the it's all meaningless now since EE decided to give them one big retcon on comeback.
Thier whole story has been re-written. What a shame. |
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I try to pretend they never returned. Whos idea was it to destroy such a brilliant couple?
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As a matter of fact, the moon motif was very meaningful in that memorable episode (not just in terms of Alfie's name).
Christine Geraghty has written an in depth analysis of Kat's incest storyline. Here is an excerpt (you can find the full text 'Discussing Quality: critical vocabularies and popular television drama' online: www.compos.org.br) 'Crucially, the motif of the moon bound this complex mise-en-scene together. The first episode begins with a shot of the moon shining over the square and the strains of 'Blue Moon' can be heard from the pub. In the 'truth or dare' game at the hen night, Dot tells of a stolen kiss and astonishingly finishes the story with a quotation from Dylan Thomas about the 'mile high moon'. The alternating party scenes are bathed in warm light and bright colours but other, more intimate scenes are lit by the cold, blue moonlight. Zoe, for instance, listens to the first part of Kat's account from behind the closed door of her bedroom, her face turned up to the moon. The motif of the moon is specifically alluded to, in a key scene in the third episode, when Kat reminds her father of the promise he had made her, when she was six years old, that the Man in the Moon who would keep her safe when she was in bed. As the moon shines in on the grownup Kat, she tells her father how the moon had shone down on her when Harry had entered her room to abuse her, making her realise that, despite her father's promise, she was no longer safe. Later, Kat looks up at the moon as she sits in the square, planning suicide. And the final image of the week was of a full moon, dramatically filling the screen as Zoe left the Square and Kat looked up from her hospital bed.' (Geraghty, 2007, p.4-5) |
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As a matter of fact, the moon motif was very meaningful in that memorable episode (not just in terms of Alfie's name).
Christine Geraghty has written an in depth analysis of Kat's incest storyline. Here is an excerpt (you can find the full text 'Discussing Quality: critical vocabularies and popular television drama' online: www.compos.org.br) 'Crucially, the motif of the moon bound this complex mise-en-scene together. The first episode begins with a shot of the moon shining over the square and the strains of 'Blue Moon' can be heard from the pub. In the 'truth or dare' game at the hen night, Dot tells of a stolen kiss and astonishingly finishes the story with a quotation from Dylan Thomas about the 'mile high moon'. The alternating party scenes are bathed in warm light and bright colours but other, more intimate scenes are lit by the cold, blue moonlight. Zoe, for instance, listens to the first part of Kat's account from behind the closed door of her bedroom, her face turned up to the moon. The motif of the moon is specifically alluded to, in a key scene in the third episode, when Kat reminds her father of the promise he had made her, when she was six years old, that the Man in the Moon who would keep her safe when she was in bed. As the moon shines in on the grownup Kat, she tells her father how the moon had shone down on her when Harry had entered her room to abuse her, making her realise that, despite her father's promise, she was no longer safe. Later, Kat looks up at the moon as she sits in the square, planning suicide. And the final image of the week was of a full moon, dramatically filling the screen as Zoe left the Square and Kat looked up from her hospital bed.' (Geraghty, 2007, p.4-5) |
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the producers apparently liked Richie so much they created Alfie specifically for him.
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