I can't see us winning the Europa League for the same reason, this is what I was really worried about after losing to Swansea - we're knackering our limited squad out with these pointless cup runs that come to nothing, and then jeopardizing the Champs league spot.
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I think we should sacrifice top 4 to win the Europa league.
That might sound silly, but, as pointed about before, during, and after every bloody game, the players need rest, and we have more league games left that European games. Makes more sense to play the youth team in the league IMO.....Mata, Hazard etc.. can spend the next few months with their feet up and come back better than ever next season to secure top 4 and not win anything ever.
That might sound silly, but, as pointed about before, during, and after every bloody game, the players need rest, and we have more league games left that European games. Makes more sense to play the youth team in the league IMO.....Mata, Hazard etc.. can spend the next few months with their feet up and come back better than ever next season to secure top 4 and not win anything ever.
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“what a year it has been - playing far far too many games.
15 more than city, and it showed yesterday”
“what a year it has been - playing far far too many games.
15 more than city, and it showed yesterday”
The price of actually having a chance of winning things unlike most of the teams in the league.
We have become a game so obsessed with where our team finish in the league that we have forgot the true point of the game.
We only look like a team who has played more games when Rafa has his tactics wrong. When he changed them (too late) we scared the hell out of 2nd best team in the country,
Originally Posted by NinjyBear:
“I think we should sacrifice top 4 to win the Europa league.
That might sound silly, but, as pointed about before, during, and after every bloody game, the players need rest, and we have more league games left that European games. Makes more sense to play the youth team in the league IMO.....Mata, Hazard etc.. can spend the next few months with their feet up and come back better than ever next season to secure top 4 and not win anything ever.”
“I think we should sacrifice top 4 to win the Europa league.
That might sound silly, but, as pointed about before, during, and after every bloody game, the players need rest, and we have more league games left that European games. Makes more sense to play the youth team in the league IMO.....Mata, Hazard etc.. can spend the next few months with their feet up and come back better than ever next season to secure top 4 and not win anything ever.”
This is an interesting viewpoint no doubt - the only thing I'd say is that we're always winning s**t, we're Chelsea and we have a billionaire owner.
If I was an Arsenal supporter then maybe I'd entertain what you're saying here.
Originally Posted by Daryl Dark:
“This is an interesting viewpoint no doubt - the only thing I'd say is that we're always winning s**t, we're Chelsea and we have a billionaire owner.
If I was an Arsenal supporter then maybe I'd entertain what you're saying here.”
“This is an interesting viewpoint no doubt - the only thing I'd say is that we're always winning s**t, we're Chelsea and we have a billionaire owner.
If I was an Arsenal supporter then maybe I'd entertain what you're saying here.
”
It was not so long Arsenal was always winning s**t, They got complacente and we are in danger of doing the same.
It use to be us Utd and Arsenal with the biggest balls in the playground and nobody came close, Now City,Spurs have come along with some fairly big balls add Everton hovering around. We start to count on always winning things and we will be where the Arsenal fans are
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“It was not so long Arsenal was always winning s**t, They got complacente and we are in danger of doing the same.
It use to be us Utd and Arsenal with the biggest balls in the playground and nobody came close, Now City,Spurs have come along with some fairly big balls add Everton hovering around. We start to count on always winning things and we will be where the Arsenal fans are”
“It was not so long Arsenal was always winning s**t, They got complacente and we are in danger of doing the same.
It use to be us Utd and Arsenal with the biggest balls in the playground and nobody came close, Now City,Spurs have come along with some fairly big balls add Everton hovering around. We start to count on always winning things and we will be where the Arsenal fans are”
Don't agree - there's a huge difference in that Arsenal stopped spending money, while we have it coming our of our arses.
Originally Posted by Daryl Dark:
“This is an interesting viewpoint no doubt - the only thing I'd say is that we're always winning s**t, we're Chelsea and we have a billionaire owner.
If I was an Arsenal supporter then maybe I'd entertain what you're saying here.”
“This is an interesting viewpoint no doubt - the only thing I'd say is that we're always winning s**t, we're Chelsea and we have a billionaire owner.
If I was an Arsenal supporter then maybe I'd entertain what you're saying here.
”
Yeh, but as you said earlier, if we try to win stuff we run the risk of finishing...*gasp*...5th!!
Why take the risk?
Originally Posted by NinjyBear:
“Yeh, but as you said earlier, if we try to win stuff we run the risk of finishing...*gasp*...5th!!
Why take the risk?”
“Yeh, but as you said earlier, if we try to win stuff we run the risk of finishing...*gasp*...5th!!
Why take the risk?”
Now we've got this far, we might as well go for the Europa League as well. That's my opinion anyway.
I used to play on Saturday morning, Saturday afternoon, and then again on Sunday..and I had to clean my own boots. Don't know they're born these days.
The tiredness excuse is really quite weary in itself. Look at the likes of Messi and Ronaldo, how often do they have a rest?
Originally Posted by NinjyBear:
“Yeh, but as you said earlier, if we try to win stuff we run the risk of finishing...*gasp*...5th!!
Why take the risk?”
“Yeh, but as you said earlier, if we try to win stuff we run the risk of finishing...*gasp*...5th!!
Why take the risk?”
Thought the point of football was to win "stuff"?
Originally Posted by Daryl Dark:
“Don't agree - there's a huge difference in that Arsenal stopped spending money, while we have it coming our of our arses.”
“Don't agree - there's a huge difference in that Arsenal stopped spending money, while we have it coming our of our arses.”
and thats not being complacent???
What happens if we stop spending money?
Our highlight of the 2012/13 season is finishing 4th? Sounds like the same sort of thing we chuck at Arsenal fans to me
any fan who loves their football club will always dream of more trophies. top 4 will happen ASWELL i am sure for you guys.
Originally Posted by carefree_blue:
“The tiredness excuse is really quite weary in itself. Look at the likes of Messi and Ronaldo, how often do they have a rest?”
“The tiredness excuse is really quite weary in itself. Look at the likes of Messi and Ronaldo, how often do they have a rest?”
While i do agree, We do have to factor it in as well. Its not the major issue people trying to make it but at this stage of the season the little knocks and niggles you suffer playing do take longer to heal and can turn into more serious issues. But with good management like for examaple using more then one sub in a semi final match it can be coped with.
Shame we dont have good management
Originally Posted by carefree_blue:
“The tiredness excuse is really quite weary in itself. Look at the likes of Messi and Ronaldo, how often do they have a rest?”
“The tiredness excuse is really quite weary in itself. Look at the likes of Messi and Ronaldo, how often do they have a rest?”
I wonder how messi would do against cloggers and reducers week after week?
They are protected in spain.
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“While i do agree, We do have to factor it in as well. Its not the major issue people trying to make it but at this stage of the season the little knocks and niggles you suffer playing do take longer to heal and can turn into more serious issues. But with good management like for examaple using more then one sub in a semi final match it can be coped with.
Shame we dont have good management”
“While i do agree, We do have to factor it in as well. Its not the major issue people trying to make it but at this stage of the season the little knocks and niggles you suffer playing do take longer to heal and can turn into more serious issues. But with good management like for examaple using more then one sub in a semi final match it can be coped with.
Shame we dont have good management”
bad management got you to a 2 semis and current top 4 then?
hummmmmmm
Originally Posted by whedon247:
“bad management got you to a 2 semis and current top 4 then?
hummmmmmm”
“bad management got you to a 2 semis and current top 4 then?
hummmmmmm”
Most cfc supporters will tell you we got there in spite of rafa, not because of him.
His tactics and lack of subs/ effort to change things when its clearly not working have actually cost us points/ games.
Originally Posted by whedon247:
“bad management got you to a 2 semis and current top 4 then?
hummmmmmm”
“bad management got you to a 2 semis and current top 4 then?
hummmmmmm”
Given the teams we was drawn against 2 semis was the least i expected and 3rd/4th again is the min requiement given the tools he has.
Never said anything about bad management, ok management might be acceptable for some clubs but for a team with the recent pedegree of Chelsea ok is not something we look to.
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“Most cfc supporters will tell you we got there in spite of rafa, not because of him.
His tactics and lack of subs/ effort to change things when its clearly not working have actually cost us points/ games.”
“Most cfc supporters will tell you we got there in spite of rafa, not because of him.
His tactics and lack of subs/ effort to change things when its clearly not working have actually cost us points/ games.”
Yes but at the same time we have gained points/wins due to him
But its alabout balance and in my view and other Chelsea (and non Chelsea) fans the balance is in the wrong way
Originally Posted by whedon247:
“no need for a manager at any club if players can do well in spite of them
problem solved.”
“no need for a manager at any club if players can do well in spite of them
problem solved.”
See the Champions League win.
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“See the Champions League win.”
“See the Champions League win.”
so why do you care about rafa???????? why care about mourinho?
Originally Posted by whedon247:
“so why do you care about rafa???????? why care about mourinho?”
“so why do you care about rafa???????? why care about mourinho?”
Some people you like (or care using your words) and some people you just think "nope he a ****", Rafa to many (many) people is one of those you just think "naaaa" about.
Jose has a different personality then Rafa (some might say thats because he actually has one but i not mean).
Jose has style, Rafa has the look of a boring bank manager about him.
People are going to like Jose more then Rafa for what they bring to the club, Jose is like a breath of fresh air in football.
Jose you are never sure what he is going to do as manager with his players/team selection etc. Rafa you can pretty much tell what he is going to do.
Originally Posted by whedon247:
“so why do you care about rafa???????? why care about mourinho?”
“so why do you care about rafa???????? why care about mourinho?”
It is an interesting question.
i understand disliking personalities but to say rafa is a bad manager makes some fans look childish because he clearly isnt
europa league win and he leaves happy and you guys can remember his time fondly even if you would rather not!
europa league win and he leaves happy and you guys can remember his time fondly even if you would rather not!
Originally Posted by whedon247:
“i understand disliking personalities but to say rafa is a bad manager makes some fans look childish because he clearly isnt
europa league win and he leaves happy and you guys can remember his time fondly even if you would rather not!”
“i understand disliking personalities but to say rafa is a bad manager makes some fans look childish because he clearly isnt
europa league win and he leaves happy and you guys can remember his time fondly even if you would rather not!”
saying someone is a good or bad manager (i have never used bad for Rafa) for a club is a fine line.
AVB was not a good manager for us, He is a very good manager for Spurs.
It depends on the clubs expecations. Rafa was never going to meet the expecations of Chelsea fans (or in time the board) because while he is a decent manager (think he would be a good fit for Spurs/Everton and the clubs around there) but would not be a good manager for Chelsea/Arsenal/City or Utd.
EUROPA cup win would not make us remember his time fondly as I would fully expect to win or at least get to the final with the teams left and the team Chelsea have at the moment. Avam got us to a pen kick of winning the Champions League and a win over Utd but dont mean I think of him as a top manager.
Some fans seem to think us calling Rafa not good enough to manage Chelsea as a insult, Its not its just that in the current time Chelsea are looking for a manager who could be or is currently amongt the best around, Rafa is not a member of that list and looking at his past he is very unlikely to ever get on that very short list
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