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Chelsea Supporters Thread (Part 3)
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The_don1
04-02-2013
Sturridge very good player but not a top 3 club player. He looks so good for Liverpool because apart from his fellow strike partner the rest are all not even top 6 players.

At the moment he is happy and playing to his highest level, The issues come for him when things dont go his way we then see the real Sturridge. Just not the type of player we need. I knew he would right this form at the start its how he players for the rest of the season and next and next that will show the level he is at
roddydogs
04-02-2013
Originally Posted by DSWNSM:
“Because that's crazy talk man CRAZY !!!!!!!!

”

You could say Spuds are within spitting distance of us (sorry)
seellee
04-02-2013
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“Sturridge very good player but not a top 3 club player. He looks so good for Liverpool because apart from his fellow strike partner the rest are all not even top 6 players.

At the moment he is happy and playing to his highest level, The issues come for him when things dont go his way we then see the real Sturridge. Just not the type of player we need. I knew he would right this form at the start its how he players for the rest of the season and next and next that will show the level he is at”

Really think that is a very strange comment. A player looks good because he is good as far as I'm concerned. So from what you are saying Suarez only looks good because the rest of our team is piss poor? Because if you are I have to disagree. So Michu only looks good because Swanseas players aren't top 6 quality? The fact that all three of those players have banged in goals against the top few teams this season says all you need to know. If they can do it against top defences then they are good enough.

As for your assumption our players aren't top 6 quality,I'd say Gerrard is, as is Glen Johnson and quite a few more. I'd much rather have our strikeforce than your strikeforce if I'm honest and I'm sure some Chelsea supporters would agree!

Are there any other Chelsea fans who are going to try and justify the selling of Sturridge? Can't wait to say what you are going to say when he scores another hatful of goals and you then try to justify him sitting on the bench whilst a certain Spaniard was toiling up front!

I wasn't totally with the Sturridge transfer I have to say, but he is winning me round. Not just on the goalscoring either, his workrate has been very good for the team, and I am impressed with his passing and hold up play. Maybe because I've always heard some Chelsea fans telling me he was so selfish and doesn't play for the team or pass!! If he carries on like this £12m will be a snip!
The_don1
04-02-2013
Originally Posted by seellee:
“Really think that is a very strange comment. A player looks good because he is good as far as I'm concerned. So from what you are saying Suarez only looks good because the rest of our team is piss poor? Because if you are I have to disagree. So Michu only looks good because Swanseas players aren't top 6 quality? The fact that all three of those players have banged in goals against the top few teams this season says all you need to know. If they can do it against top defences then they are good enough.

As for your assumption our players aren't top 6 quality,I'd say Gerrard is, as is Glen Johnson and quite a few more. I'd much rather have our strikeforce than your strikeforce if I'm honest and I'm sure some Chelsea supporters would agree!

Are there any other Chelsea fans who are going to try and justify the selling of Sturridge? Can't wait to say what you are going to say when he scores another hatful of goals and you then try to justify him sitting on the bench whilst a certain Spaniard was toiling up front!

I wasn't totally with the Sturridge transfer I have to say, but he is winning me round. Not just on the goalscoring either, his workrate has been very good for the team, and I am impressed with his passing and hold up play. Maybe because I've always heard some Chelsea fans telling me he was so selfish and doesn't play for the team or pass!! If he carries on like this £12m will be a snip!”

Would say there are not "top" defences this years (would question there are decent ones myself). Never said the guy is not capable of scoring goals he is, and yes we have seen this version of the player at Chelsea but it was a rare thing, He might prove us wrong as any player can when they move but to me he always suited a team that maybe was trying to break into the top tier of the league then a player for a club in the top tier. Do i regret selling him? Nope, He was not what we need or likely to need, We got a decent price for him so was quite happy with the deal. Was it a snip for Liverpool? Yea it was the type of player they needed and considering what the market is like with regards to English players then yea it was a very good deal, It was a great deal for both sides and a fair one
codeblue
04-02-2013
Sturridge was not a good fit for CFC, he moaned, sulked and more than likely hit row z rather than pass for a tap in.

He was incredibly frustrating. Ba is a much better team player, and not a rotten apple like DS.
RichmondBlue
04-02-2013
Originally Posted by seellee:
“Really think that is a very strange comment. A player looks good because he is good as far as I'm concerned. So from what you are saying Suarez only looks good because the rest of our team is piss poor? Because if you are I have to disagree. So Michu only looks good because Swanseas players aren't top 6 quality? The fact that all three of those players have banged in goals against the top few teams this season says all you need to know. If they can do it against top defences then they are good enough.

As for your assumption our players aren't top 6 quality,I'd say Gerrard is, as is Glen Johnson and quite a few more. I'd much rather have our strikeforce than your strikeforce if I'm honest and I'm sure some Chelsea supporters would agree!

Are there any other Chelsea fans who are going to try and justify the selling of Sturridge? Can't wait to say what you are going to say when he scores another hatful of goals and you then try to justify him sitting on the bench whilst a certain Spaniard was toiling up front!

I wasn't totally with the Sturridge transfer I have to say, but he is winning me round. Not just on the goalscoring either, his workrate has been very good for the team, and I am impressed with his passing and hold up play. Maybe because I've always heard some Chelsea fans telling me he was so selfish and doesn't play for the team or pass!! If he carries on like this £12m will be a snip!”

I'm not going to attempt to justify the selling of Sturridge because I think it was the wrong decision..and I said so at the time.

It might have made sense if we were intending to bring Lukaku back, but that wasn't the case. Torres is still scoring, but he remains a shadow of the player he once was. Ba looks a decent backup striker, but he's a good player rather than a great one..in my opinion.

Sturridge should have had more games leading the attack, then we could have passed judgement. He did have a tendency to be greedy, but aren't all strikers the same, it's in their DNA.
It remains to be seen how he will turn out, but on the evidence of yesterday he's already improving. We always knew he had terrific pace, but he was also dropping back, working hard and making intelligent use of the ball. Very impressive I thought, considering it was against quality opposition.
RichmondBlue
04-02-2013
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“DSWNSM: Thankfully, there many people in the game who think there is more to football than grinding out 1 -0 wins, and our owner is one of them.

Utd and Fergie want to win as much as anyone, but they like to try and entertain along the way as well.
Wenger does the same.
Spurs, West Ham, the Liverpool under Dalglish first time around, and Keegan's wonderful Newcastle team, plus many others over the years.”

I think it's a total myth about us playing boring football under Mourinho. We played some of the best football I've ever seen us play in that period.
I think you're mixing up watching great football with watching an exciting game. If a team dominates, and the result is almost a foregone conclusion, that probably does make for a dull game..if you're a neutral. It doesn't mean it's poor football, almost the complete opposite in fact.
I want to see my team in total control, that doesn't mean putting ten men behind the ball because that means relinquishing possession, and by definition that means losing control of the game. We used to dominate games and play attractive attacking football, but we also knew when to close games down as well.
Admittedly, as a neutral, I might enjoy a 5-4 thriller. But that doesn't mean it's great football. More often than not its a comedy of errors, and I don't find that entertaining when it's my team involved.
NinjyBear
04-02-2013
Chelsea's goalkeeper Petr Cech will miss the Czech Republic's friendly against Turkey on Wednesday after breaking his little finger.

Czech picked up the injury during Chelsea's 3-2 defeat by Newcastle in the Premier League on Saturday and it is not clear when he will recover.


Prepare for Turnbull.
RichmondBlue
04-02-2013
Originally Posted by NinjyBear:
“Chelsea's goalkeeper Petr Cech will miss the Czech Republic's friendly against Turkey on Wednesday after breaking his little finger.

Czech picked up the injury during Chelsea's 3-2 defeat by Newcastle in the Premier League on Saturday and it is not clear when he will recover.


Prepare for Turnbull.”

Never mind, Courtois continues to impress. We might see him in a Chelsea jersey in 2015/2016 if Barcelona don't grab him before that.
The_don1
04-02-2013
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“I think it's a total myth about us playing boring football under Mourinho. We played some of the best football I've ever seen us play in that period.
I think you're mixing up watching great football with watching an exciting game. If a team dominates, and the result is almost a foregone conclusion, that probably does make for a dull game..if you're a neutral. It doesn't mean it's poor football, almost the complete opposite in fact.
I want to see my team in total control, that doesn't mean putting ten men behind the ball because that means relinquishing possession, and by definition that means losing control of the game. We used to dominate games and play attractive attacking football, but we also knew when to close games down as well.
Admittedly, as a neutral, I might enjoy a 5-4 thriller. But that doesn't mean it's great football. More often than not its a comedy of errors, and I don't find that entertaining when it's my team involved.”

We played some great football under Jose and it was far from defense play (Robbin and Duff swapping wings every few mins etc). The trouble is Sky and the Media can not sell teams not letting in goals to the arm chair fans. They dont like to see a defence actually do their job and defend, They must love the game nowadays as the level of defending is as poor as i ever seen. We have been brain washed into thinking a 6-5 game is better then a 2-0 game, Yes it very excting but the level on show has been poor
RichmondBlue
04-02-2013
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“We played some great football under Jose and it was far from defense play (Robbin and Duff swapping wings every few mins etc). The trouble is Sky and the Media can not sell teams not letting in goals to the arm chair fans. They dont like to see a defence actually do their job and defend, They must love the game nowadays as the level of defending is as poor as i ever seen. We have been brain washed into thinking a 6-5 game is better then a 2-0 game, Yes it very excting but the level on show has been poor”

I agree. Their dream appears to be "end to end stuff".. its almost become a byword for a great game of football.
It can be exciting to watch, I'll admit that. But that doesn't make it great football from a technical point of view.
Some of the best games I've seen have been goalless draws, with two really good teams probing for openings, cancelling each other out. The media would probably prefer football to be like basketball, with each team taking it in turns to score.
The_don1
04-02-2013
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“I agree. Their dream appears to be "end to end stuff".. its almost become a byword for a great game of football.
It can be exciting to watch, I'll admit that. But that doesn't make it great football from a technical point of view.
Some of the best games I've seen have been goalless draws, with two really good teams probing for openings, cancelling each other out. The media would probably prefer football to be like basketball, with each team taking it in turns to score.”

i would take Bobby Moores tackle on Pele over the Man City goal from the weekend as measure of skill anytime
5th time lucky
05-02-2013
For all Liverpools transfer cock ups thank goodness for Chelsea for letting us rob you in the transfer market, again, a genuine thank-you to your generous owner.

Suarez aside i haven't seen a Liverpool striker play like Sturridge did the other day since the Torres 07-09.

You can see hes hungry and eager to show what hes got, which is obviously a lot.
5th time lucky
05-02-2013
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“Sturridge was not a good fit for CFC, he moaned, sulked and more than likely hit row z rather than pass for a tap in.

He was incredibly frustrating. Ba is a much better team player, and not a rotten apple like DS.”

Now if you swapped the bolded bit with the word 'Torres' you would be bang on the money,
codeblue
05-02-2013
Sturridge was poor at chelsea. Its ok for people to look back with rose tinted spectacles but he was greedy, wasteful and not at all a team player.

Last week LFC wans were moaning that he was greedy and selfish. He scores 1 goal and now they think he is the new Falaco! Talk about knee jerk fans!
Heavenly
05-02-2013
Look, it's a natural reaction.

I read a lot of different teams' forums, I find them informative and funny and an eye opener.

Sturrdige was slammed on the main Liverpool forum for being selfish and mediocre, of course, now he is playing for them, he will be amazing.

That doesn't mean of course, that he won't be amazing for Liverpool, he is playing for a different team, different pressures, different formation etc etc....I wasn't sad to see the back of him and I haven't changed my opinion, it wasn't working for him at Chelsea, so he had to play for another the team.
The_don1
05-02-2013
Originally Posted by Heavenly:
“Look, it's a natural reaction.

I read a lot of different teams' forums, I find them informative and funny and an eye opener.

Sturrdige was slammed on the main Liverpool forum for being selfish and mediocre, of course, now he is playing for them, he will be amazing.

That doesn't mean of course, that he won't be amazing for Liverpool, he is playing for a different team, different pressures, different formation etc etc....I wasn't sad to see the back of him and I haven't changed my opinion, it wasn't working for him at Chelsea, so he had to play for another the team.”

Thats it, He was a ok player but just not a player for Chelsea at this time. He offered very little as a starter or a sub, I am sure he will do well at Liverpool, Its the same as AVB, I never thought of him as a poor manager but just not for us at the current time, He is much better suited to Spurs, He might grow into a manager for Chelsea in time (not saying he would want the job again)
carefree_blue
05-02-2013
I was happy to see the back of Sturridge. I don't think he's a bad player but he's just not really good enough for the level we want to be at. He was signed at a time when the club seemed to have lowered its standards in the quality of signings we were making. Ba's a definite improvement on him, but even then I see him more as a stop-gap with hopefully a really top drawer striker being lined up for the summer.
seellee
05-02-2013
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“Thats it, He was a ok player but just not a player for Chelsea at this time. He offered very little as a starter or a sub, I am sure he will do well at Liverpool, Its the same as AVB, I never thought of him as a poor manager but just not for us at the current time, He is much better suited to Spurs, He might grow into a manager for Chelsea in time (not saying he would want the job again)”

Hmmm there's a distinct theme running there as to why a good manager and a good player couldn't produce at Chelsea. Have you ever thought its Chelsea that's the problem?

As for the posts above, I really can't remember many Liverpool fans blasting him and saying he was greedy. I've seen people like me saving judgement. I'll be the first to admit I wasn't convinced but I was basing my opinion on his time at Chelsea. Perhaps unfairly because he didn't get a huge amount of playtime. His all round game has been the most impressive thing so far for me.

As for the pool fan saying he was like Torres circa 07/08 shush now. That's going a bit ott. Torres was magnificent around that time. I still salivate over the prospect of an on his game Torres and Suarez combination!
seellee
05-02-2013
Originally Posted by carefree_blue:
“I was happy to see the back of Sturridge. I don't think he's a bad player but he's just not really good enough for the level we want to be at. He was signed at a time when the club seemed to have lowered its standards in the quality of signings we were making. Ba's a definite improvement on him, but even then I see him more as a stop-gap with hopefully a really top drawer striker being lined up for the summer.”

I don't understand what you mean by that. "Not good enough for the level you want to be at" well that's the premier league at the moment and he's shown so far he's good enough for it.
codeblue
05-02-2013
We should not be messing with people like sturridge - he is suited to liverpool and bolton and the aspirations they have.

Chelsea should be signing players like Falcao and Cavani
carefree_blue
05-02-2013
Originally Posted by seellee:
“I don't understand what you mean by that. "Not good enough for the level you want to be at" well that's the premier league at the moment and he's shown so far he's good enough for it.”

Is Sturridge one of the cream of the crop? Nope. You say 'at the moment' but I'm not talking about the remaining few months left of this one, but next season and beyond. We want a top drawer striker that will do it on the biggest stage in the Champions League as well being good enough for a team with serious ambitions of winning the Premier League.

I'm not being dismissive of Liverpool in anyway but at the moment surely you agree that we have different objectives? As I see it yours is to put together a side to break into the Top 4 again, then look to improve that side with adding more quality to enable you to start competing again for the big trophies. Ours is already to compete for the main prizes.
seellee
05-02-2013
Originally Posted by carefree_blue:
“Is Sturridge one of the cream of the crop? Nope. You say 'at the moment' but I'm not talking about the remaining few months left of this one, but next season and beyond. We want a top drawer striker that will do it on the biggest stage in the Champions League as well being good enough for a team with serious ambitions of winning the Premier League.

I'm not being dismissive of Liverpool in anyway but at the moment surely you agree that we have different objectives? As I see it yours is to put together a side to break into the Top 4 again, then look to improve that side with adding more quality to enable you to start competing again for the big trophies. Ours is already to compete for the main prizes.”

There was me thinking your objective was to get back into the top 4 again too.......
codeblue
05-02-2013
Originally Posted by seellee:
“There was me thinking your objective was to get back into the top 4 again too.......”

I'll just go and polish my CL trophy, thanks. Looks good next to all the premierships doesn't it!
The_don1
05-02-2013
Originally Posted by seellee:
“Hmmm there's a distinct theme running there as to why a good manager and a good player couldn't produce at Chelsea. Have you ever thought its Chelsea that's the problem?

As for the posts above, I really can't remember many Liverpool fans blasting him and saying he was greedy. I've seen people like me saving judgement. I'll be the first to admit I wasn't convinced but I was basing my opinion on his time at Chelsea. Perhaps unfairly because he didn't get a huge amount of playtime. His all round game has been the most impressive thing so far for me.

As for the pool fan saying he was like Torres circa 07/08 shush now. That's going a bit ott. Torres was magnificent around that time. I still salivate over the prospect of an on his game Torres and Suarez combination!”

Not saying he did not produce, but what he produced was not good enough for a club that is at Chelsea's level, What he produces will be good enough for Liverpools lower level.
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