I don't believe this for a second.

Kimberley
Kelly Brook
Aleisha
Rachel Stevens

I love all of these contestants.

I can actually not warm to someone without it being a jealousy thing or us Brits not liking success.....

The public did not, this forum crucified her over some of her revealing photo shoots.

Emma Bunton with fame and fortune from Spice Girls was nearly burnt at the stake. Other female singers who danced less well received less animosity.
Male singers however, did not find fame and fortune a liability in the popularity stakes: neither Harry who won, nor Nicky who didn't. Jason danced ok, but talked himself out of a win.

Tom Chambers who came in with strong experience in American Smooth style of dance was not considered a ringer like Denise is now. He had a weakness which made him look reassuringly like one of us -- he was terrible in latin. Chris Hollins was least threatening of all, as he danced ballroom in constipated mode.

Alesha was the one exception against the trend: successful, pretty, good figure, top dancer, then glitterball winner. She had Matthew Cutler as partner. Nobody was going to deny Matthew's chance of deservedly winning the glitterball, Alesha or no Alesha.

Based on these trends under no circumstances should Kylie Minogue consider a stint as Strictly celeb.

Where are you getting your information from? I am a Brit. I do like talented attractive people, just not Denise. I have found her time in SCD unattractive, not her looks. I have liked many of the past attractive contestants.

The current favourites to win are Dani, Louis and Kimberly.

I agree. I don't understand why it's so difficult for some people to grasp that sometimes you just do not warm to someone. It has nothing to do with their looks or how good a dancer is etc. I love Kimberley, if Dani doesn't win, I would love her to win.

I am just not keen on Denise.

'Reet Petite' is also one of the most annoying songs ever. It can definitely be blamed.

What / who are the 'sources' who say she's been bottom of the public vote for a long time? Is it something that's been in the press, or is it just forum posts or similar?

What you find attractive in Denise does not mean that other people find the same. Attractiveness is not always to do with looks. Humility can be attractive.IMO

So you can't warm to her, but it's not for any reason you can identify? That's what "you just do not warm" seems to be saying.

And if you just do not warm, how can you possibly know it has nothing to do with her looks or dance ability? That you love Kimberley doesn't mean that Denise's looks or ability can't be part of what's preventing you from warming to Denise.

If the poster meant "attractive" to be about looks (and it certainly looks like that was what the poster meant), then your reply is missing the point and seems to be based on the idea that when someone uses a word, they don't have any particular meaning in mind but just want that sequence of letters to be interpreted in any possible way.

I think you're so determined to believe the public won't vote for a pretty woman, you're rewriting history. Alesha won on her own merits. She was massively popular. Why do you think they wanted her as a judge and BGT nicked her? Not because of Matthew.

Emma can't be compared to Alesha, she wasn't nearly as good and she was massively overmarked. Being judges' favourite (particularly getting an easy ride from Craig) is much more likely to get you heavily criticised on here than previous experience. Tom was criticised at first with lots of coverage of his youtube film of him tap-dancing. But he won people over (admittedly not me).

Why do you say the public didn't like Kelly? Was it just that she didn't seem to be getting as many votes as some others?

This forum disliked Kelly for all sorts of reasons, some going all the way back to when she presented the Big Breakfast. I don't think any particular "revealing photo shoots" played a significant role.


Alesha might have been a lot less popular if Kelly hadn't been getting the dislike instead.

Many of the exceptions against such trends are like that, almost as if there's only so much dislike to go around.

Quite. But I don't find Denise attractive - voice, personality, shape, looks, dancing. Dani or Flavia e.g. win on all counts IMHO.

Different people have different tastes. No big deal.

How can someone say if I find someone attractive or not? . Then say that I maybe jealous because they state they are attractive? I personally do not find Denise attractive, but if her personality appealed to me, then I might be more inclined to agree with the poster. It would then be her personality that I found more attractive.

Alesha wasn't massively popular except that one year. She was't massively popular as an SCD judge. (So why did BGT nick her?)


Alesha was overmarked and a judges' favourite too.

Who said either of those things?

I certainly didn't.


"Attractive" can be about looks, or it can be about attracting regardless of how or why. If a poster uses the first meaning, and you reply using the second, you're just talking past each other.

Alesha was popular. They wouldn't have given her the judge job if they didn't think so and they see the voting figures. I don't agree it was a vote for Matthew.

And on the other point, I should have said you don't want to come across as judges' favourite to a viewer who doesn't think you should be.

This forum's "dislike fatigue" is set at a very high level.
Roll up, roll up, plenty more dislikes available, come and get it.

True no big deal. I really don't care who anyone likes or dislikes, but to say it is based on looks is daft. I wouldn't care if they looked like the back of a bus. If I like them, I like them. I agree with you about Flavia though.

But "if i like them, I like them" leaves it unexplained. How can you be sure looks aren't a factor, subconsciously?

I didn't say Alesha wasn't popular when she competed in SCD.

I said that was the only time she was massively popular.

I also said she wasn't massively popular as an SCD judge (and wondered why, given that, BGT was so keen to have her).


True.

Just except that I might know myself better than you know me!

BTW, it's interesting that Alesha's being used as the proof that people don't dislike good-looking young women who compete in SCD, rather than Kara Tointon.

I actually like practically everyone this year, but I have never been a fan of James Jordan, so the fact I have never warmed to Denise over the years, hasn't helped her cause with me.

Who knows, if she had been paired up with Pasha or Artem, would I not mind her so much? Would she have acted differently being with a different partner? I don't know.

But all I can say is that it is the partnership I do not care for this year.

Denise is being dumbed down because she has James as a partner.

Take that any way you wish.

Young pretty women are almost the norm on Strictly including Kelly Brook and Emma Bunton. Being the norm it counts less as a differentiating factor than success and money which is the exception.

Alesha came into Strictly with considerable success in her field. Kara was an East Enders actress with acting career going nowhere fast. The question is: does an 80% female forum receive successful women the same way they respond to successful men.