Did I say ALL Brits??? Nope

I do question why you've found Denise's "time" in Strictly to be unattractive - that sounds odd to be honest!

Alesha's career didn't seem to be going well at the time. She'd been dropped by her record company. Indeed, to the extent that she's had musical success since, it seemed to be on the back of her SCD popularity.

(Had Mis-Teeq ever been all that big a deal? I could barely remember their existence by the time Alesha appeared in SCD.)

And good looking young women are not almost the norm. In Kara's year, she was the only (or almost the only) one who had the sort of looks that seem to be a problem. (Would Tina O'Brien (eliminated 4th) also qualify? The only other possibility is Michelle Williams, who was 30. I can't remember how she looked at the time.)

But in any case what counts most as a factor in dislike doesn't have to be what makes the contestant most unusual.

Have to disagree about Alesha (who is about the only attractive contestant who has irritated me, I guess because I don't find her to be talented)
She actually came into Strictly having finished with her group and the whole marriage thing of course - I think sympathy had a great deal to do with her winning, as she certainly wasn't the best dancer in my opinion

I didn't say anything about, or that depended on, or that involved in any way, how well I know you.

It was about whether you can know yourself well enough to know what actually caused you to like or dislike -- know everything that had a causal role. Or, really, whether anyone can know such things well enough about themself.

What usually happens in discussions like the one in this thread is that people point to good looking women they liked or who were popular, as if that proved good looks couldn't be a factor in dislike.

That would work if the idea were that good looks automatically resulted in dislike, regardless of anything else, as if looks were all that mattered.

Instead, it seems to be more like this: young, slender, good-looking women have a small "margin of error" (a point I first saw made by a forum-member, Villa); and then various things can affect whether they become disliked or not.

And of course viewers aren't all the same. Some may not be affected by looks at all. Some like the good looking women better. But when it's all put together, the slender, good-looking young women seem to accumulate dislike rather easily.

I have to agree, James and Denise are two of a kind and so they rub off each other and act the eejit
Pasha could well have softened the edges and Denise might have been less jack the lad .Who knows ?

Why should anyone explain it? It's not compulsory

There is no explaination needed ! I loved Alesha , Kara , Rachel , I love watching graceful dancing . I love clean lines and quick footwork and I have no intention of going into my deeper soul to justify it !

Yes, Alesha's opponents fell away like ninepins. Kelly withdrew after family bereavement, 6 foot 1 Penny could not cope with the frantic demands of jive, and Gabby Logan did not dance as well as she looked. Gethin had a slow start, Matt di Angelo was tarnished by his meltdowns. Alesha the durable put in more practice hours than anybody else and simply outstayed the field on stamina rather than brilliance.

Alesha was never my candidate (Kelly), but Alesha was never resented for being the frontrunner from beginning to end. It did get boring, but Gethin the last plausible opponent was turfed out by the four-10s waltz.

I think one of the problems is that James is not the great horeographer that he thinks he is.

Every routine he does is pinched from other pros....mostly Artem. You can recognise each of James' dance routines.

And I wonder too, if Denise had been with, maybe Pasha, she would not come over so cocky.

I honestly don't believe their looks lose attractive females support or votes. I've never bought into the 'jealous hater' argument.

But nor do their looks win them many votes either. By contrast, I do believe good looks secure their male counterparts a lot of extra votes.

oops sorry, typo....should be choreographer

This ^^

I do think with the female celebs, it's how they perform and with the males, as long as they don't fall down, it's to do with charisma.

I think Denise has been 'dumbed down' because of all the bullying against her on this site . I find it hard to understand how nasty people can be. I know the celebs and pro's are told not to look at any of the sites but am sure they do.

Please quote all the bullying post and let us know how you come to that conclusion . I see no bullying here , I see negativity and criticism and people who dont care for Denise . That is not bullying , bullying is a whole different ball game .

The word "bullying" is used too much on this forum.
Usually incorrectly.

Hi Soulmate

Agree with you, although I think Gabby suffered from the "too good too soon" syndrome and of course she was partnered by James, who really appreciated her work ethic - but some folk dislike James because he likes to try and win

Gabby out-James'ed James.

Kenny revealed that in practice sessions Gabby dragged James from his rest period for more practice, so that James lost a stone weight.
Gabby also repeatedly made clear she wanted to beat her husband Kenny. Ha ha ha the public were not amused, and they dumped her out early. Secretly James would have been relieved.

I think you had better look into your own reasoning before you try to work out mine!

Nancy, what are you talking about?

The exact opposite of chelseaness!!

Strange how the British hate winners unless they go all girly and do a Kara. God knows how Jill won - presumably by toning herself right down.

Yeah - winner's instinct, winners work ethic but for god's sake disguise it as humility, better known as pretend little woman syndrome. God, the Brits just loathe successful women.

... yeah that's why everybody hates me.

Wow, what is your problem? I agree that you should calm down. It's only a dance competition FGS.

Gosh you sound so bitter . I am not British so I see it an as observer and I think you are very wrong . Women the world over dont hate ambitious women at all .But they are far more astute at knowing a woman would would kill her granny to get to the top .Big Big difference if you took time to see it .