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Wow, a contestant gets fired just to make good tv
As if navdeep got fired because of a gut feeling, come on give me a break. She was miles better than andrew, and on par if not better than steven.
Navdeeps firing down to 'gut feeling' made no sense at all. David also lost five tasks didnt he and he got fired cause of that as well as having no clue, so by that basis Andrew also had to get fired for losing 5 tasks and having no clue whatsoever. A tissue paper from the shoe is a way to promote your product? Thats amateur stuff, even i knew that was wrong. Navdeep got fired for television purposes. To make it more of a shock as ratings are an all time low and there is rumours that it will get scrapped so they thought to make it more of a suspense and shock as Andrew getting fired would be too obvious and boring. Im also starting to think that Sugar only likes white contestants! But ill only base navdeeps strange firing as down to making 'great tv'. All its done is put me off the show though. I mean how is patrick still there? Ive done more business in my sleep last night than hes done on the whole show! Thats another topic though |
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Agreed. The more desperate this show gets the quicker it will die. Shame.
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Navdeep should have gone earlier. She was dull and hid behind others and showed no spark. Her boardroom arguments were pathetic and did nothing for her. If Alan sugar favoured "white" contestants he would never have hired Tim, the very first apprentice winner. What a ridiculous thing to say.
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Its unfortunate that since Tim and Saira very few non-white contestants have got far though, usually we lose 'token black' and 'token asian' contestant within the first few weeks, the only one I can think of that bucked this trend in recent years was Susan in Tom Pellereau's year who Sugar hired after the show.
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Its unfortunate that since Tim and Saira very few non-white contestants have got far though, usually we lose 'token black' and 'token asian' contestant within the first few weeks, the only one I can think of that bucked this trend in recent years was Susan in Tom Pellereau's year who Sugar hired after the show.
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Well, I think its still fair to say that it's unfortunate of the two ethnic minority contestants we had on this series that they went out in consecutive weeks.
Tim and Saira was the highest respectively that I could remember two ethnic minority contestants reaching in the same series. I think for about three series in a row there would be a fairly competent Asian woman who went out within the first three or four shows. However my knowledge of the show is admittedly not as comprehensive as some so my memory is prone to mistakes :P |
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Well, I think its still fair to say that it's unfortunate of the two ethnic minority contestants we had on this series that they went out in consecutive weeks.
Tim and Saira was the highest respectively that I could remember two ethnic minority contestants reaching in the same series. I think for about three series in a row there would be a fairly competent Asian woman who went out within the first three or four shows. However my knowledge of the show is admittedly not as comprehensive as some so my memory is prone to mistakes :P (Not that I'm saying that all the ethnic minorities that have been on the show have just been chosen to show equality, I'm sure that even the majority of them haven't. I just think that a few of them - like Mahamed and Gbemi from last year - may well have been.) |
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Sorry but I can't believe Lord Sugar cares one way or the other about a contestants skin colour or ethnicity, as for token coloured contestants I can't see this being true either it's probably a case of a padded cv an excellent interview but absolutely no idea once they get the job, seen it loads in my time
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Navdeep should have gone earlier. She was dull and hid behind others and showed no spark. Her boardroom arguments were pathetic and did nothing for her. If Alan sugar favoured "white" contestants he would never have hired Tim, the very first apprentice winner. What a ridiculous thing to say.
So your point isn't very valid.
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He also fired Adineke first, and she was a black woman
So your point isn't very valid. |
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Dear old Dodgytal Spy. Where would we be without someone trotting out the racism card for no demonstrably good reason?
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I don't think it's because of ethnicity, but if it is, it's more likely to do with the possibility that the token black or Asian person might have been put in for their equality value rather than for their talent. I don't like having a 'token' ethnic minority person on a show, I'd prefer it if everyone was chosen using the same criteria. Obviously I'm not really one to talk as I'm not an ethnic minority, but if I was, I'd rather be chosen because I was good, rather than because I ticked a box.
(Not that I'm saying that all the ethnic minorities that have been on the show have just been chosen to show equality, I'm sure that even the majority of them haven't. I just think that a few of them - like Mahamed and Gbemi from last year - may well have been.) Maybe they choose a representative mix of different types of people who meet the selection criteria. These days must people tediously remark on the presence of candidates who are black, asian, mixed race etc etc etc. More on topic - I've seen people on other threads complain that black candidates weren't fired to preserve 'quotas' whereas when someone does get fired that's also because of bias? Essentially, I think their race is not relevant to the issue at hand. Lord Sugar fired Navdeep, I think, because he saw her as academic rather than business minded. That was the reason he fired Max in week 1. Might not have been fair but she wasn't going to win. |
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Some white candidates are a bit useless, but they're just seen as candidates (and maybe some people will say say they were picked for good telly). If a candidate of another race doesn't impress, they are a 'token'. This is flawed logic and I have always found the 'token' comments distasteful.
Maybe they choose a representative mix of different types of people who meet the selection criteria. These days must people tediously remark on the presence of candidates who are black, asian, mixed race etc etc etc. |
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You're absolutely right, I hate it as well, but sometimes - particularly when there is generally one black and one Asian person in the group - it does make one wonder if the producers only chose them to have a mixed group? Let's face it, if the group was all white, they'd be criticised for not encouraging equal opportunities. I'm all for equal opportunities, but I think people should be treated equally, and that doesn't mean choosing a few ethnic minority people to show diversity. I think a lot of TV companies do that - I'm not just talking about The Apprentice, I mean on most of these things. I'd be fine if they were all white. I'd be fine if they were all black, or all Asian, or an equal mix, or whatever. They're just people at the end of the day.
I know you didn't bring it up, but I just feel that when it comes to discussing the show and how people are performing on it, race isn't relevant. Off my soap box now! |
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I don't buy that. Syed lasted for ages despite being useless. Tre and Lohit lasted a long time. Yasmina, an Iranian, won the series. Arjun, an Asian, won the first series of Junior Apprentice. Joanna got to the interviews. Susan you brought up. And in this series, David deserved to get fired much earlier than he was.
In the last two series alone... Susan did very well, Glenn got over the half-way point, Edna made it about mid-way, Melody and Gabrielle made it far in the competition... all ethnic minorities. I havent watched all the other series before then but there have been quite a few 'unfair' firings and they certainly havent been more one race than another. The only time I felt a little bothered was duane, in the last series, who was quite popular on here, I thought he was pretty good but then so were the two that he was up against - that week none of them deserved to go imo but I felt LS favoured the female candidate over him(sorry forgotten her name)., |
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I only used the term 'token' (did I in fact use it?) because every series there seems to be exactly one black and one Asian person, along with often one person who dresses in a notably different style to everyone else. Realistically if they were choosing people based on randomness you'd expect there to have been more than one per series, why not two Asian girls in one series to stop people referring to, for example, Navdeep as 'the Asian one'.
Because this doesnt happen its almsot like being black, Asian etc is enough (for the producers) to adequately describe this person (because most people don't actually learn names until the final 6 or so). In this series of YA I can think of, of the fired ones, Alice, David, Navdeep, the guy with the silly hair and the girl with the big chin. And I'm sure thats not even all of them. Also I obviously don't believe Sugar is racist but its interesting to raise these points for dicussion. |
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Well, I think its still fair to say that it's unfortunate of the two ethnic minority contestants we had on this series that they went out in consecutive weeks.
Tim and Saira was the highest respectively that I could remember two ethnic minority contestants reaching in the same series. I think for about three series in a row there would be a fairly competent Asian woman who went out within the first three or four shows. However my knowledge of the show is admittedly not as comprehensive as some so my memory is prone to mistakes :P A lot of reasonably competent contestants of all races have been fired in the past because the loud, cocky, stupid ones make better TV. At the end of the day this is an entertainment programme, the BBC dont want 5 or 6 dullards left at the end even if they probably are better business people. |
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Exactly.
In the last two series alone... Susan did very well, Glenn got over the half-way point, Edna made it about mid-way, Melody and Gabrielle made it far in the competition... all ethnic minorities. I havent watched all the other series before then but there have been quite a few 'unfair' firings and they certainly havent been more one race than another. The only time I felt a little bothered was duane, in the last series, who was quite popular on here, I thought he was pretty good but then so were the two that he was up against - that week none of them deserved to go imo but I felt LS favoured the female candidate over him(sorry forgotten her name)., |
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Well I think Sralan is racist because he chose the Scottish candidate over the English one in the first series of YA...
Racism works all ways. It's not just 'choosing a white Caucasian skin in preference to a coloured one', although that's what a lot of very naive people on DS seem to think. As someone who is English and lives in Scotland, I've experienced racism at first hand. Just because I was born in England, apparently it automatically also makes me illegitimate. Except they call it 'bigotry' here. |
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Wasnt the first winner of Junior Apprentice Asian?
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I only used the term 'token' (did I in fact use it?) because every series there seems to be exactly one black and one Asian person, along with often one person who dresses in a notably different style to everyone else. Realistically if they were choosing people based on randomness you'd expect there to have been more than one per series, why not two Asian girls in one series to stop people referring to, for example, Navdeep as 'the Asian one'.
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Because this doesnt happen its almsot like being black, Asian etc is enough (for the producers) to adequately describe this person (because most people don't actually learn names until the final 6 or so). In this series of YA I can think of, of the fired ones, Alice, David, Navdeep, the guy with the silly hair and the girl with the big chin. And I'm sure thats not even all of them. How does the fact that viewers can't remember names and go by distinguishing physical characteristics, have anything to do with the producers? The producers have carefully selected the contestants, they haven't decided, 'we'll take her because she looks foreign'... Also I obviously don't believe Sugar is racist but its interesting to raise these points for dicussion. If you take a look at our society, it's really not remarkable that every year there are a couple non-white contestants. |
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No, she was Scottish. The second one was the Asian lad.
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I don't know, but I was replying to someone who did. 'one black and one asian person' is misleading and reductive since people seem use a term such as 'asian' to apply to contestants with heritage from countries as different as Iran/India or China.
How does the fact that viewers can't remember names and go by distinguishing physical characteristics, have anything to do with the producers? The producers have carefully selected the contestants, they haven't decided, 'we'll take her because she looks foreign'... If you take a look at our society, it's really not remarkable that every year there are a couple non-white contestants. |
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I don't think it's because of ethnicity, but if it is, it's more likely to do with the possibility that the token black or Asian person might have been put in for their equality value rather than for their talent.
Sir Sugalicious doesn't like lawyers does he? Every series they seem to stick one in and they get fired early on. I'm surprised that al the rejected law students haven't got together to blast him.
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Sir Sugalicious doesn't like lawyers does he? Every series they seem to stick one in and they get fired early on. I'm surprised that al the rejected law students haven't got together to blast him.
![]() Isn't Lucy an aspiring lawyer? I wonder if that will count against her... |
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He really doesn't! I don't remember that many lawyers on the programme though... the only ones I can think of are Karen Bremner, Anita Shah and now Navdeep.
Isn't Lucy an aspiring lawyer? I wonder if that will count against her... |
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So your point isn't very valid.