Where are the debates on the show?, debates on the past acts?,..all we have now are Team threads and apreciation threads, and you cant debate on them, and when there is a thread for debate no-one wants to post, it has got a bit boring on here, it has become a fansite,.. i thought all the acts had their own sites and forums now

Tbh baileybots......there isn't really much more to be said now.


Its a pity because I enjoyed this forum but its probably now lived its life.

i came on here tonight and the first five threads were all team or apreaciation threads, and thats all some people stay on, its very insular

I see where you are going with this Bailey. But I post a lot in 'Team Steve', because I do enjoy posting in there most of the time, and we do tend to have a laugh. Plus Steve being the winner, he has made a lot of appearances at places over the last week or so and is the topic of debate at the moment along with that Sharon thing so 'the 'Team Steve' thread is bound to be a busy one

I like debating in other threads as well, but do get fed up with some of the trolling on these threads, it kills a decent thread dead in minutes very off putting. Also there are a lot of threads where it is not just debating, but can get downright nasty at times. I witnessed Moneybags, ( who speaks her mind, but if you know her and read her posts, realise this forum is just a release for her as well as other's ) get a lot of negative response to some of her posts, akin to bullying at times and that annoyed me a bit now she doesn't post because of it. It was like watching a pack move in for the kill

If a Steve fan sticks up for their boy, they are called Steveblind well oh yeah, I really think I am going to not defend or stick up for someone I supported all through X Factor and am pretty sure in that time I grew to know what he was like At other times if you admit to not being keen on the other acts, a certain bunch will suddenly swoop down on you

I love going to the other threads for a good old debate on any of the acts, but sadly because of a few, it has been impossible to do that on here for a couple of weeks now. So is it any wonder some stick to the comfort of some of the team threads ?

I was (and still am) a Rowetta fan who was made very cross by Sharon's outburst at Steve and then by all the people who came out of the woodwork and said all the no smoke without fire comments, I always thought he was shifty, nobody ever liked him on the programme etc, etc so although not a Steve fan as such, I have posted in his defence when I think there have been some unsubstantiated criticisms of him. And I agree, it is like a pack advancing - always with the assumption that I am blindly following Steve and therefore hate G4, Tabby etc.
It is possible to be on these boards not as a follower of either finalist but it can be difficult.

I'm a bit surprised at your post Susan because I feel the same way but in exactly the opposite direction. I have been really wound up by moneybags on more than one occasion and until yesterday thought she was a young boy intent on winding me and other G4ers up. I then got it in the neck when I was surprised that it was a grown woman.

I wish someone would actually name the 'pack of wolves' you all keep referring to. I have the feeling it must have something to do with G4 but I think if you look at the whole picture members of Team G4 do no different than members of Team Steve when their favourite is riduculed as has happened many a time on here and yet why is it ok for one team but not another.

I am fed up to the back teeth with the continual whining of some of the forum members about how good it used to be and how bad it is now. Surely it is bound to happen now the show is over. I have enjoyed posting here and will continue to post on the G4 threads, I can't see the problem with people having fun if they want to.

I can quite see why people tend to stick to the threads though, the nastiness I've seen on here has been second only to the Most Haunted forum (now that was scary)

I don't see why we have to keep justifying ourselves here in these continual threads about how bad the forum has become. It is an open forum and if people want to keep to certain threads to avoid nastiness so be it.

I really would like some clarification as to who the pack of wolves are though, because it seems that the pack of wolves I see are not the same ones you see. Again, its down to personal opinions isn't it?

I don't know why you are so surprised Gwen, because even if we get on with most on here, we shouldn't be made to feel we can't speak out if and when needed for fear of upsetting friends we have made on the boards. If friends on here were true internet friends, then like true real life friends they should realise when they are doing something wrong and be able to speak out about it. We are not supposed to discuss other forum member's in this way, so all I will say on this is, I for one enjoyed Moneybags posts and she never overstepped the mark imho, just because she missed a word here and there causing her posts to be taken other than they were meant to be, she got hounded, even by some of her own team member's. I suppose you have to know a poster to know their sense of humour really. Moneybags doesn't like the other acts, as is her perogative and she said so, this I believe is the real reason some took exception to her imho.

I only ever really liked two X Factor acts, and that is Steve first and foremost and secondly Rowetta, so although I wish all of them well in their singing careers, these two are the only ones I am really interested in following. Moneybags is only interested in Steve and shouldn't be hounded because of it.

Susann, take a step back and really look at what happened in the thread 'Sharon is sooooo right'.

Zelana. I don't have to take a step back. MB is a true Steve supporter who came on this forum to do just that and hadn't gone to the trouble of starting duplicate threads, as in the case of of that thread, where it was a new member who chose not read any previous threads on the subject. But by the looks of it, just dived straight in with their very first post on a subject that was already being discussed in another one of numerous threads, which is why I believe they were trolling to get forum member's backs up on purpose.

To start a thread on your very first post is not usually done on the forums, especially a rather negative one, most usually just ease themselves in. I am sure it says in the rules to read posts and not to do duplicate threads. It tends to knock decent threads of the page far too quickly.

I'm a bit confused about your reply mentioning moneybags, she wasn't involved in that particular thread.

'Most' posters do lurk for a while before they actually post but that doesn't mean everyone does. Some just jump in without thinking first. Should that automatically make them a troll?

I thought you were saying there was a comparison with pack mentality, I must have read that wrong in this instance.

I realise some lurk, but if so they would have seen or been reading the previous threads to know to join in the subject on those threads rather than duplicate them. I think this was what I was saying, on that other thread. I personally see it as trolling, even if other forum member's might not. The duplicity of threads is something I find so annoying I can't see the need
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jeez i wish people would get round this bullying thing, if you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen,...i have been attacked on this forum (i wont say bullied) and been acussed of being a bully, if i was a bully would i still be here?,... if you dont like the posts press the alert or report it to the mods, ..i think it is a case of if i cant get my own way i will say you are a bully, then all the (freinds) jump in and then who ends up being bullied, .....as for discussing things on this forum its almost impossible, ...i like steve bought his record, and would you belive it! i do like G4,.. but you cannot say one negative about either of them without it turning into a slanging match,... and if there is a a report without backing,..i.e. the first sony contract there is an all out war if you dare question it.

Well said, Baileybots!

Sorry for only quoting a part of your post,baileybots.
This is the part I'm totally in agreement with.I'd also like to say that I don't appreciate rude pms either when someone doesn't like my posts.

It's got to the point where you can't say anything without an overly thin-skinned fan leaping in and taking mortal offence. Some people have had a definite sense of humour transplant.

I agree that it appears as though it's a fansite. I suppose it appeared less so when there were more acts left in and consequently more threads to go into and debate. I think that's because most of the threads that are active relate to the final 2 acts since there is still news about them. As such, most FMs are still talking about them including their respective fans. It's either that, or they remain in the appreciation thread.

I actually don't know what people expect to happen at this stage of the proceedings. If someone says something about an act which a forum member disagrees with, should they stay stum for fear of being seen as diving in or, is it the case that, if they are a fan, then they should remain quiet allowing only the infrequent visitors, and impartial fms to air their views. Perhaps this is why some people stay in the appreciation threads.

I haven't posted much on X Factor for various reasons, but once I had the time I had a look at what was going on and settled for being as bland as possble because I didn't want the hassle of being flamed. Oh and I stayed in an appreciation-type thread. It's a shame, other boards over the last months/year have been a hoot. Yes, I think people are keeping their heads down. It's become a kind of unofficial censorship - "if you disagree with me I'll make your life hell and you won't want to post any more."

Puts had up to ask a genuine question

Whats a Troll/Trolling?

Is it when an FM comes onto the forum just to argue with other FM's?

Definition of a troll:

An Internet "troll" is a person who delights in sowing discord on the Internet. He or she tries to start arguments and upset people.

Trolls see Internet communications services as convenient venues for their bizarre game. For some reason, they don't "get" that they are hurting real people. To them, other Internet users are not quite human but are a kind of digital abstraction. As a result, they feel no sorrow whatsoever for the pain they inflict. Indeed, the greater the suffering they cause, the greater their 'achievement' (as they see it). At the moment, the relative anonymity of the net allows trolls to flourish.

Trolls are utterly impervious to criticism (constructive or otherwise). You cannot negotiate with them; you cannot cause them to feel shame or compassion; you cannot reason with them. They cannot be made to feel remorse. For some reason, trolls do not feel they are bound by the rules of courtesy or social responsibility.

Definition #2:

You are:

Really sad
Have no life
No conscience
Enjoy stirring things up and upsetting people
Have no friends who you can talk your problems over with
And no money for a good therapist !!

I don't post much on this forum anymore. One of the reasons is sometimes I feel I can't actually post what I think because someone will take offence.

If someone starts a thread saying contestant X is rubbish, (And this can be followed with 'watch the fans of contestant X swoop on me now') and I disagree, do I post and say I disagree and say why, in which case I can't cope with anything bad said about my favourite (And I am proving the thread starter right, by 'swooping')or if other FMs agree with me, I am a bully. Or do I ignore it. If all fans of contestant X ignored this thread it would get boring everyone agreeing, where is the discussion? the debating? Is anyone surprised when contestent X is called arrogant/gay/can't sing/boring/the next MM and FMs get upset and try to stick up for their favourite?

Or FMs are told they are stupid or have no taste because they don't like contestant Y when 'everyone' can see how talented they are.

I think these are a few of many of the reasons why alot of FMs are sticking to the Team threads and why I don't post here much anymore. I can have a more reasonable conversation with my ten year old about X Factor. Shame really

Angie xxx

I'm a huge G4 fan, but can recognise faults and criticise constructively. And for the record i was the FIRSt to question the sony record deal, i didn't believe a word of it, everyone's allowed to express their opinions, but don't ask me to always agree with it, if i disagree i WILL express my opinion and tell you so!