No live sport for Now TV?

Live sport for YouView Users? Even via third party ISP's? Really?

It would appear I've missed some important news.

Hi Visionman, I don't think you have missed any important news and I certainly haven't stated it in my post. Would have been nice though.

VisionMan1 · 28-12-2012, 02:03

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Hi Visionman, I don't think you have missed any important news and I certainly haven't stated it in my post. Would have been nice though.

Indeed. The relationship between Sky and YouView seems to be unclear. As do their services.

promo-only · 28-12-2012, 10:50

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Indeed. The relationship between Sky and YouView seems to be unclear. As do their services.

The relationship with YouView is the same as with other providers. There's nothing special just because it's YouView. If they really had a problem with it, they wouldn't have allowed TalkTalk to carry their channels and they certainly wouldn't have their own movie service available on the platform. I don't see any issue really. If anything, it's BT they'll be having issues with, not YouView.

1andrew1 · 28-12-2012, 11:50

The issues are:[LIST][*]Why are live TV services from NowTV not allowed on YouView? Is this YouView's or Sky's decision? Will it change?[*]Will pay-per-view movies be restored to the Now TV service on YouView?[*]Will Now TV offer content in HD on YouView?[/LIST]I believe that there will be positive outcomes to all the above points in 2013 as Sky has made a conscious decision to support the YouView platform. It will be interesting to see what happens.

promo-only · 28-12-2012, 12:42

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The issues are:[LIST][*]Why are live TV services from NowTV not allowed on YouView? Is this YouView's or Sky's decision? Will it change?[*]Will pay-per-view movies be restored to the Now TV service on YouView?[*]Will Now TV offer content in HD on YouView?[/LIST]I believe that there will be positive outcomes to all the above points in 2013 as Sky has made a conscious decision to support the YouView platform. It will be interesting to see what happens.

I can't see any reason for them to hold live channels back from YouView when the same movies are available to watch on-demand. These live channels they're not offering on YouView Now TV are available in full with TalkTalk. Either they've agreed with TalkTalk to let them offer 'linear' on an exclusive basis, they're not wanting BT customers to have access or it's a YouView problem that's awaiting a fix. Personally, I say it's the last part and it'll be sorted out next year.

As for HD, is it still just the Xbox that gets higher quality streams? Virgin offer the movie channels in HD so I've got no doubt that these will be available on YouView as well once the platform has settled down and ironed out its niggles.

One thing I'm not up to speed on is the PPV movies? What's the deal there? Have they been blocked?

1andrew1 · 28-12-2012, 14:08

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One thing I'm not up to speed on is the PPV movies? What's the deal there? Have they been blocked?

NowTV suspended the PPV movies across all platforms in October 2012 promising a return in 2013 after the service was upgraded. I assume if this is restored it will apply to all platforms.http://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2012/...s-ppv-service/

HD is not ruled out for Now TV on YouView (the Techradar headline is a little misleading)

promo-only · 28-12-2012, 16:43

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NowTV suspended the PPV movies across all platforms in October 2012 promising a return in 2013 after the service was upgraded. I assume if this is restored it will apply to all platforms.http://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2012/...s-ppv-service/

HD is not ruled out for Now TV on YouView (the Techradar headline is a little misleading)

So that's not a YouView issue then, it's a Now TV issue as a whole and will be rectified in 2013. As for HD, there's no doubt in my mind about that being added in 2013 also. They offer movies in HD to other platforms so it leaves no doubt that they'll see users of their own app will be catered for as well.

VisionMan1 · 28-12-2012, 19:04

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The issues are:[LIST]
*Why are live TV services from NowTV not allowed on YouView? Is this YouView's or Sky's decision? Will it change?
*Will pay-per-view movies be restored to the Now TV service on YouView?
*Will Now TV offer content in HD on YouView?[/LIST]I believe that there will be positive outcomes to all the above points in 2013 as Sky has made a conscious decision to support the YouView platform. It will be interesting to see what happens.

Whilst what I am about to say is not set in stone, its my understanding that

* All Sky have said is it's down to 'restrictions', but they did not state what those restrictions were. I suppose somebody could ask a Sky Moderator directly, as thats what I do with BT.

* Pay-per-view movies were removed due to technical issues. The service was flaky and unreliable, as confirmed by Now TV PPV users on different forums. But it will be back.

* No. They'll be on HD content on YouView for the forseeable. Why? I don't know. But what was interesting was in the very first press release about the launch of Now TV Sky actually went out of their way to make it clear that HD on YouView would not be available. Much to the detriment of the user, IMO. And from a business point of view, I would have thought that YouView would want as many HD content providers as it could possibly get onto the platform to help drive uptake of the service.

promo-only · 28-12-2012, 19:33

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Whilst what I am about to say is not set in stone, its my understanding that

* All Sky have said is it's down to 'restrictions', but they did not state what those restrictions were. I suppose somebody could ask a Sky Moderator directly, as thats what I do with BT.

* Pay-per-view movies were removed due to technical issues. The service was flaky and unreliable, as confirmed by Now TV PPV users on different forums. But it will be back.

* No. They'll be on HD content on YouView for the forseeable. Why? I don't know. But what was interesting was in the very first press release about the launch of Now TV Sky actually went out of their way to make it clear that HD on YouView would not be available. Much to the detriment of the user, IMO. And from a business point of view, I would have thought that YouView would want as many HD content providers as it could possibly get onto the platform to help drive uptake of the service.

What press release direct from Sky stated explicitly no HD on YouView? There's been a fair bit of official PR relating to Now TV but I can't actually remember HD ever being mentioned in any of them - it was more a case of bigging up the service as a whole.

There was a question on the Now TV forum a while back that asked about HD and the reply given there said

"I'm afraid we're not currently HD ready on YouView, we're only optimised for HD on Xbox 360 at the moment."

Even that doesn't explicitly say 'YouView will not be getting HD streams'... Instead, the key bits for me are 'not currently' and 'at the moment' - insinuating that changes will indeed be made further down the line. There's no reason for them not to.

The link for that discussion is here

VisionMan1 · 28-12-2012, 20:46

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What press release direct from Sky stated explicitly no HD on YouView? There's been a fair bit of official PR relating to Now TV but I can't actually remember HD ever being mentioned in any of them - it was more a case of bigging up the service as a whole.

There was a question on the Now TV forum a while back that asked about HD and the reply given there said

"I'm afraid we're not currently HD ready on YouView, we're only optimised for HD on Xbox 360 at the moment."

Even that doesn't explicitly say 'YouView will not be getting HD streams'... Instead, the key bits for me are 'not currently' and 'at the moment' - insinuating that changes will indeed be made further down the line. There's no reason for them not to.

The link for that discussion is here

I said 'for the forseeable', promo-only, not 'never'. And I also said it should be in HD, for the betterment overall for the platform, and the service and the user.

"According to Sky, only the games consoles will offer HD content, with the focus more on consistency of service than high definition quality on other devices."

http://www.techradar.com/news/televi...now-tv-1089048

promo-only · 28-12-2012, 20:59

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I said 'for the forseeable', promo-only, not 'never'. And I also said it should be in HD, for the betterment overall for the platform, and the service and the user.

"According to Sky, only the games consoles will offer HD content, with the focus more on consistency of service than high definition quality on other devices."

http://www.techradar.com/news/televi...now-tv-1089048

Further down the same article "Sky told TechRadar that it was not ruling out adding additional HD services in the future".

With both quotes, it screams to me that they're perfecting the service (with pay & play returning first) first and then they'll add HD. Wouldn't surprise me if it was all sorted for when the likes of Sky1, Sky Living etc are added alongside the movies and sport content.

VisionMan1 · 28-12-2012, 21:09

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Further down the same article "Sky told TechRadar that it was not ruling out adding additional HD services in the future".

With both quotes, it screams to me that they're perfecting the service (with pay & play returning first) first and then they'll add HD. Wouldn't surprise me if it was all sorted for when the likes of Sky1, Sky Living etc are added alongside the movies and sport content.

Whats even more interesting about your comments above is that both BT Vision and Sky declared all these new live and VOD TV services would be here by now. But there not.

promo-only · 28-12-2012, 21:16

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Whats even more interesting about your comments above is that both BT Vision and Sky declared all these new live and VOD TV services would be here by now. But there not.

Do you think? They said the service would launch with movies... which it did. They said sport would be added after that... it's trialling as we speak. And they said entertainment would be added after the sport... which I presume will be the case.

I think theres some differences in that to BT promising a range of live linear TV services, yet fail to communicate with their customers in any official capacity by way of press release when these services fail to materialise. Not only that, but they release a price guide that features pricing structures before they've made any official announcements which is quite something in itself, leaving their customers to work it all out for themselves and become even more puzzled as to can they/can't they receive these channels.

VisionMan1 · 28-12-2012, 21:39

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Do you think? They said the service would launch with movies... which it did. They said sport would be added after that... it's trialling as we speak. And they said entertainment would be added after the sport... which I presume will be the case.

I think theres some differences in that to BT promising a range of live linear TV services, yet fail to communicate with their customers in any official capacity by way of press release when these services fail to materialise. Not only that, but they release a price guide that features pricing structures before they've made any official announcements which is quite something in itself, leaving their customers to work it all out for themselves and become even more puzzled as to can they/can't they receive these channels.

And I totally agree with that. That was a right cock-up wasn't it, left-hand, right-hand style. The prices were published because BT said the new services would be here 'By the end of the year' and Sky also said 'By the end of the year', too.

promo-only · 28-12-2012, 21:43

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And I totally agree with that. That was a right cock-up wasn't it, left-hand, right-hand style. The prices were published because BT said the new services would be here 'By the end of the year' and Sky also said 'By the end of the year', too.

Agreed, they did initially state by years end. Do you not think their very vocal approach to the trials is a slight bit different to BT's non-existant communication? At least we know that Sky will be a matter of weeks behind schedule because they're being proactive and making it known it's on the horizon... As far as I know, BT might keep under cover for another few months and we'd still be none the wiser!

VisionMan1 · 28-12-2012, 22:07

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Agreed, they did initially state by years end. Do you not think their very vocal approach to the trials is a slight bit different to BT's non-existant communication? At least we know that Sky will be a matter of weeks behind schedule because they're being proactive and making it known it's on the horizon... As far as I know, BT might keep under cover for another few months and we'd still be none the wiser!

Hm, I have to be careful what I say here, but what I can say is -

The BT telephone number exchange checker does not as yet have the fully up to date information as to which telephone exchanges are Multicast enabled.

And the new live linear SD channels are live now. Only there still in testing. And will be for a few weeks yet. But they will get here, in the end. As will Sky's.

promo-only · 28-12-2012, 22:11

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Hm, I have to be careful what I say here, but what I can say is -

The BT telephone number exchange checker does not as yet have the fully up to date information as to which telephone exchanges are Multicast enabled.

And the new live linear SD channels are live now. Only there still in testing. And will be for a few weeks yet. But they will get here, in the end. As will Sky's.

That's great for BT I'm sure but for the people who want things now, they're no doubt looking at TalkTalk, Virgin and Sky as serious contenders because they've given up all hope of BT coming good. All good and well BT trialling this and that but when nobody knows about it it makes their incompetence seem that bit more to the general eye. And not updating your website to portray correct up to date information on multicast enabled exchanges after the price list was published, leading people to wonder if they can or can't receive additional channels, is quite frankly appalling.

VisionMan1 · 28-12-2012, 22:15

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That's great for BT I'm sure but for the people who want things now, they're no doubt looking at TalkTalk, Virgin and Sky as serious contenders because they've given up all hope of BT coming good. All good and well BT trialling this and that but when nobody knows about it it makes their incompetence seem that bit more to the general eye. And not updating your website to portray correct up to date information on multicast enabled exchanges after the price list was published, leading people to wonder if they can or can't receive additional channels, is quite frankly appalling.

Oh, sorry promo-only, I don't have a website.

1andrew1 · 28-12-2012, 22:30

Think I've missed the price list, is it still online?

promo-only · 28-12-2012, 22:40

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Think I've missed the price list, is it still online?

Yeah it's here from page 32 Andrew.

promo-only · 28-12-2012, 22:41

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Oh, sorry promo-only, I don't have a website.

What?

1andrew1 · 28-12-2012, 23:18

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Yeah it's here from page 32 Andrew.

Thanks, it's a bit confusing but I've spotted the "extra channels" reference.

VisionMan1 · 28-12-2012, 23:26

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Thanks, it's a bit confusing but I've spotted the "extra channels" reference.

Yes, it's called "Unlimited Extra". And for existing users, all the new channels will only cost an extra £2.50. Which is excellent value. But, whats off-putting is, it also states a new 12 month contract will be required, so I don't think I'll bother. And I suspect I won't be the only one.

promo-only · 28-12-2012, 23:26

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