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Old 15-12-2012, 03:42
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Yes there was as the their concern was espionarge with a view to terroism and onto mass murder. Terroism is a capital crime in many American states, including I think (though I'm not sure so please don't bite ny head off) Washington DC where he would have faced trial. Even if the death penalty wasn't an option, they were making no allowances for his illness so he'd have spent decades in prison.

No country will ever extradite one of their citizens for a crime to another coubtry which observes laws which we feel are beyond human rights by our legislation. Therefore, we won't extradite anyone, certainly not a mentally vulnerable man. To a regime which would make him suffer more than our (or EU) law would allow. We wouldn't have extradited someone to Iraq to be executed wither and I bet the US wouldn't either 10 years ago. In fac t I think the only reason the US let Iraq try Hussain is that they knew he'd be found guilty and it was a way to get the blood off their hands. I'd lay odds they'd have found a way to get him to the US if Iraq hadn't had the death penalty.

Apparently it is the son of a teacher that's done it. Taken her guns, killed her, gone to her school. Obviously iSsies, mummy lives those kids mire than me, perhaps. Probably developing for a long time and no way to ascertain that when he was a kid, she might have got the licence decades ago. Just het gums out of the homes!
Oh okay. Thanks for the insight. Scary to think about.

But you see the UK and US have a "Special Relationship" wherein by we give them EVERYTHING they want, and they give us nothing lol.
Couldn't agree more about the BIB. Very true.

Yes, I heard the gunman was a 20 year old whose parent worked at the school where the shooting took place.
If you are gonna be in possession of a gun, then make sure it is somwhere secure (i.e. vault safe, locked room, locked metal cupboard) where the kids can't just steal it and go shooting people. But I agree, the guns do need to be taken out of the homes. I suppose many keep it to protect themselves from burglars or whatever other dangers, but I'd rather risk my life with a burglar with nothing to defend myself with if it means 27 civilians (20 of them children) are saved from a future shooting.
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Old 15-12-2012, 03:56
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Back to the episode.
I won't quote it all but Lotty27 I really agree with all your points, and obviously the ones you mentioned by others.

I think Derek has been a wasted opportunity. Having heard his name from virtually Carol's first scene with David and Pat in 94 he was a legend awaiting forn. I knew who Jamie Foremanwas, both from his family onnections to the krays, being married to tiffany's mum and work in House of Elliot amongst other things. I liked him as a actor and thought it was a good choice so am sad that they spoilt it by making him a panto villain, shiving him down our throats and now kiiling hin off.
I'll miss him, not si much for ehat he was as what he could have been.

Abi has always been a daddys girl whilst tanya cossets Lauren. It wasn't as obvious at first but whilst Abi has wised up to Max a little and learnt to stand on her own feet (in the right way - not the getting pissed, running people over, Lauren way) whilst lauren is getiing more and more co dependent on Tanya and alcohol. Also, not being able to keep his snake in his trousers aside (and whatever happened in Manchester), I actually think that Max is a nicer and more moral person than Tan so probably best that Abi prefers him.

I love Cora and thought the awkard covo with Ava was perfectly judged.
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Old 15-12-2012, 04:08
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There are a couple of very good episodes on american shows which address this subject. The West Wing is one addressing extradition rules where they point out that nearly every country on the 'iffy' extradition list due to the death penaltt are countries in the Axis of Evil - ponder that.
Also, Family Ties, Michael j Fox sit com pre Back to the Future where his 60s liberal parents buy a gum after being robbed to protect their family - they might come in with with a gun when we're here, we have a right to prtoect ourselves. It ends with the dad throwing it away, deciding that he can't live with that in his home around his children even though it's locked away. They will take their chances.
Nearly all these school tragedies have a direct link, the killer went to the school, knew one of the teachers. No background check is goiong to find that ticking bomb. What you can do is make it harder fro them to access a grenade.
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Old 15-12-2012, 08:21
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PP still just about ahead- will Dullag or I catch up?
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Old 15-12-2012, 08:51
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Affected by Lola's story.

Nope because it's totally unbelievable.
Unless you're a vulnerable young new mum already known to Social Services, now worried your new baby will be snatched from you following unrealistic and undue pressure from an unsympathetic Trish Barnes-a-like... I mean, we read enough stories in 'real life' about Social Workers over-reacting, don't we - those alone must put the fear of God into anyone who's even vaguely in Lola's position, let alone watching a worse variation of it played out on EE.

If you were young and vulnerable there isn't much, either in reality or in the fictional world of TV at the moment to give you any faith in social workers being able to support you, when all you see are condemnation, unrealistic snap judgements and bum decisions. If I was a 'bit of a Lola', or even an older mum struggling to cope, I'd be affected enough to worry - perhaps wrongly, but worry all the same - and maybe even feel terrified that the same thing is going to happen to me. What will the advice be on those help lines if anyone rings up and asks if it will?

I know it's 'not real', but at the same time it's somewhat irresponsible of TPTB to create, and then develop, this story in such a heavy-handed way just to create 'interesting dynamics' and 'character development' for Phil or Sharon or Shirley or anyone else whose s/l is a deliberate direct result of the Lola story. It's irresponsible to do that without thinking about the impact it might be having on anyone (including social workers themselves) who are part of the system they are portraying.
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Old 15-12-2012, 17:20
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PP is still winning
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Old 15-12-2012, 17:21
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PP is still winning
Haha

It's 'cause she supports United you see .
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Old 15-12-2012, 17:47
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PP is still winning
I don't think we'll catch her now I had a great thread planned, always next year if I'm still here.

Chance I might be doing the nation's fav soap episode thread on xmas day so I win either way
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Old 15-12-2012, 17:48
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I don't think we'll catch her now I had a great thread planned, always next year if I'm still here.

Chance I might be doing the nation's fav soap episode thread on xmas day so I win either way
is there gonna be any end of year polls?
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Old 15-12-2012, 17:59
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Sorry dullag and IanMandy!
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Old 15-12-2012, 18:11
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is there gonna be any end of year polls?
I've an awards thread planned, don't want to say too much.

Sorry dullag and IanMandy!
Why? we'll be doing the other threads that week anyway.
Your reviews have made these threads for many this year, I'm looking forward to your 1st proper episode thread, the first of many
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Old 15-12-2012, 19:07
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I've an awards thread planned, don't want to say too much.


Why? we'll be doing the other threads that week anyway.
Your reviews have made these threads for many this year, I'm looking forward to your 1st proper episode thread, the first of many
Can I do Boxing Day?

Don't worry PP, theres next year!

Awards thread- will hat be like catsmeows one in september?
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Old 15-12-2012, 19:26
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Can I do Boxing Day?

Don't worry PP, theres next year!

Awards thread- will hat be like catsmeows one in september?
Yeah, I think I'll do 27th.

No it'll be on EE (best actress/actor/episode etc.)

You could do a catsmeow one including the whole year.
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Old 15-12-2012, 19:34
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Yeah, I think I'll do 27th.

No it'll be on EE (best actress/actor/episode etc.)

You could do a catsmeow one including the whole year.
Catsmeows DS users awards? I dont know, it is a bit soon since September

PS thanks for the 26th!
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Old 15-12-2012, 22:13
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Yeah, I think I'll do 27th.

No it'll be on EE (best actress/actor/episode etc.)

You could do a catsmeow one including the whole year.
As much as I wanted you to all do one combined super thread, I must say that I'm very disappointed at the lack of campaigning by you all. Where are the negative ads on your opponents? Where are the campaign promises that you won't keep? I bet none of you have kissed any babies or spoken in a patronising way to the elderly today, have you? Come on people, you've still got 24 hours, time to step it up!

Looking forward to your awards thread dullag!!
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Old 15-12-2012, 22:16
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As much as I wanted you to all do one combined super thread, I must say that I'm very disappointed at the lack of campaigning by you all. Where are the negative ads on your opponents? Where are the campaign promises that you won't keep? I bet none of you have kissed any babies or spoken in a patrinising way to the elderly today, have you? Come on people, you've still got 24 hours, time to step it up!

Looking forward to your awards thread dullag!!
We were waiting for our head protester
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Old 15-12-2012, 22:19
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We were waiting for our head protester
I was going to offer my services to be the moderator for the live debate!
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Old 17-12-2012, 16:17
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Yay! I won
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Old 17-12-2012, 16:50
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Sadly folks I wont be here to do a Xmas thread, which is why I'm not in the poll
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Old 17-12-2012, 17:32
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Catsmeows DS users awards? I dont know, it is a bit soon since September

PS thanks for the 26th!
I agree awards lose their effectiveness. Last 6 months we have had DS member awards, multiple favourite character awards and best storylines. This really went mental after the original top 50 character one. Since then it seems every 5 minutes there is another one. So unless its completely different from those we already had in the last few months how about limiting these to once a year or 6 months if you can not hold it in any longer?
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Old 17-12-2012, 18:21
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I agree awards lose their effectiveness. Last 6 months we have had DS member awards, multiple favourite character awards and best storylines. This really went mental after the original top 50 character one. Since then it seems every 5 minutes there is another one. So unless its completely different from those we already had in the last few months how about limiting these to once a year or 6 months if you can not hold it in any longer?
Problem is, all soap related ones will have been done
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Old 17-12-2012, 18:24
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Problem is, all soap related ones will have been done
Exactly so wait a year before another one. We do not need another EE related one like I said they lose their effectiveness. And if nobody can think of anything else, I think the board can cope for a few months without an awards which mean less and less the more we do them?
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Old 17-12-2012, 18:25
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Can I just say, thank you for giving us Van Persie .
*Awaits the wrath of Zack*
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Old 17-12-2012, 18:26
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Exactly so wait a year before another one. We do not need another EE related one like I said they lose their effectiveness. And if nobody can think of anything else, I think the board can cope for a few months without an awards which mean less and less the more we do them?
Yes, there needs to be a break. Its a shame because I was going to do another top character one for the end of the year but because there have been so many...

The DS Users one was good but its only been 3 months
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Old 17-12-2012, 18:40
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There's a special character one that runs every January for each soap with knock out rounds until the final 2. I think Bertypop does the EE one.

My awards thread is different:
Best actor
Best actress
Best storyline
Best episode
Best newcomer
Best exit
Best villian
Worst actor
Worst actress
Worst exit
Worst storyline
Best return
Most improved character
Most overused character
Most underused character
Best child actor
Best young actor/actress
Best birth
Best wedding
Sexiest actor
Sexiest actress
Funniest character
Best couple
Best family
Best writer
Character of the Year
Dramatic performance of the year
Scene of the year
Mark 2012 out of 10

(Jan 12-Dec 12)
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