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Old 16-12-2012, 18:34
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I put my old PS2 on today and played a couple of games, and I couldn't help but notice how crap the graphics are compared to today's standards. I know it's an old platform but wow I was shocked at how bad the graphics really are. I played The Sims 2: Castaway and Just Cause. I think I'm gonna have to get these on the XBOX 360 to play in HD!!
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Old 16-12-2012, 21:10
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Gran Turismo 4 looked good for a previous generation game
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Old 16-12-2012, 21:11
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Gran Turismo 4 looked good for a previous generation game
Now that's one I haven't played for a long time.
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Old 16-12-2012, 21:20
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What a very strange post, the PlayStation 2 was released in March 2000, its now December 2012.

You are surprised the PS2's graphics are not as good as today's consoles? I strongly advise you do not compare a PC from the year 2000 against the gaming graphics of a PC from 2012.
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Old 16-12-2012, 21:24
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Yeah - I played my SNES the other day and boy the graphics didnt come up to today's standard
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Old 16-12-2012, 21:35
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Yeah - I played my SNES the other day and boy the graphics didnt come up to today's standard
But they were more fun
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Old 16-12-2012, 23:23
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Metal Gear Solid 3's graphics beat many games of this generation.
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Old 17-12-2012, 00:53
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What a very strange post, the PlayStation 2 was released in March 2000, its now December 2012.

You are surprised the PS2's graphics are not as good as today's consoles? I strongly advise you do not compare a PC from the year 2000 against the gaming graphics of a PC from 2012.
I see your point. Wouldn't say I was surprised though.
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Old 17-12-2012, 02:27
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It is funny how our standards change as technology evolves. It's hard to envision how good the graphics on the next generation of consoles will be, so they will inevitably look amazing when we see them and render the likes of the PS3 graphics "crap" in comparison.
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Old 17-12-2012, 04:31
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Fired up my Commodore 64 earlier and the graphics were woeful compared to my PS3.
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Old 17-12-2012, 06:18
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Fired up Pong today.....
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Old 17-12-2012, 07:08
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It is funny how our standards change as technology evolves. It's hard to envision how good the graphics on the next generation of consoles will be, so they will inevitably look amazing when we see them and render the likes of the PS3 graphics "crap" in comparison.
That's true, although I don't own a PS3, the only latest console I own is the Xbox 360. Graphics are great on that but I'm sure PS3s are probably better being a newer generation console.

The very first console I owned was the PS1, now I must have been 5 or 6 years old when I got that and I thought it was amazing, but again I think if I were to play it today I'd be totally put off by the graphics.
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Old 17-12-2012, 13:26
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To be fair to the OP I think several here are intentionally missing the point. Not that the PS3 graphics are better than PS2, but quite how much better they are. You forget quickly what the previous gen's graphics are like, the picture in your head is always clearer than that in reality.
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Old 17-12-2012, 13:34
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I personally look to the Gamecube for how good graphics can be from the last generation. Games like REmake and Metroid Prime still put some modern day PS3 games to shame in terms of graphics.
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Old 17-12-2012, 15:37
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To be fair to the OP I think several here are intentionally missing the point. Not that the PS3 graphics are better than PS2, but quite how much better they are. You forget quickly what the previous gen's graphics are like, the picture in your head is always clearer than that in reality.
Exactly, that's what I was trying to say but couldn't think of the words, thanks.
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Old 17-12-2012, 16:16
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I too find the difference in graphics between this generation and the last shocking. Personally, I don't think this generation gets the credit it deserves for moving things on so much graphically not to mention other bonuses like comprehensive media playback, well developed eShops with great indie games and the standardisation of wireless controllers to name just a few.

I think a number of things contribute to the perceived difference in quality though, think of the year 2000 (release of PS2) and the kind of TV you had, it would almost certainly have been a CRT and likely 32 inches at most, many were less. Smaller screens help to hide graphical limitations and CRT TVs are a lot more forgiving of SD sources anyway and do help to minimise the prominence of visual artefacts be they from over-compressed digital TV or jaggy textures on a PS2 game. Plus the resolution of the PS2 is a much better match to the SD resolution of CRTs while on LCDs it has to be up scaled a lot (again reducing the quality you see). Plus using the bog standard composite lead instead of RGB Scart or Component (though sadly few PS2 games support component properly) will further muddy the picture.

Aside from that the sheer longevity of this generation (which I am all for) has meant that graphics have been honed to an impressive degree only serving to emphasise just how much more advanced they are than the previous generation.

Saying that, some games hold up better than others as mentioned Gran Turismo 4 is one of the PS2 visual stand outs as is Final Fantasy XII which was very highly praised at the time, they even came close to getting realistic looking character hair which is pretty amazing for PS2 technology.

I also find that 2D games stand the test of time much better than 3D ones. I can quite comfortably still play 2D games from PS1 and even the 16 bit generation (SNES and Megadrive) where as I find PS1 3D games look absolutely shockingly bad today.
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Old 17-12-2012, 19:27
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I too find the difference in graphics between this generation and the last shocking. Personally, I don't think this generation gets the credit it deserves for moving things on so much graphically not to mention other bonuses like comprehensive media playback, well developed eShops with great indie games and the standardisation of wireless controllers to name just a few.

I think a number of things contribute to the perceived difference in quality though, think of the year 2000 (release of PS2) and the kind of TV you had, it would almost certainly have been a CRT and likely 32 inches at most, many were less. Smaller screens help to hide graphical limitations and CRT TVs are a lot more forgiving of SD sources anyway and do help to minimise the prominence of visual artefacts be they from over-compressed digital TV or jaggy textures on a PS2 game. Plus the resolution of the PS2 is a much better match to the SD resolution of CRTs while on LCDs it has to be up scaled a lot (again reducing the quality you see). Plus using the bog standard composite lead instead of RGB Scart or Component (though sadly few PS2 games support component properly) will further muddy the picture.

Aside from that the sheer longevity of this generation (which I am all for) has meant that graphics have been honed to an impressive degree only serving to emphasise just how much more advanced they are than the previous generation.

Saying that, some games hold up better than others as mentioned Gran Turismo 4 is one of the PS2 visual stand outs as is Final Fantasy XII which was very highly praised at the time, they even came close to getting realistic looking character hair which is pretty amazing for PS2 technology.

I also find that 2D games stand the test of time much better than 3D ones. I can quite comfortably still play 2D games from PS1 and even the 16 bit generation (SNES and Megadrive) where as I find PS1 3D games look absolutely shockingly bad today.
Agreed, consoles certainly have come a long way in the last ten years or so. I remember playing GTA Vice City and GTA 3 on the PS2 and you just can't compare it to what we have today with graphics. As for the TV I am using, I believe it is a 28" CRT. It was recently in the living room at my Mum's house until we upgraded to a 40" LCD TV and I had the 28" CRT TV moved to my bedroom.

I haven't played it for a while but GTA San Andreas was a good one too, I could play that for hours and the graphics wouldn't bother me. Now I play GTA IV on my 360, at my Dad's where I have a 32" LCD TV so I can play it in HD. Got to admit, I much prefer to do that than to play PS2 and look at crappy blurry graphics on my screen.

By the way, it's nice to see we live in the same area.
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Old 17-12-2012, 22:33
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I thought the PS2 held up quite well when playing it on a 60gb PS3, however when I played it on a original PS2 through the component the graphics were terrible,
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Old 18-12-2012, 02:13
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The survival horrors have aged the best from the ps2 era IMO

Look at the resident evil remake its,a stunning looking game to this very day and IMO is still up there look at the sheer detail in every room of that game its amazing sure its all prerendered but so what it looks amazingand can still scare imo

Silent hill 3 is another that looks stunning now even remastered in HD to show all the details from the game

you can tell these two games where made with love by the developers

The details on the character models on jilll,chris,barry etc from RE and heather from silent hill 3 is also still great even today

Resident evil 4 came late in the era but holds up very well even its gameplay design which inspired alot of what we see nowadays with third person shooters
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Old 18-12-2012, 02:42
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I don't know why but whenever I play Need For Speed Most Wanted on the PS2, i'm always surprised how good the graphics are. Maybe because I just think its going to be horrible and so my standards are very low... I so wish they would bring it back to the PS Store so I can buy it (it was a best seller) but I seriously doubt it
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Old 18-12-2012, 05:09
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PS2 looks awful on a HDTV but play it on a CRT in RGB and the games still look real nice. If you are playing it on a HDTV then that would be the reason why since it was never designed to be viewed this way. One of the best examples of this I can give is Shadow of the Colossus, play it on HDTV and my god it looks hideous but on an SDTV it's a damn beautiful game, even today.
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Old 18-12-2012, 17:35
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PS2 looks awful on a HDTV but play it on a CRT in RGB and the games still look real nice. If you are playing it on a HDTV then that would be the reason why since it was never designed to be viewed this way. One of the best examples of this I can give is Shadow of the Colossus, play it on HDTV and my god it looks hideous but on an SDTV it's a damn beautiful game, even today.
A 60gb PS3 through HDMI returned a lot of that beauty.
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Old 18-12-2012, 20:40
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well it is an old console lol.

Tbh back in the day i thought the graphics looked os real

I thought the game Black looked good on PS2 even though it was a poor game, i thought MGS 2 and 3 looked amazing and i can still play them today
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Old 18-12-2012, 21:14
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i thought MGS 2 and 3 looked amazing and i can still play them today
I still play these! It's been years since I last played them, but my opinion on MGS2 has changed a lot, I actually think it's very under rated now, after MGS4, if you play back MGS2, that game does a perfect job is setting everything up and more! The Entire Tanker and Big Shell Incident is one amazing event that really flipped the world events over.
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Old 18-12-2012, 21:16
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i thought the ps2, at the time was the dogs....


vice city, best game ever made
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