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The Ratings Thread (Part 44)
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cylon6
01-01-2013
Originally Posted by rzt:
“I think Thursday 8.30pm sitcoms will ultimately not work, it reminds me of when BBC One were trying sitcoms at 8.30pm on Wednesdays away from any junction on other channels. The problem is that although they will have an Emmerdale lead in of c6.5m, these sitcoms will be starting half way through programmes on every other channel. The casual audience willing to flip over to ITV1 at 8.30pm half-way through watching other programmes will be low so these new sitcoms will need to have a big appeal to those Emmerdale viewers watching before-hand, which is going to be difficult. Pre-watershed sitcoms is a welcome return (even if there's probably as little as 2 next year) but I'm just not convinced they'll work in that particular slot even if they're good. I think Monday 8pm, even against EastEnders, is a better slot to try out these sitcoms because they're scheduled in between Corrie. With the way PoG's show rated and how other 'filler' programmes manage to get 4m in that slot, there's clearly a big counter audience to EE available in that slot particularly among older viewers. Pretty sure that some of these shows which get 4m on Monday at 8pm against EE would be down to about 3m on Thursday at 8.30pm against weaker opposition. So why not try a sitcom, ideally an older skewing one, in that Monday slot and see how it goes? 4m would be decent and if a stable audience is established, look at ways in moving it to a better 9pm post-Corrie slot the next series to grow its audience. For the Thursday 8.30pm slot, factual shows and half-hour game shows would suffice.”

I think Thursdays at 8.30pm is a potentially good time for a pre-watershed comedy.

Some of you might be too young to remember the 80s/90s where BBC1 had sitcoms on Mondays at 8.30pm against World In Action and Thursdays at 8.30pm against This Week. 2Point4 Children turned into a huge hit when it went out on Mondays at the time. Birds Of A Feather launched on Monday in that slot in 1989 and the following year Keeping Up Appearances did the same and Goodnight Sweetheart was a success there too. It was one of the main reasons ITV put a second Corrie on Monday nights. When World In Action ended ITV put stronger competition there too and BBC1 lost those safe slots to debut new sitcoms.

ITV can make Thursday comedy work if they find the right show as Emmerdale provides a solid lead-in. BBC1 shows starting at 8pm will struggle against Emmerdale.
Jonwo
01-01-2013
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“According to film lovers on the film database IMDB, Up is the 114th best movie of all-time. Branding it a childish cartoon seems more than a little silly. Obviously every premiere won't be as big as Up, but for the most part they are providing the BBC with very high quality timeless films that appeal to big mainstream audiences year-after-year. To be bemoaning that fact as a supporter of the BBC is somewhat baffling.

Disney Pixar's Toy Story 3 will be absolutely massive next Christmas, for sure. Shrek didn't do very well this year purely because the previous film in the series was a pile of crap and somewhat tarnished the brand.”

Up is excellent as is Toy Story 3, I wonder if BBC One will put Toy Story 3 on NYD if the ratings are great for Up and have either Megamind or Kung Fu Panda 2 on Christmas Day instead. Cars 2 which isn't exactly loved will probably get Boxing Day or Christmas Eve. How to Train Your Dragon gor 4.6m on Boxing Day which was only 0.3m less than Shrek with less promotion.

I've found it strange that none of the terrestrials apart from Channel 4 at one time have never considered a two hour comedy block like in the US where you could have prewatershed comedy from 8-9pm then post watershed comedy from 9-10pm. BBC One did at one have a sort of comedy block from 8.30-10pm on Fridays then news then Jonathan Ross which came to an end when Corrie moved to 8.30pm and so comedy started at 9pm instead.
Agent F
01-01-2013
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“According to film lovers on the film database IMDB, Up is the 114th best movie of all-time. Branding it a childish cartoon seems more than a little silly. Obviously every premiere won't be as big as Up, but for the most part they are providing the BBC with very high quality timeless films that appeal to big mainstream audiences year-after-year. To be bemoaning that fact as a supporter of the BBC is somewhat baffling.

Disney Pixar's Toy Story 3 will be absolutely massive next Christmas, for sure. Shrek didn't do very well this year purely because the previous film in the series was a pile of crap and somewhat tarnished the brand.”

Agreed. Think Robbie is allowing his own prejudices about 'cartoons' to get the better of him.
Glenn A
01-01-2013
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“They (and others) have tried chat shows in that slot though and none of them have performed as well. That would suggest it was O'Grady rather than the chat show that pulled viewers in. If they could find a new O'Grady to anchor the show I suspect they'd be inclined to bring it back.”

It's hard as Graham Norton is tied to the BBC and Jonathan Ross is too big for this. Sad thing was it was a dispute over money that saw this show go. Maybe a decent candidate, but one who could be expensive and who was a popular stand in for POG, is Lorraine Kelly.
welshfoxy
01-01-2013
Originally Posted by Sam Solitude:
“I hope you're right Glenn.The only folk who seem to watch it are teenage D.S. members.
The show's been the worst rated soap since I can remember.
More UK viewers watch Doctors & Home 'n' Away !”

Hilarious, considering that is the target audience!
AlexiR
01-01-2013
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“According to film lovers on the film database IMDB, Up is the 114th best movie of all-time...”

My dislike of IMDB aside Up is an excellent film. I think its up there with Wall-E as Pixar's best offering and easily has more mainstream appeal than Wall-E. I'm hopeful that it'll do well. It certainly deserves to and the BBC have promoted it well. And I agree Toy Story 3 should be huge next year. Be interesting to see where in the schedule it ultimately lands. Unfortunately the Pixar stuff gets less impressive following Toy Story 3. In fact the animated offerings in general aren't great for the next couple of years at least (excluding Toy Story 3).
jda135
01-01-2013
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“The question is how many would have come back after the disaster of the 2011 coverage? I suspect their concern was that 2011 left such a bad taste in the viewers mouth that they'd just sit it out this time around. Did the 2011 Championships even perform that well for them?”

I think that if they proved to viewers that they have changed, or even got viewer feedback, I think they could've done well. I don't know how it performed, maybe someone could give us the ratings.

Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“I don't think it's the PSB commitments weighing them down - it's their approach to them, which is basically filling hours with cheap documentaries rather than getting that balance of commercially successful shows to fund fairly high end PSB content. C4's factual content has gone from being stuff like Equinox and David Starkey series to just middle of the road rubbish like The Horse Hoarder (yes, seriously - next Monday!)

Thinking about it though I don't think it helps the channels image putting one off documentaries into the schedule under their own title. They used to put such shows under the Cutting Edge banner and that would come across in the schedules as a ten week run of a well respected documentary strand, rather than a ten week run of random unconnected fly on the wall shows as they look to be now.”

Instead of many strands like 'True Stories' and 'Cutting Edge', they could bring all their one-off docs under a brand name like 'Focus'.

Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“Channel 4 need to seriously look at why they are failing. They seem to hammer a handful of shows into the ground like DOND, CDWM and Hollyoaks, and lack a hit which people identified them with like BB. Yes they were right to move on from BB, as ratings were falling and it had become a millstone for them, but a suitable replacement was never found. BFGW seemed to do very well for them, but now this has been scrapped.
Sadly the modern Channel 4 seems to lack any kind of innovation and risk taking that made it a huge success in the late eighties/early nineties and seems overly dependent on box opening, dinner parties and property.”

Be careful. Someone at C4 might look at putting box opening, dinner parties and property altogether in one show. You could call it 'Come Deal with Me Location'. (Your welcome C4 )

Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“One thing I will say for both Deal or No Deal and Come Dine with Me is although undoubtedly they've been milked is that they are still a good watch if you just find yourself watching one having not seen it for ages, something I've done with both shows over the last week. I wouldn't be axing either as just like with Big Brother they've got nothing at the moment to replace them with - but they definately need to learn that less is more and when recommision be going for shorter runs.

The quizzes they're squeezing in at 3.30pm (none of which are anywhere near as innovative as Deal was when that burst on the scene - or The Chase or Pointless) really should be getting tried at points of the year when Countdown or Deal isn't on air. If they really want an extra quiz in the afternoon they could do a lot worse than resurrect 15 to 1.”

Come Dine With Me has almost become a guilty pleasure , an indulgent treat for many. Same goes for Deal or No Deal. If they they could change their schedule so that a lot of their shows don't become worn out so quickly, it could help them bring shows like Countdown back in ratings.

3.20pm - Countdown
4.00pm - Gameshow
4.30pm - Deal or No Deal
5.30pm - Factual entertainment (Come Dine With Me, Coach Trip etc...)

Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“I remember that, but ias for it being too intelligent, the continued success of The Chase, Eggheads and University Challenge suggest at least 2 million people would watch. Scrapping Perfect Recall was another mistake.
What Channel 4 really need to do is to reduce DOND to six months of the year and in its place have quizzes like 15 to 1 and Perfect Recall. Also abandoning a chat show at 5 seems not to have worked as POG was attracting 2-3 million viewers.”

Agreed about Perfect Recall. Great show that should in all told be revived. I think at the moment, C4 should just get rid of the Sunday DOND before even thinking of reducing it to 6 months of the year. I don't think Channel 4 have the spend in daytime for a live chatshow with big guests.
cylon6
01-01-2013
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“Apart from Prince of Persia (the less said about that the better), has every one of BBC1's festive film premieres been a cartoon?”

There was also Alice In Wonderland and The Sorceror's Apprentice. That appeared to be it.

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“Do they not have the rights to anything other than Disney and Pixar at the moment?

It's one thing that seems to be missing from BBC1's Christmas - a decent film.”

They have a Disney/Pixar deal so show their films. ITV signed Warner Brothers/Universal, Channel 4 has 20th Century Fox and Paramount I think. Forget who Channel 5 has.
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“In terms of idents (again, the less said the better...), it looks like EE gets a sparkly ident (judging by the promo) but Miranda and MBB do not - back to normal BBC1 at 9pm.

I know the 2012 festive idents have been appalling, but it's still New Years Day - and it proves that to the BBC, the festive idents are purely a promotional tool not a treat for viewers.”

Today is the last day of the festive idents. It's back to normal tomorrow. A strange thing about the BBC1 idents this year is that even though they've done better ones I haven't been bored with them unlike previous years. Last year did my head in and as good as the Doctor Who one was in 2009, it got on my nerves after a few days as there was only one of them. There's something to be said about having several idents.
Jonwo
01-01-2013
Originally Posted by cylon6:
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They have a Disney/Pixar deal so show their films. ITV signed Warner Brothers/Universal, Channel 4 has 20th Century Fox and Paramount I think. Forget who Channel 5 has.
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BBC also has the rights to Dreamworks animated and live action films although some like Transformers were co-production with Paramount so ended up on Channel 4. Channel 5 is Sony although last year a lot of Sony films ended up on Channel 4 and BBC Two, Channel 4 I think has the Summit Entertainment films like Twilight and Channel 5 have shown Lionsgate films.

Originally Posted by nick202:
“Just out of interest, did anyone see the HD version on BBC1 HD yesterday, and if so what was the quality like? Was it better than the rather paltry 'HD' showing of Mary Poppins last year? I had meant to catch it, but completely forgot it was on.”

Mary Poppins I don't think had an HD restoration but it will do when it's eventually released on Blu-Ray in 2014 and I imagine all future HD TV airing will use that instead of the current one.
Dancc
01-01-2013
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Forget who Channel 5 has.”

Sony, mostly. They pick up others where they can.

It'll be interesting to see who gets Angels and Demons this year as The Da Vinci Code rated very strongly for its premiere (3.7m in the overnights for Five) and every time it's repeated seems to do well. Even the showing on 5* on Friday, just a couple of weeks after it had aired on Channel 5, managed a very respectable and well above average 411k (2.3%).
Will_ORegan
01-01-2013
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“They have a Disney/Pixar deal so show their films. ITV signed Warner Brothers/Universal, Channel 4 has 20th Century Fox and Paramount I think. Forget who Channel 5 has.”

I think Channel 5 have a Sony Pictures deal

Does anyone know how if this is the case regarding BBC and Disney movies, how did ITV show Toy Story, Toy Story 2 and Aladdin over the Christmas period along with the UK TV premiere of Tangled on Christmas Day?
Glenn A
01-01-2013
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Sony, mostly. They pick up others where they can.

It'll be interesting to see who gets Angels and Demons this year as The Da Vinci Code rated very strongly for its premiere (3.7m in the overnights for Five) and every time it's repeated seems to do well. Even the showing on 5* on Friday, just a couple of weeks after it had aired on Channel 5, managed a very respectable and well above average 411k (2.3%).”

Channel 5's biggest hit starts in two days time. Actually I'm confident for Five this year as the relative success of Dallas, CBB and their crime shows is making them more confident. I still think the FA Cup contract is something they want to nab.
Only_You
01-01-2013
Miranda is trending at #1 on twitter, even though it is not on for half hour!
Jonwo
01-01-2013
Originally Posted by Will_ORegan:
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Does anyone know how if this is the case regarding BBC and Disney movies, how did ITV show Toy Story, Toy Story 2 and Aladdin over the Christmas period along with the UK TV premiere of Tangled on Christmas Day?”

Disney seem to have a seperate deal for their older titles, Channel 5 showed the premieres of the 90s Disney films as well as repeating Pixar films like Toy Story, Monsters Inc and Finding Nemo etc I guess ITV did a deal for Tangled and got Toy Story and Toy Story 2 chucked in as part of the deal, Aladdin they showed the previous year.

I hope a lot of the films that were meant to be shown last year like 2012, Angels and Demons, The Hangover etc get shown in the coming months along other terrestrial premieres like Inception, Iron Man 2, Salt to name but a few.
Fudd
01-01-2013
I'm going to have to remember John Bishop - The Sunshine Tour at the end of year awards; that's a phenomenal rating for the show and, as alluded to, beat a lot of primetime offerings on the commercial networks. New Year Live did exceptionally well again with a decent lead in from Graham Norton...where do the viewers come from? 4.5m to 10.3m is a stunning leap. Then again, I suppose we've seen it on ITV before when Britain's Got Talent and The X Factor air. EastEnders looks low and the concern for it is the share looks slightly lower than it should be. The tape-checked ratings for Emmerdale and Coronation Street are reasonable but not spectacular and 2012: A Funny Old Year had Corrie viewers reaching for the remote; a bit like Prince of Persia on BBC One.

Alan Carr's New Year Specstacular did ok but considering it so obviously was aimed at a younger audience I'm slightly surprised it didn't air tonight as a final hello to 2013. Channel 4 could have aired an older skewing show in it's place to try and mop up the anti film audience. Channel 5 had a quite night, as did BBC Two before Hootenanny.

Originally Posted by Only_You:
“Miranda is trending at #1 on twitter, even though it is not on for half hour!”

I think BBC One and ITV1 have done brilliantly between them in regards to Quarter One Monday scheduling. I can see Miranda/Mrs Brown's Boys and Lewis appealing to difference audiences which means both should hold up relatively well. I expect the comedy hour to easily win through by Lewis shouldn't disgrace itself. The one issue is that I think the comedies will appeal more to the younger audience the advertisers desire.

For me, this is a make or break year for ITV - they have to make more of an impact than they did in 2012 yet BBC One seems relatively strong even without the Olympics and the Jubilee. If the commercial broadcaster fails to strike back they may find themselves even more reliant on (some aging) big hitters with the rest of their programming being cheap documentaries.
D.M.N.
01-01-2013
Miranda from last week is 6th on iPlayer - should win the night tonight.
Brekkie
01-01-2013
Originally Posted by Jonwo:
“Mary Poppins I don't think had an HD restoration but it will do when it's eventually released on Blu-Ray in 2014 and I imagine all future HD TV airing will use that instead of the current one.”

Talking of HD and I'm guessing film companies are still charging more for the HD rights as most of BBC2's films over Christmas were not simulcast on BBC HD.

Originally Posted by Fudd:
“I'm going to have to remember John Bishop - The Sunshine Tour at the end of year awards; that's a phenomenal rating for the show and, as alluded to, beat a lot of primetime offerings on the commercial networks.”

Technically speaking we can file that under 2012 as the TV day ends at 6am (and the ratings day at 2am).

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“Alan Carr's New Year Specstacular did ok but considering it so obviously was aimed at a younger audience I'm slightly surprised it didn't air tonight as a final hello to 2013. Channel 4 could have aired an older skewing show in it's place to try and mop up the anti film audience. Channel 5 had a quite night, as did BBC Two before Hootenanny.”

There has always been an appetite for younger skewing shows on New Years Eve, though to be honest the guests let it down as it was pretty much the same guests Alan Carr always has for such specials.
Fudd
01-01-2013
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“Technically speaking we can file that under 2012 as the TV day ends at 6am (and the ratings day at 2am).”

Can I make a last minute nomination for the 2012 awards then?

Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“There has always been an appetite for younger skewing shows on New Years Eve, though to be honest the guests let it down as it was pretty much the same guests Alan Carr always has for such specials.”

It wasn't a bad show though had a very slow start which I suppose may have hurt it slightly.
Chris1964
01-01-2013
Regarding films, I think the BBC do well to stick to Disney/Dreamworks. They are only really interested in family films at Christmas and maybe Easter at a push these days and people maybe are more inclined to make time to watch in the holidays even if they have seen it before.

Outside of Christmas and Harry Potter, very few films prove their worth in primetime now, when back in the day any old made for tv effort could get 10 million if the wind was in the right direction.
td1983
01-01-2013
Does anyone know what Catch Me If You Can got on BBC 2 last night? Was watching it again, great film.
D.M.N.
01-01-2013
Originally Posted by td1983:
“Does anyone know what Catch Me If You Can got on BBC 2 last night? Was watching it again, great film.”

1.38m (6.8%)
Fudd
01-01-2013
Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“Regarding films, I think the BBC do well to stick to Disney/Dreamworks. They are only really interested in family films at Christmas and maybe Easter at a push these days and people maybe are more inclined to make time to watch in the holidays even if they have seen it before.

Outside of Christmas and Harry Potter, very few films prove their worth in primetime now, when back in the day any old made for tv effort could get 10 million if the wind was in the right direction.”

Not that Harry Potter was very successful last New Years Day; it didn't even make 4m.
D.M.N.
01-01-2013
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“ New Year Live did exceptionally well again with a decent lead in from Graham Norton...where do the viewers come from? 4.5m to 10.3m is a stunning leap.”

By pressing the 'On' button on their TV.

Total TV Audience
23:20 - 16.32m
23:25 - 16.30m
23:30 - 16.42m
23:35 - 16.70m
23:40 - 16.72m
23:45 - 17.20m
23:50 - 18.12m
23:55 - 19.31m
24:00 - 19.75m
24:05 - 19.17m
24:10 - 18.48m

Interesting note about Graham Norton, at 22:55, 3.94m (22.8%) were watching, this had surged to 5.00m (30.4%) ten minutes later as Alan Carr finished. Carr peaked with 2.23m (12.5%) at 22:05.
td1983
01-01-2013
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“1.38m (6.8%) ”

Thanks, pretty decent rating there. And Happy New Year everyone, by the way!
Chris1964
01-01-2013
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Not that Harry Potter was very successful last New Years Day; it didn't even make 4m.”

Yes Id forgotten that.
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