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its also worth pointing out that the BBC does already have a political comedy "The Thick Of It", whilst there is nothing to say the BBC can not have two, there is nothing to say it needs two.
Why should the BBC just hand over cash, to someone who apparently has a massive entitlement complex, for a show, they dont need, need, and is possibly duplicating something the BBC already has. Fair enough if the pilot/script was strong, the BBC can pick it up, but I would rather the BBC make the new series "The Thick Of It" than remake/revival of Yes Prime Minister. They dont want to write a pilot, let me get my assistant to show them the door, whilst I hunch over my table laughing. |
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In an ideal world you are of course correct. The trouble with BBC1 though, is that there's only five weeks from the start of January until Saturday schedules become disrupted for Six Nations Rugby. Putting The Voice and Doctor Who on for 8 weeks from the start of January would do more damage to these two shows as they would be shunted around the schedule to accommodate Rugby.
Any news on if Let's Dance is returning? |
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If BBC One are going to air a double EastEnders bill I'd do it on a Monday rather than a Friday; the younger demographic tend to go out on a Friday night hence the dented 9pm figure. Apollo should have done better considering the lead in. Emmerdale and Coronation Street did ok though Benidorm performed expectedly badly as a repeat. The mash up didn't exactly work for Channel 4 while Celebrity Big Brother would have done better if it wasn't for the additional soap episode on BBC One. Quote:
Because nobody would have watched it if they'd promoted what it actually is...?
I do wonder if the BBC are now kicking themselves for not moving The Voice to Q1 this year. I can't help but think it might have cleaned up here. And looked fantastic by comparison. I didn't think Splash was too bad until the phone lines opened and then it was a case of bringing forward the pointless filler. They need to think of something better to fill that slot, though the Bond-theme dive show was pretty good though would have looked better in the studio than on the TV screen. They need more comic presenters than Gabby Logan, as much as I love her; for such a ridiculous format - they need to take the mick out of it. I'm sure it'll rate pretty appallingly while Britain's Brightest will do well; indeed, despite being full of filler I'm sure BBC One will hold up fine as usual. |
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The audience has voted like they would for Lets Dance rather than Strictly, and thats how the show comes across- fat guy jumps into water rather than diving technique.
EDIT-Im doing a diservice to Robert Webb whose dance was brilliant and Rufus Hound too probably. Omid was the only one to jump from 10m. |
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If BBC One are going to air a double EastEnders bill I'd do it on a Monday rather than a Friday; the younger demographic tend to go out on a Friday night hence the dented 9pm figure. Apollo should have done better considering the lead in. Emmerdale and Coronation Street did ok though Benidorm performed expectedly badly as a repeat. The mash up didn't exactly work for Channel 4 while Celebrity Big Brother would have done better if it wasn't for the additional soap episode on BBC One.
Or ITV1 wondering why they didn't at the very least Dancing on Ice so it could air on Saturday night. If they had split it it wouldn't need to start at the relatively early time of 6.15pm tomorrow night and it would have swept up reading the reviews of Britain's Brightest. I didn't think Splash was too bad until the phone lines opened and then it was a case of bringing forward the pointless filler. They need to think of something better to fill that slot, though the Bond-theme dive show was pretty good though would have looked better in the studio than on the TV screen. They need more comic presenters than Gabby Logan, as much as I love her; for such a ridiculous format - they need to take the mick out of it. I'm sure it'll rate pretty appallingly while Britain's Brightest will do well; indeed, despite being full of filler I'm sure BBC One will hold up fine as usual. I would have done this tonight: 5.30 Animal Antics 6.00 Celebrity Mastermind 6.30 Merlin (instead of BBC3) 7.15 Britains Brightest 8.30 Casualty 9.20 The National Lottery Draws 9.30 BBC News 9.50 Film: POTC: At World's End Secret Service would have been on at 7pm on BBC3. |
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given that this is the year of Doctors Whos anniversary, some selected Classic Who, could have aired tonight.
As for comparing Lets Dance to Splash, as I recall Lets Dance the act who got the best reception on Lets Dance, were men who dragged up. Not something that can really work on Splash. The British ability to laugh at a man in a dress, is timeless, and leads too far too many cheap jokes, getting better laughs than they should. |
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Do we know if the replacements for the 5.30 morning news have rated any better than the news?
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Britains Brightest was actually a well produced and enjoyable show. The two shows before it however were pants.
I would have done this tonight: 5.30 Animal Antics 6.00 Celebrity Mastermind 6.30 Merlin (instead of BBC3) 7.15 Britains Brightest 8.30 Casualty 9.20 The National Lottery Draws 9.30 BBC News 9.50 Film: POTC: At World's End Secret Service would have been on at 7pm on BBC3. |
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Actually a complete rerun of Merlin in the 5.30pm slot would be perfectly acceptable for Saturday nights on BBC1. After all Dad's Army filled it for years, while ITV often air You've Been Framed repeats around that time.
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Do we know if the replacements for the 5.30 morning news have rated any better than the news?
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Completely agree - and I'd say with a revival a pilot is even more crucial than if it were a new sitcom - the 38 previous episodes are irrelevent considering they're of a different age. The BBC are right to at least try and move forward with their comedy and turn down revivals of shows like Red Dwarf and Yes Prime Minister - and most would say they should never have revived Only Fools and Horses and The Royle Family either, though ratings wise they both had a job to do and they both did it. From the ads I've seen for Yes, Prime Minister it does look very dated - and frankly not that good. |
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I bet theres some Dutch TV companies in a bit of a sweat tonight.
Thats two formats that have done amazing on Dutch TV and appear to be failing on UK TV. The Voice and by the looks of it Celebrity splash. If Splash does flop surely with money so tight UK companies are going to avoid the dutch formats for fear its not going to translate well? |
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I bet theres some Dutch TV companies in a bit of a sweat tonight.
Thats two formats that have done amazing on Dutch TV and appear to be failing on UK TV. The Voice and by the looks of it Celebrity splash. If Splash does flop surely with money so tight UK companies are going to avoid the dutch formats for fear its not going to translate well? As for will we continue to remake Dutch formats, its been said recently, that the Dutch are very successful in making TV formats, that sell around the world, I dont think Splash will stop ITV from remaking another Dutch format for a UK audience, it will hopefully stop them remaking bad Dutch formats, for the UK audience. |
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I bet theres some Dutch TV companies in a bit of a sweat tonight.
Thats two formats that have done amazing on Dutch TV and appear to be failing on UK TV. The Voice and by the looks of it Celebrity splash. If Splash does flop surely with money so tight UK companies are going to avoid the dutch formats for fear its not going to translate well? |
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The Voice was the biggest new entertainment hit on BBC1 in a decade with an average of 9.2million viewers so it didnt 'flop' despite what some poeple might like to say. A couple of below par live show ratings maybe, but it wasnt an out and out flop.
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Blimey - it was painful watching BBC One this evening. Animal Antics - horrible, lazy television appealing to the lowest common denominator. What was Tim Brooke-Taylor thinking of in signing up for that? A real insult to the viewer. Secret Service was not much better. As we were watching these, my dad said, "So the BBC mustn't have much money left then" - the cheap nature of these shows is blatantly evident. I predict massive flops.
Britain's Brightest is actually quite good - surprisingly, and they have a good host in Clare Balding - but it just feels too worthy on a Saturday night. I predict it won't do much better than a typical Lottery quiz show, a la Who Dares Wins, so 3-4m. I hate to say it but I suspect itv will have won the night with football and Splash. Yuck. |
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I was expecting you to have a wander round your neighbourhood and look through people's windows to see who's watching what.
Worked on Christmas Day. Far more reliable than Zeebox!!
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innocent, guilty or not, its still pretty poor taste, and it looks like Channel 5 is trying to profit from the recent headlines.
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It was hilarious. All that build up and she just plopped into the water. And they cut away to Tom as she took off!
The more positive stuff - could it be "so bad it's good"? When it seems the opposition might just be deadly dull, Splash might pick up an audience. And it does seem like they're a bit tongue in cheek with some of it. This is all just from reading on here - but I'm considerably more curious about Splash than Britain's Brightest. Same goes for the ratings - Britain's Brightest will do fine. Splash I could see being well out in front of Brightest or flopping out the gate at 3m. Quote:
I dont get that, your the head of commissioning at the BBC, you should have a mail box full of show ideas, every single day, how is it that Animal Antics is the best of that bunch.
Why is the head of commissioning, simply not giving feedback like "this is not worth the licence fee" to shows like Animal Antics I have no idea. |
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The Voice was the biggest new entertainment hit on BBC1 in a decade with an average of 9.2million viewers so it didnt 'flop' despite what some poeple might like to say. A couple of below par live show ratings maybe, but it wasnt an out and out flop.
The problem with Splash! in my mind is it took itself too seriously which is the same issue which hurt The Voice at the live stages and The X Factor. People want a laugh from reality TV, not something overly pious. I think Dancing on Ice, in general, has managed to avoid this trap - it's failing last year was more down to the increased competition in my opinion. |
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The problem with Splash! in my mind is it took itself too seriously which is the same issue which hurt The Voice at the live stages and The X Factor. People want a laugh from reality TV, not something overly pious. I think Dancing on Ice, in general, has managed to avoid this trap - it's failing last year was more down to the increased competition in my opinion.
The presence of Jo Brand on the judging panel and the inclusion of comedians like Omid Djalili would indicate that they were going for a tongue in cheek approach. I can perhaps understand what you mean with the other two judges scoring more technically but I think that was balanced out by Jo and the general tone of the show which was very light hearted. It's got a lot of flack online but I think it might surprise a lot of people - it was easy, fun, light entertainment for a Saturday night and in the face of a rather dour looking BBC1 schedule it may just pick up an audience who will come back to it. If nothing else the 'it's so good it's bad' factor should be enough to see it through. The response to it tonight both on DS and elsewhere online would suggest it did quite well tonight - it generated 46 pages of comment on the DS discussion thread tonight alone which isn't bad going. |
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Honestly? I watched Splash! tonight and I really don't think it took itself seriously at all, and certainly nothing like The Voice did.
The presence of Jo Brand on the judging panel and the inclusion of comedians like Omid Djalili would indicate that they were going for a tongue in cheek approach. I can perhaps understand what you mean with the other two judges scoring more technically but I think that was balanced out by Jo and the general tone of the show which was very light hearted. It's got a lot of flack online but I think it might surprise a lot of people - it was easy, fun, light entertainment for a Saturday night and in the face of a rather dour looking BBC1 schedule it may just pick up an audience who will come back to it. If nothing else the 'it's so good it's bad' factor should be enough to see it through. The response to it tonight both on DS and elsewhere online would suggest it did quite well tonight - it generated 46 pages of comment on the DS discussion thread tonight alone which isn't bad going. And it may have performed well tonight but will it sustain an audience next week? I suppose ITV should be thankful of a lack of real competition though come the morning I could be saying the same for BBC One. |
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A week tomorrow for Blandings.
I couldn't help but notice it has a worse slot than the 34 year old repeats of Fawlty Towers have had over on BBC2 ! Quote:
Indeed if they were trying to bury the Blandings, then I don't think they would have promoted it so much.
No trails, and a crap slot opposite an established ITV hit (well, former hit now moderate ratings banker). It's a 24 carat turd, and they are burying it. Then again, they put 3 turds in prime Saturday evening slots tonight. Perhaps BBC1 has too many turds to bury right now? ![]() Quote:
The BBC website reporting that the BBC missed out on the revival of Yes, Prime Minister because they demanded a pilot first and the writers took offence.
I think the BBC were quite within their rights to demand a pilot comsidering it's three new actors taking over roles so closely associated with three others who were all so brilliant in the parts. I have to say the trailers do nothing to make me want to watch the new Gold series and everything to make me miss it. How is it a case of "offering the BBC first refusal"? |
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I've seen zero promotion for Blandings.
No trails, and a crap slot opposite an established ITV hit (well, former hit now moderate ratings banker). ? Yes a terrible slot where Countryfile flopped last Autumn
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Even so I'm still with BBC here - they asked for a Mrs Brown's Boys pilot even though that has had a very successful stage show.
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I couldn't agree more - maybe we're oversimplifying, but surely something like The Voice and Dr Who would have been absolute gold-dust for dark and cold January/February Saturdays, rather than being held off to the warmer and busier Q2. Instead, we get served up absolute bilge like Secret service.
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its also worth pointing out that the BBC does already have a political comedy "The Thick Of It", whilst there is nothing to say the BBC can not have two, there is nothing to say it needs two.
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Likewise, the diving format has been sold to the US already. ABC is intending to air it between Dancing with the Stars series if I recall correctly, so it failing on ITV won't be too much of a nightmare.
In general though we should always remember that broadcasters will always need new formats and they'll take them from wherever they can get them. That a Dutch format or two or three hasn't worked in the past won't stop them from buying another one. It might make them enter into a more cautious deal for a new Dutch format but they'll still buy it if they like it or think people will watch it. Quote:
Honestly? I watched Splash! tonight and I really don't think it took itself seriously at all, and certainly nothing like The Voice did.
On the one hand Jo Brand is on the judging panel which suggests overt comedy but on the other hand they've hired a popular Olympic medal winner to be the face of the whole thing and the rest of the panel is made up of some pretty serious people within diving. The whole thing is just so confused which is even reflected in the choice of presenters – Vernon Kay and Gabby Logan. That's almost as weird a pairing as when they had Alan Titchmarsh and Mylene Klass presenting Popstar to Operastar a few years ago. Nobody has quite decided what the tone of the show is supposed to be so half the people involved are taking the whole thing very seriously and the other half are just having a laugh. It makes the whole thing very odd and disjointed. So maybe the problem isn't so much that it takes itself too seriously but that it just doesn't have a consistent tone so viewers aren't really sure what to make of it. |
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Splash was a very interesting piece of telly. It did seem ridiculous to me but that was what made it quite watchable. Inevitably it did have a lot of padding, which became tedius (moreso than other talent shows) at times. They ought to have had each contestant do more than one dive really. I think it will premiere reasonably well, maybe 5m average. To be honest anything above 3million would be "usable" ratings for ITV Saturdays right now.
Also was it just me or did the audio become really tinny/off tune during the james bond theme professional diving bit. |
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