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The Ratings Thread (Part 44)
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Fudd
09-01-2013
Death in Paradise recorded a brilliant figure and EastEnders is performing well. ITV1 collapsed completely but everyone knew it would...The Chase was their second highest rating show of the day and that aired at 5pm! Channel 4 took a chunk of those viewers and The Polar Bear Family and Me also picked up a very good figure, not to mention Stargazing Live - BBC Two is obviously looking to continue the good form from 2012. I'm surprised Celebrity Big Brother dipped below the 2m mark considering the easier opposition (on paper) across the 9pm hour but it's still doing a very good job for Channel 5.

Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“I'm not sure how effective a solution for ITV this would have been.

[CUT]

Taking everything into account I think ITV have probably given themselves the best weekend schedule they could for Q1.”

The problem is ITV need to find a show which will hold up ok against Call the Midwife; something like Takeaway could be given a chance though it's the 'wrong night' and Ant and Dec are presumably filming Britain's Got Talent over the next couple of months. If they could find that format (big 'if') they could place that at 8pm, with Dancing on Ice against 'easier' opposition at 7pm.

In regards to the show itself, I would copy The X Factor approach and have a 60 minute results show - a professional performance, recap of the night, a special guest singing one or two songs, the skate off and the ads should take up the time. And it should be live - if that means Philip Schofield needs another day off from This Morning either allow Eamon and Ruth to present Thursday's as well or replace him. I don't think he is the main attraction of the show.

Originally Posted by rivkin:
“if itv want to compeat on tuesdays it has to move footy onto itv 4 and only show the main stages of the quater finals and semi finals on main itv,
and have regular shows on tuesdays to build up audience as (each week) its a diffrent show line up when no footy and no wonder itv flops on tuesdays when no footy,
its always tuesdays 9pm drams that are the hits for bbc1 as its the only channel showing new drama at that time again, anything bbc 1 puts in the slot would win on tuesdays and always does no matter how good or bad it is , wish itv would sort tuesdays out!!!”

I'm not sure why they didn't switch Tuesday's and Wednesday's around when they revamped the soap schedule:

Tuesday
19.00 Emmerdale
19.30 *EastEnders filler*
20.00 eg. Midsomer Murders

Wednesday
19.00 Emmerdale
19.30 Coronation Street
20.00 *Gameshow*
21.00 *Documentary/drama*

The two hour drama's would deliver much better figures for Tuesday whereas the gameshows/documentaries would take advantage of the often weaker opposition on Wednesday.
Dancc
09-01-2013
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“I'm surprised Celebrity Big Brother dipped below the 2m mark considering the easier opposition (on paper) across the 9pm hour but it's still doing a very good job for Channel 5.”

It was on at 10pm last night. Indeed if it were me doing the scheduling I'd have had CBB and BoP the other way around. After all, BoP has little chance of doing anything other than "meh" numbers against a monster hit along the same lines like Death in Paradise, whereas CBB might have benefited (like C4) from ITV fielding slot filling material at 9pm. At 10pm it was at least a very strong 2nd with ITV1 and C4 well behind. And the audience on C5 itself was mostly unchanged from the previous night, it just mopped up far fewer viewers for the +1 showing.
F1Ken
09-01-2013
According to C4 sales BBC One had a 24% all day share yesterday. That seems even though they had a good Prime time abnormally high to me? It's usually 21-22% on Mondays and was when Last Tango was on.

Ken
NeilVW
09-01-2013
Originally Posted by F1Ken:
“According to C4 sales BBC One had a 24% all day share yesterday. That seems even though they had a good Prime time abnormally high to me? It's usually 21-22% on Mondays and was when Last Tango was on.

Ken”

Aside from the boost Death in Paradise provided, I think it helps that there was only one repeat in the BBC One schedule yesterday from 6am to 1am inclusive (Bargain Hunt).

Today, there is not a single repeat in the BBC One schedule from 6am until the Sign Zone starts at 1.50am. That must be close to a record!

For some reason they are showing the new series (s33) of Bargain Hunt on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays, interspersed with repeats from s25 on Tuesdays and Thursdays. A ploy to confuse the aged into thinking that they're all brand new, perhaps? (Sorry, mustn't be ageist)
jake lyle
09-01-2013
Originally Posted by F1Ken:
“According to C4 sales BBC One had a 24% all day share yesterday. That seems even though they had a good Prime time abnormally high to me? It's usually 21-22% on Mondays and was when Last Tango was on.

Ken”

No CBBC block + the 10.35pm documentary 'Parking Mad' got 2.7m.

Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“For some reason they are showing the new series (s33) of Bargain Hunt on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays, interspersed with repeats from s25 on Tuesdays and Thursdays.”

I don't think that is new. I think they've been doing that for years. You should ask Pizzatheaction as he is the BH expert.
They used to do the exact same to the Weakest link.
hyperstarsponge
09-01-2013
BBC1 daytime must be knocking ratings off other channels now, Breakaway for example is better then Deal Or No Deal
Andy23
09-01-2013
Everyone knows that DOI isn't as strong as it used to be, and it is on a knife edge where it could rise or drop at any given moment. Therefore it is obvious that now isn't the right time to spread it out across the whole weekend. Why can't everyone see this.
Andy23
09-01-2013
It isn't good news for Channel 4 that DOND is being beaten by Tipping Point. DOND is one of Channel 4's biggest shows and an important all year round commission, meanwhile Tipping Point is just some throwaway show that ITV happen to be showing at the moment.
Fudd
09-01-2013
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“It was on at 10pm last night. Indeed if it were me doing the scheduling I'd have had CBB and BoP the other way around. After all, BoP has little chance of doing anything other than "meh" numbers against a monster hit along the same lines like Death in Paradise, whereas CBB might have benefited (like C4) from ITV fielding slot filling material at 9pm. At 10pm it was at least a very strong 2nd with ITV1 and C4 well behind. And the audience on C5 itself was mostly unchanged from the previous night, it just mopped up far fewer viewers for the +1 showing.”

Note to self - read rating's articles properly being commenting. Can I edit my Celebrity Big Brother did very well indeed'?

It does seem a bit silly to move Celebrity Big Brother to 10pm on Tuesday night which is traditionally ITV1's weakest night; especially as it's going to be off air before the Champions League returns. It got 2.2m against 12m on BBC One and ITV1 on Monday night so it should've held up last night had it been given the 9pm slot.

Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“Aside from the boost Death in Paradise provided, I think it helps that there was only one repeat in the BBC One schedule yesterday from 6am to 1am inclusive (Bargain Hunt).

Today, there is not a single repeat in the BBC One schedule from 6am until the Sign Zone starts at 1.50am. That must be close to a record!

For some reason they are showing the new series (s33) of Bargain Hunt on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays, interspersed with repeats from s25 on Tuesdays and Thursdays. A ploy to confuse the aged into thinking that they're all brand new, perhaps? (Sorry, mustn't be ageist)”

Didn't they used to do the same with The Weakest Link and, I believe, Pointless now? I think the idea is to keep people watching in case they miss a new episode.
NeilVW
09-01-2013
Originally Posted by jake lyle:
“No CBBC block + the 10.35pm documentary 'Parking Mad' got 2.7m.”

Yes, the lack of the CBBC block is certainly heping BBC One's share, and that's a great rating after the news for a show which puts me in mind of Ray Brown from The Clampers in the late 90s. Also, regarding my point about the channel having no repeats today, the CBBC block was almost all repeats. Now they're gone, we can hope for an 'all-new' schedule more often. To be fair, ITV1 is pretty fresh too today, with just a couple of repeats after the late news, before the gambling takes over.

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“I don't think that is new. I think they've been doing that for years. You should ask Pizzatheaction as he is the BH expert.
They used to do the exact same to the Weakest link.”

I'll wait for his expert opinion on Bargain Hunt scheduling!

It's kinda sneaky. I must check whether there was any difference in the ratings between Monday's new edition and Tuesday's old one.
Fudd
09-01-2013
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“Everyone knows that DOI isn't as strong as it used to be, and it is on a knife edge where it could rise or drop at any given moment. Therefore it is obvious that now isn't the right time to spread it out across the whole weekend. Why can't everyone see this.”

So airing the performance show at 6.15pm (presumably it'll move even earlier when the number of contestants per show increases) and then shoving the results against the biggest new drama of 2012 is looking after it???

Originally Posted by Andy23:
“It isn't good news for Channel 4 that DOND is being beaten by Tipping Point. DOND is one of Channel 4's biggest shows and an important all year round commission, meanwhile Tipping Point is just some throwaway show that ITV happen to be showing at the moment.”

I think ITV1 scheduled it there to try and give The Chase a healthier lead in at 5pm so it could fight off Pointless, which gained a better lead in from Flog It than CBBC.
dullagj2
09-01-2013
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Death In Paradise was one of my favourite new dramas in 2011, glad it got a second series and did well. I think EE will hold up fairly well compared to some other outings against Emmerdale as it just has enough momentum carrying on from Christmas. Still work to be done but I'm liking EE much more than I did last year where I just gave up on it. Could Corrie/EE hit 10m on Monday 21st?”

I don't think EE will hit 10m but it should be its highest rating since NYD. Corrie could be near 11m.

I'm mad I missed the 1st series of DIP now but maybe they'll repeat it if this series continues to perform as well.

TV3 also debuted their 1st drama on Monday but I haven't had a chance to watch it yet. Interesting to note that they're not showing DOI this year but are showing Selfridge.
NeilVW
09-01-2013
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“I'll wait for his expert opinion on Bargain Hunt scheduling!

It's kinda sneaky. I must check whether there was any difference in the ratings between Monday's new edition and Tuesday's old one.”

Well, blow me down, it's sneaky but apparently it works:

Mon 7 Jan 2013, 12:15 - Bargain Hunt (new): 2.13m (28.0%)
Tues 8 Jan 2013, 12:15 - Bargain Hunt (rpt): 2.17m (33.1%)

Both easily beat This Morning / Loose Women which had 15-16% during Bargain Hunt's slot.
F1Ken
09-01-2013
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“Well, blow me down, it's sneaky but apparently it works:

Mon 7 Jan 2013, 12:15 - Bargain Hunt (new): 2.13m (28.0%)
Tues 8 Jan 2013, 12:15 - Bargain Hunt (rpt): 2.17m (33.1%)

Both easily beat This Morning / Loose Women which had 15-16% during Bargain Hunt's slot.”

You just cant get enough of Tim Wonnacott. "Join us soon for some more bargain hunting yes! YES!"

Best daytime catchphrase in the world second only to "LETS GO BARGAIN HUNTING!!! "



Ken
NeilVW
09-01-2013
A quick correction: Homes Under the Hammer was also a repeat yesterday, but today's is new (it also uses this interspersal scheduling pattern).
D.M.N.
09-01-2013
Heh, advert just now... "Join in with the show everyone's talking about! Splash! Saturday at 7, on ITV1".
Salv*
09-01-2013
CBB was knocked down to 2m because it was on at 10pm. The share was impressive. Tonight we should see the highest since launch, I reckon 2.4m.

Africa will do well, I suspect it will actually grow from last week because it peaked at over 7m towards the end last week, I predict 6.7m.
Pizzatheaction
09-01-2013
Originally Posted by jake lyle:
“I don't think that is new. I think they've been doing that for years. You should ask Pizzatheaction as he is the BH expert.
They used to do the exact same to the Weakest link.”

Yes, they have. Up until a couple of years ago, they'd split each new series up by showing a couple of weeks of new editions followed by a couple of weeks of repeats. However, now when new editions are on air, there are three new ones and two old ones per week.

Initially, it was quite confusing to keep track of which days had the new editions because they varied each week, but now they have the new ones on Mon/Wed/Fri and the repeats on Tue/Thu.

The reason they're repeating series 25 now is because they only had 64 new editions in 2012, rather than the usual 96, and as they've already shown series 26-29 three times, they need to go back to series 25 to find episodes which have only been shown twice. Series 30 has recently been repeated, and Series 31 and 32 were quite recent, so haven't been repeated on BBC One yet, but they have been repeated on BBC HD.

It looks as though every edition will now get three BBC One screenings, rather than the previous situation where only some of the editions got three BBC One screenings.



Homes Under the Hammer gets the Mon/Wed/Fri and Tue/Thu split too now, but currently the new editions and the repeats are all from the same series. Series 16, I think.
iaindb
09-01-2013
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Heh, advert just now... "Join in with the show everyone's talking about! Splash! Saturday at 7, on ITV1".”

Should have done one of those trailers that feature lots of quotes from the press reviews.
Chris1964
09-01-2013
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“Everyone knows that DOI isn't as strong as it used to be, and it is on a knife edge where it could rise or drop at any given moment. Therefore it is obvious that now isn't the right time to spread it out across the whole weekend. Why can't everyone see this.”

Personally I was surprised at the lacklustre launch rating for DOI and Im with you on this, I dont think its strong enough to be spread over the weekend. I cant see people sitting through a 60 minute result show when the half hour ones arent exactly buzzing. Half the problem is that who gets slung off the show is not really much in the way of news these days.
hyperstarsponge
09-01-2013
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Heh, advert just now... "Join in with the show everyone's talking about! Splash! Saturday at 7, on ITV1".”

*Channel change by many people as soon that advert comes on*
Pizzatheaction
09-01-2013
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Didn't they used to do the same with The Weakest Link and, I believe, Pointless now? I think the idea is to keep people watching in case they miss a new episode.”

Yes, to Weakest Link, but they generally repeat Pointless in batches of a few weeks. I think they've only shown one (possibly two) Pointless repeats since the end of August, though, when the most recent series ended in December.
Chris1964
09-01-2013
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Heh, advert just now... "Join in with the show everyone's talking about! Splash! Saturday at 7, on ITV1".”

Lol. The only reaction Iv had from people over Splash! is accompanied by a snigger. Although this may not be all that bad for it, I get the impression people may watch to see it in all its awkward glory-certainly against something competent but bland on BBC1.
iaindb
09-01-2013
Originally Posted by dullagj2:
“I don't think EE will hit 10m but it should be its highest rating since NYD. Corrie could be near 11m.

I'm mad I missed the 1st series of DIP now but maybe they'll repeat it if this series continues to perform as well.
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DIP is an independent production so I expect they'll sell the series to be repeated on a digital channel. One of the co-producers is Kudos who made Hustle and Spooks which is shown on Sony TV (Sky ch 157). Indeed, both are repeated tonight; Hustle at 8pm and Spooks at 9.05pm.

Delighted by DIP's figures last night. I had it down for an overnight in the 5m range and 6.84m would have been a great consolidated figure. But to get that as an overnight....brilliant.
Dancc
09-01-2013
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Heh, advert just now... "Join in with the show everyone's talking about! Splash! Saturday at 7, on ITV1".”

Fair play. They are playing the so bad it's good card. Might work. If nothing else it's more honest than Splash! Unmissable entertainment this Saturday.

But I still think the many problems with this show as a 90 minute format will be exposed over the coming weeks, least not the fact that the viewer is getting very little in return for the amount of time they are investing. It's laughable to put it in the same category as others have done with more sophisticated formats like Strictly and Dancing on Ice where the viewer at home has a lengthy routine to appreciate and judge as opposed to a feeble attempt at a very basic dive. It just doesn't work in the same way.
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