[wizzywick]

Originally Posted by Brekkie

I guess no word yet on how the BBC are going to ensure they don't have to pay for next years contest.

And randomly changing point but why on earth are they airing the Comic Relief Bake Off this week when the event itself isn't until mid-March.

Dame Vera Lynn?

[iaindb]

Originally Posted by Brekkie

And randomly changing point but why on earth are they airing the Comic Relief Bake Off this week when the event itself isn't until mid-March.

Maybe BBC2 wants to group all its stripped programmes next to each other - Stargazing Live, Winterwatch, Bake-Off. And then from next week we'll get different programmes on different days of the week.

[ronant]

If anyone can answer this I'd be very impressed. Before yesterday, when was the last time BBC1 averaged over 4 million between 5.15 and 6 on a normal weekday?

Did Weakest Link ever do it? From memory Weakest Link was already pretty much on its way out when it transferred channels and had no uplift at all, so I'm guessing not.

Neighbours used to get 3-4 million if memory serves right, but for the whole 45 minutes to average over 4m we'd probably have to go back to the nineties??!

BBC1 yesterday had a 24.2% share - v impressive.

[Hassaan13]

Originally Posted by NeilVW

CBBC is never tape-checked on an overnight basis as far as I'm aware. The double episode of TDG on 4 Jan was billed as running from 16:30 to 17:30, and the audience in this period was 576k (4.1%).

After 7 days BARB have had time to collect exact timings from the broadcasters, and so we now know it ran from 16:33:25 to 17:26:40. Tape-checking to the nearest minute gives you 16:33 to 17:27. For Live + VOSDAL we only have data in 5-minute blocks, so the figure used is the audience between 16:35 and 17:25, which was 593k/4.35%.

The consolidated figure of 625k/4.3% includes not only recordings viewed on days 2-8 but also an adjustment so that the figures are aligned with timings correct to the nearest minute (16:33 - 17:27). Looking at the breakdown, it won't have been a large adjustment on this occasion.

EDIT: Further analysis suggests the adjustment just mentioned deducted 3k:

576k (4.10%) - Live + VOSDAL (full slot)
593k (4.23%) - Live + VOSDAL (tape-checked to nearest 5 mins)
628k (4.35%) - Consolidated (tape-checked to nearest 5 mins)
625k (4.33%) - Consolidated (tape-checked to nearest 1 min)

This question has been bugging me a bit but I may as well ask. Are iPlayer viewings accounted for in the official rating? I ask that because the show does seem to be in the top 5/10 on iPlayer every week.

[D.M.N.]

Originally Posted by ronant

If anyone can answer this I'd be very impressed. Before yesterday, when was the last time BBC1 averaged over 4 million between 5.15 and 6 on a normal weekday?

Pointless had 4.40m (24.8%) on Friday 23rd December 2011. Being so close to Christmas, whether that was a normal day is open to interpretation. Apart from that, you have a mix of Euro and World Cup games, possibly Wimbledon.

Neighbours had 4.01m (24.1%) officially on Thursday 19th January 2006 at 17:35.

For nostalgic purposes, the opposition that day was

Spoiler

BBC One		NEIGHBOURS				17:36:56	4,011.2	24.11%
BBC Two		THE WEAKEST LINK			17:15:44	3,083.8	20.02%
ITV		RICHARD HAMMOND'S 5 O'CLOCK SHOW	16:59:28	1,337.4	9.40%
Channel 4	RICHARD AND JUDY			17:00:35	2,489.7	17.44%
Channel 5	FIVE NEWS FOLLOWED BY WEATHER		17:29:40	605.6	3.82%

How times have changed!

[JCR]

Originally Posted by wizzywick

Dame Vera Lynn?

They could get Napalm Death, but some of the metal friendly countries in northern europe might vote for them.

[Chris1964]

I have given up on Splash but judging by some of the comments on its thread its turned into a perving competition-has it found its level or am I being unfair? And is this a plus or a minus for ratings?

[ronant]

Originally Posted by D.M.N.

Pointless had 4.40m (24.8%) on Friday 23rd December 2011. Being so close to Christmas, whether that was a normal day is open to interpretation. Apart from that, you have a mix of Euro and World Cup games, possibly Wimbledon.

Neighbours had 4.01m (24.1%) officially on Thursday 19th January 2006 at 17:35.

For nostalgic purposes, the opposition that day was

Spoiler

BBC One		NEIGHBOURS				17:36:56	4,011.2	24.11%
BBC Two		THE WEAKEST LINK			17:15:44	3,083.8	20.02%
ITV		RICHARD HAMMOND'S 5 O'CLOCK SHOW	16:59:28	1,337.4	9.40%
Channel 4	RICHARD AND JUDY			17:00:35	2,489.7	17.44%
Channel 5	FIVE NEWS FOLLOWED BY WEATHER		17:29:40	605.6	3.82%

How times have changed!

Ah ok thanks DMN. I guess 23rd December is as normal, if not more so than a snow day so I guess we don't actually have to go back that far! Although was that consolidated?

Channel 4 could do with Richard and Judy back!

[D.M.N.]

Originally Posted by ronant

Ah ok thanks DMN. I guess 23rd December is as normal, if not more so than a snow day so I guess we don't actually have to go back that far! Although was that consolidated?

Channel 4 could do with Richard and Judy back!

Yeah, consolidated - overnight was 4.36m (25.0%).

[Fudd]

Originally Posted by Chris1964

I have given up on Splash but judging by some of the comments on its thread its turned into a perving competition-has it found its level or am I being unfair? And is this a plus or a minus for ratings?

If you go by the show threads then Emmerdale has turned into a perving competition as well. I don't think it was any different to the past two weeks except it had another young guy in speedos in it (other than Tom Daley) which my explain the additional perving on the thread.

Oh and Linda Barker nearly lost her bikini bottoms in the pool.

[NeilVW]

Originally Posted by Hassaan13

This question has been bugging me a bit but I may as well ask. Are iPlayer viewings accounted for in the official rating? I ask that because the show does seem to be in the top 5/10 on iPlayer every week.

Only iPlayer viewings via the TV set using a set-top box are counted. (I believe these account for about 20% of iPlayer use.) Viewings on computer are not counted (yet).

[D.M.N.]

Forgot to note this rating from the early hours of Friday:

Discovery Channel (inc +1)
02:00 - Oprah Winfrey and Lance Armstrong: A Worldwide Exclusive: 121k (7.5%)
* peak: 171k (10.1%) at 02:25
* includes those that watched before 02:00 on Saturday morning
* excluding adverts/low 5-minute portions: 143k (8.7%)

[Joe40]

BBC2's 10.30pm film will be on on Sunday at this rate, old school (slow) snooker on at the moment, with Mark Selby and Graeme Dott seemingly in no rush.

[AlexiR]

Originally Posted by Dancc

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showt...e#post63682021

Thanks for that.

Originally Posted by Dancc

I disagree with his dismissive stance of BBC2 as well. There's nothing wrong with the schedule they are putting out tonight at all. A much loved classic comedy that still rates superbly well. Live sport to anchor the evening. And a very highly rated film in Doubt. Nothing wrong with that whatsoever. But it didn't fit with the theme of his column to acknowledge this.

Not exactly exciting Saturday night television though.

Undoubtedly there's an audience for the BBC2 schedule and I don't think there's anything wrong with it beyond the fact that its a very particular audience. Floating viewers looking for a fun distraction on Saturday night aren't likely to see much appeal in Dad's Army repeats or snooker. But by the same token they aren't really supposed to because that's not who the BBC2 schedule is aimed at.

Originally Posted by Hassaan13

All this business about shows 'celebifying themselves' and killing it, there are some shows which it would work for. Aside from Family Fortunes and Splash, The Chase wouldn't have any of the humour and positive atmosphere it has for the primetime specials if there were regular people playing. I do hope they show regular episodes of The Cube soon.

Occasional celebrity specials are fine if however The Chase just because The Celebrity Chase every weekday it would be another matter. All things in moderation and all that. I think the same is true for Family Fortunes. A handful of celebrity specials throughout the year is really enough and would probably allow them to book better guests as well. They can supplement that with just regular Family Fortunes. If nothing else I would like to see them try just a normal series of Family Fortunes again to see how it goes.

Originally Posted by James J

Why would the BBC slash the episode runs of these shows so dramatically when they would struggle to find enough new stuff to replace it that would do as well in the ratings?

Because the beauty of the BBC is that they don't have to be so obsessed with ratings. In theory that should allow them the option to be more adventurous and creative than a commercial broadcaster who would understandably keep churning out episodes of Holby City and Casualty as nice little profit centres.

They'd either have to inject an unreasonably high amount of money into it, or produce cheap shows that don't perform as well.

This is a much more reasonable objection at least in regards to Holby City (and Waterloo Road). The money saved from reducing the episode order of those shows isn't going to be enough to invest in new pre-watershed drama although maybe with a little extra investment they might get some pre-watershed comedy. And certainly they'd be able to try some entertainment formats during the week as well.

Casualty on the other hand desperately needs an episode reduction. It airs far too many episodes over the course of the year and can make scheduling Saturday nights difficult. Equally there's quite a bit that the BBC could do with that later Saturday night slot that wouldn't cost a huge amount of money if they didn't have to work around Casualty too many weeks of the year.

Originally Posted by Georged123

Was it better than Prometheus?

It can't possibly have been worse.

[Brekkie]

Originally Posted by Hassaan13

All this business about shows 'celebifying themselves' and killing it, there are some shows which it would work for. Aside from Family Fortunes and Splash, The Chase wouldn't have any of the humour and positive atmosphere it has for the primetime specials if there were regular people playing. I do hope they show regular episodes of The Cube soon.

IMO most shows work better without celebrities, especially when life changing money is up for grabs.

Obviously Splash isn't one of those shows but I do wish they'd show some respect for diving by actually booking people who might be able to take to it and having some kind of quality threshold rather than just taking anyone they can get and believing people leaning forward and falling into the water is good enough for Saturday night entertainment. If you look at the US version of the rival show that aired a couple of weeks ago their celebs ended up being pretty decent amatuers while only a couple of hours have gone that little bit beyond beginner status.

[Brekkie]

Originally Posted by AlexiR

Because the beauty of the BBC is that they don't have to be so obsessed with ratings. In theory that should allow them the option to be more adventurous and creative than a commercial broadcaster who would understandably keep churning out episodes of Holby City and Casualty as nice little profit centres.

This is a much more reasonable objection at least in regards to Holby City (and Waterloo Road). The money saved from reducing the episode order of those shows isn't going to be enough to invest in new pre-watershed drama although maybe with a little extra investment they might get some pre-watershed comedy. And certainly they'd be able to try some entertainment formats during the week as well.

Casualty on the other hand desperately needs an episode reduction. It airs far too many episodes over the course of the year and can make scheduling Saturday nights difficult. Equally there's quite a bit that the BBC could do with that later Saturday night slot that wouldn't cost a huge amount of money if they didn't have to work around Casualty too many weeks of the year.

Personally I would move Casualty back to Fridays, moving the EastEnders episode to Thursday at 8.30pm to make way for it. The 8pm EE filler could then largely be comedy (well, it would need to be to counter two episodes of EastEnders on the same night!)

Saturday nights can more than cope without it - for a start the BBC can stop recording results shows and instead play them out live after 9pm on Saturdays, while on weeks without Strictly or similar the BBC generally only need to find 30 minutes of additional programming to replace 50 minutes of Casualty by simply making a few tweaks here and there - or even less if they started MOTD at 10pm.

[AlexiR]

Originally Posted by Brekkie

Personally I would move Casualty back to Fridays, moving the EastEnders episode to Thursday at 8.30pm to make way for it. The 8pm EE filler could then largely be comedy (well, it would need to be to counter two episodes of EastEnders on the same night!)

Personally I'd be tempted to run EastEnders Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday rather than doubling up on Thursday. In fact I'd be tempted to do that regardless of moving Casualty to Friday nights.

[johnnymc]

Casualty should go to friday if we must bear it at all and take eastenders back to three eps a week. There is reason to axe Casualty now its not worth the money spent on it.

[Charnham]

cant help but feel that messing around with the schedule for Casualty and EE, will do neither show any favours, look at what happened to EE ratings on BBC 3 when it was moved 30 minutes.

Meanwhile unless you have something to fill that Saturday night slot, Casualty occupys nearly all year, whats the point?

[NeilVW]

Friday 18th January 2013 - More Ratings
Channel 4
Repeats not indicated
exc / inc +1
06:05 - Sali Mali: 25k (1.5%) / 25k (1.5%)
06:10 - The Hoobs: 14k (06%) / 14k (0.6%)
06:35 - The Hoobs: 9k (0.3%) / 9k (0.3%)
07:05 - Will and Grace: 61k (1.3%) / 78k (1.6%)
07:30 - According to Jim: 178k (2.8%) / 189k (3.0%)
07:55 - Everybody Loves Raymond: 225k (3.1%) / 283k (3.9%)
08:25 - Everybody Loves Raymond: 225k (3.2%) / 271.5k (3.85%)
08:55 - Frasier: 250k (3.7%) / 337k (5.0%)
09:30 - Frasier: 151k (2.2%) / 259k (3.8%)
10:00 - Undercover Boss: 200k (2.75%) / 252k (3.5%)
11:00 - A Place in the Sun: 256k (3.4%) / 281k (3.7%)
12:00 - Channel 4 News: 233k (3.0%) / 282.5k (3.6%)
12:05 - Jamie's 15-Minute Meals: 241k (2.9%) / 313k (3.7%)
12:35 - River Cottage Veg Heroes: 211k (2.1%) / 294m (3.0%)
13:05-14:40 - FILM: The Gunfighter (1950): 285k (2.5%) / 338k (3.0%)

Channel 5
Repeats not indicated
exc +1 unless indicated
06:00 - Milkshake: 200.5k (3.85%)
* peak audience and share: 380k (5.6%) at 07:50 during Noddy in Toyland
09:15 - The Wright Stuff: 350k (5.2%)
11:10 - All New Trisha: 151k (2.0%)
12:00 - Looney Tunes: 114k (1.4%)
12:10 - 5 News: 104k (1.3%)
12:15 - Celebrity Big Brother: 160k (1.65%)
13:15 - Home and Away: 281.5k (2.4%)
13:45 - Neighbours: 833k (7.25%)
14:15 - CSI: Miami: 326k (2.9%)
15:10 - FILM: The Boy She Met Online: 753k (5.6%)
17:00 - 5 News: 852.5k (4.9%)
17:30 - Neighbours: 1.11m (5.5%)
18:00 - Home and Away: 835k (3.7%)
18:30 - 5 News: 243k (1.0%)
19:00 - Revealed: The Great Falklands Gamble: 664k (2.6%)
20:00 - Ice Road Truckers: 1.34m (5.1%)
21:00 - Celebrity Big Brother: 2.40m (9.2%) / 2.56m (inc +1)
* peak: 2.69m (10.3%) / 2.88m (11.1%) inc +1 at 21:30
22:00 - American Idol: 696k (3.5%)
22:55 - Celebrity Big Brother's Bit on the Side: 539k (4.5%)
24:00 - Supercasino (to 26:00): 69k (1.45%)

Multichannel - Selected Ratings
Repeats not indicated

Sky 1
exc +1
19:00 - The Simpsons: 577k (2.4%)
...
21:00 - Stella: 576k (2.2%)

BBC Three
22:30 - Eastenders: 399k (2.25%)
23:00 - Sun, Sex and Suspicious Parents: 483k (4.1%)

BBC Four
21:00 - Glen Campbell: The Rhinestone Cowboy: 781k (3.0%)
22:00 - AN Evening with Glen Campbell: 477k (2.6%)

E4
exc/inc +1
19:00 - Hollyoaks: 872k (3.6%) / 973k (4.0%)
19:30 - How I Met Your Mother: 268k (1.0%) / 389k (1.5%)
20:00 - The Big Bang Theory: 446k (1.7%) / 774k (3.0%)

ITV2
exc/inc +1
15:05 - The Jeremy Kyle Show: 561k (4.6%) / 738k (6.0%)

5USA
exc/inc +1
20:00 - CSI: 328k (1.3%) / 352k (1.35%)
21:00 - FILM: Dirty Harry (1971): 346k (1.55%) / 363k (1.6%)

[NeilVW]

Friday 18th January 2013

All-day shares
BBC One - 24.2%
BBC Two - 5.1%
ITV - 17.4% (inc +1: 18.2%)
Channel 4 - 4.6% (inc +1: 5.4%)
Channel 5 - 4.3% (inc +1: 4.6%)
Others - 44.4% (exc +1s on ITV/C4/C5: 42.5%)

Primetime shares (19:00-23:00)
BBC One - 23.4%
BBC Two - 5.5%
ITV - 19.8% (inc +1: 20.4%)
Channel 4 - 4.8% (inc +1: 5.7%)
Channel 5 - 5.2% (inc +1: 5.6%)
Others - 41.3% (exc +1s on ITV/C4/C5: 39.4%)

[Charnham]

looking at those C4 Breakfast numbers, it goes to show why ITV has a show like Daybreak, even if its not done any better than the show it replaced.

Will and Grace share does not look too good in that slot.

[Jonwo]

Originally Posted by iaindb

That's an idea. Maybe ITV should try adapting a few hit US dramas or comedies. They had big success when the adapted Who's Te Boss into The Upper Hand, although all subsequent adaptions bombed.

Maybe a British version of Two And A Half Men with Steve Coogan, Alan Davies and Outnumbered's Daniel Roche as the half.

Two and a Half Men is too well known to be remade, I've alway thought the Australian TV series Packed to the Rafters could be remade, comedy wise, there aren't that many recent sitcoms that could be adapted, maybe a British version of The Nanny with Sheridan Smith as Fran.

[D.M.N.]

Saturday 19th January 2013
BBC One
17:30 - Animal Antics: 2.71m (12.9%)
18:00 - Richard Hammond's Secret Service: 2.14m (9.5%)
18:45 - Britain's Brightest: 4.59m (19.3%)
* peak: 5.62m (23.1%) at 19:50
20:00 - Lottery: In It to Win It: 5.43m (22.3%)
* peak: 6.14m (24.9%) at 20:35
20:50 - Casualty: 5.24m (21.3%)
21:40 - Mrs Brown's Boys: 4.18m (18.3%)
22:10 - BBC News: 4.40m (20.3%)
22:30 - Match of the Day: 3.78m (23.3%)

BBC Two
17:30 - Winterwatch 1963 - The Big Freeze: 3.00m (13.9%)
18:30 - Dad's Army: 2.61m (11.3%)
19:00 to 24:30 - Snooker: 1.30m (6.5%)

ITV
18:00 - You've Been Framed!: 4.28m (18.9%)
* peak: 5.55m (23.6%) at 18:50 exc +1
* peak: 5.80m (24.6%) at 18:50 inc +1
19:00 - Splash!: 5.18m (21.5%)
* peak: 6.06m (25.1%) at 20:00 exc +1
* peak: 6.27m (26.0%) at 20:00 inc +1
20:30 - Take Me Out: 4.44m (18.2%)
* peak: 4.95m (20.3%) at 20:55 exc +1
* peak: 5.17m (21.2%) at 20:55 inc +1
21:45 - The Jonathan Ross Show: 2.82m (12.9%)

Channel 4
19:15 - FILM: The Simpsons Movie: 1.25m (5.2%)
21:00 - World Without End: 1.16m (4.8%)

Channel 5
21:45 - Celebrity Big Brother: 1.57m (7.2%)

[D.M.N.]

No boost it has to be said last night across the board, aside from a superb rating for Winterwatch 1963 at 17:30.