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The Ratings Thread (Part 44)
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Jules 1
20-01-2013
Imagine what ratings the Voice and Doctor Who would be getting now.

I do think that Pointless would provide a much better lead in for Britain's brightest. (probably least controversial comment on here ever. )
Hassaan13
20-01-2013
Originally Posted by Jules 1:
“Imagine what ratings the Voice and Doctor Who would be getting now.

I do think that Pointless would provide a much better lead in for Britain's brightest. (probably least controversial comment on here ever. )”

Yes, but they can't overkill it. They did celebrity editions five/six times a week in December.

Would like to see a primetime edition of The Chase featuring the most successful contestants - those who got over 10k in the cash builder for instance, celebrity or non celebrity.
Drifter
20-01-2013
Originally Posted by Jules 1:
“Imagine what ratings the Voice and Doctor Who would be getting now.

I do think that Pointless would provide a much better lead in for Britain's brightest. (probably least controversial comment on here ever. )”

Can't believe they didn't put at least one of those shows on now. Does anyone actually have an answer to this? I imagine with The Voice they might have thought it was talent show overload if it followed directly from X Factor (and to a lesser extent Strictly), but it still would have done better I'm assuming. With Doctor Who I'm at a loss.

Edit: Unless the availability of judges meant they had to stick it on later? This seems plausible.
cylon6
20-01-2013
Originally Posted by Stephen_Simpson:
“Mark Linsey is the controller of entertainment and I'm not really sure what he has commissioned under his run that he would be best known for. I guess The Voice would be one.

I think a change in The Entertainment Commissioner would be needed, as some of the stuff commissioned in recent years haven't been good, ratings and critically.”

I'm trying to think of any shows he's commissioned that have been big successes. The Voice was more Danny Cohen looking at and going after it. Linsey couldn't even name the winner at the Edinburgh TV Festival. They're useless at finding big weekend hits and still rely on Strictly.
johnnymc
20-01-2013
This is a real low point in the corporations entertainment history
Strictly is ten years old and there is nothing else basically that mark linsey has come up with
Britians brighest? What a joke as are the other two shows. What commisoner in their right mind says yeah think that's a great show for saturdays. Its not rocket science its about finding a half decent writer to put a comedy sketch show together or going to the theatre or festivals and trying a new entertainment act. Whats so bloody hard about putting something actually good together? Is that too difficult on whatever thousands he is paid?
Brekkie
20-01-2013
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“looking at those C4 Breakfast numbers, it goes to show why ITV has a show like Daybreak, even if its not done any better than the show it replaced.

Will and Grace share does not look too good in that slot.”

Even though it was over a decade ago I think at it's lowest The Big Breakfast was doing double that, and probably RI:SE too. I'm sure in both cases they were probably more attractive to advertisers too - though of course much more costly.

C4 need to make some bold moves at the moment though and the time has never really been better to re-enter the breakfast game.

Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“are BBC1 playing a canny game with Splash?

make it a moderate default viewing success, then when ITV give it a ten part run next year, 90 mins plus 30 mins dive off, slaughter it with something decent?

”

LOL. Although it's ratings look solid for this series and it's certain for a recommission I just can't see it doing anything other than falling for a second run.
cylon6
20-01-2013
Originally Posted by johnnymc:
“This is a real low point in the corporations entertainment history
Strictly is ten years old and there is nothing else basically that mark linsey has come up with
Britians brighest? What a joke as are the other two shows. What commisoner in their right mind says yeah think that's a great show for saturdays. Its not rocket science its about finding a half decent writer to put a comedy sketch show together or going to the theatre or festivals and trying a new entertainment act. Whats so bloody hard about putting something actually good together? Is that too difficult on whatever thousands he is paid?”

BBC's Light Entertainment Department needs some new blood. Their strike rate for Saturday night's is terrible.
Chris1964
20-01-2013
Originally Posted by johnnymc:
“This is a real low point in the corporations entertainment history
Strictly is ten years old and there is nothing else basically that mark linsey has come up with
Britians brighest? What a joke as are the other two shows. What commisoner in their right mind says yeah think that's a great show for saturdays. Its not rocket science its about finding a half decent writer to put a comedy sketch show together or going to the theatre or festivals and trying a new entertainment act. Whats so bloody hard about putting something actually good together? Is that too difficult on whatever thousands he is paid?”

I think this quarter has been neglected by BBC and ITV since DOI was moved and the fact that IITWI has regularly topped these weeks says it all. Nothing against it, its a gentle quiz with a decent payoff but its not all that more than default viewing imo. Casualty has just grown tired and the public have sent a message that if its a question of old hat Youve Been Framed against new old hat AA and SS then they will go for the old dependable. The Beeb should have ordered at least four more celeb Pointless in hindsight.

LE should be made a priority, but I think the problem is that tv has lost the art of how to make it apart from talent shows- and most of the acts are comedians whose content would not be appropriate at 6.00 and who would not want to be part of it anyway. Only Ant and Dec seem to fall into that category.
Hassaan13
20-01-2013
CBeebies had a pretty high 145k (4.5%) in the 7am hour. 287k (4.9%) for Mike the Knight at 08:15.

Justin's House at 11:00 had 466k (4.5%), and Mister Maker followed it with 524k (5.1%). CBeebies doing really well in daytime.
C14E
20-01-2013
Originally Posted by johnnymc:
“Great ratings? 5 million? Tom laughing his way to the bank then.

Why is britian so bad making saturday night tv plus these producers amd heads of departments get alot of money to do their job every year. The BBC need to show us how they spend that money we provide them.”

It's £210,000 a year to be Controller of Entertainment at BBC1 if you think you can do a better job! Bedell at ITV on even more no doubt considering she has comedy in her remit (and XF and BGT) and came into the job having done the equivalent role at BBC1.

In fairness, Britain is pretty good at making Saturday night TV compared to 99% of countries. Many of our formats are huge worldwide although Splash and Brightest are both imports.

It's just really, really difficult! Maybe Linsey and Bedell are making bad decisions. But they can also only work with what comes to them from indies and in-house teams. I'm sure they have to commission shows they don't believe in just because they're the best of a bad bunch at a given budget.
Agent F
20-01-2013
Splash! seems to have defied the critics who were convinced it would collapse, it's been fairly stable since Week 1. According to Twitter's @TVRatingsUK, Take Me Out and Splash! were the two top rated shows among 16-34s last night so another plus point for ITV, they'll be happy with that I imagine.
RobbieSykes123
20-01-2013
I often think BBC1 is weak st this time of year because of The Six Nations and the way it interrupts the Saturday evening schedules. They don't want to commit to anything big and important until the rugby is out of the way.

Silly really, but I think that's the reason. I just don't get why with the breaks DW has had they haven't been able to align that to a January run picking up directly from the Christmas episode lead in.
NeilVW
20-01-2013
Saturday 19th January 2013
All-day shares
Spoiler
BBC One - 19.5%
BBC Two - 6.2%
ITV - 11.0% (inc +1: 11.8%)
Channel 4 - 4.4% (inc +1: 5.3%)
Channel 5 - 4.5% (inc +1: 4.8%)
Others - 54.4% (exc +1s on ITV/C4/C5: 52.4%)

Primetime shares (DS definition, 19:00-23:00)
Spoiler
BBC One - 21.0%
BBC Two - 6.0%
ITV - 17.75% (inc +1: 18.6%)
Channel 4 - 4.6% (inc +1: 5.5%)
Channel 5 - 5.2% (inc +1: 5.5%)
Others - 45.45% (exc +1s on ITV/C4/C5: 43.4%)

Primetime shares (ITV definition, 19:00-22:30)
Spoiler
BBC One - 20.9%
BBC Two - 5.9%
ITV - 18.5% (inc +1: 19.3%)
Channel 4 - 4.7% (inc +1: 5.5%)
Channel 5 - 5.1% (inc +1: 5.4%)
Others - 44.9% (exc +1s on ITV/C4/C5: 43.0%)

Primetime shares (BBC definition, 18:00-22:30)
Spoiler
BBC One - 18.75%
BBC Two - 7.5%
ITV - 18.6% (inc +1: 19.45%)
Channel 4 - 5.0% (inc +1: 5.8%)
Channel 5 - 5.3% (inc +1: 5.6%)
Others - 44.85% (exc +1s on ITV/C4/C5: 42.9%)
welshfoxy
20-01-2013
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“Oh dear, someone's taken offence at the Guardian's dismissive attitude to Channel 5.

Operation Daybreak and an NCIS double-bill not exactly the most inviting of Saturday night line-ups.”

Was this a depiction of the woes surrounding ITV's premier breakfast show? Did it rate better than its subject?
Dancc
20-01-2013
Worth mentioning a couple of strong ratings for Channel 5's afternoon films yesterday:

3.30pm: Operation Crossbow: 1.27m (7.4%)
2nd most watched programme in timeslot after BBC1
5.45pm: Operation Daybreak: 1.38m (6.0%)
beat Channel 4 (just)

The NCIS reruns afterwards scored 986k and 1.16m.
NeilVW
20-01-2013
Originally Posted by welshfoxy:
“Was this a depiction of the woes surrounding ITV's premier breakfast show? Did it rate better than its subject?”

1.3m for Operation Daybreak. (Also known as Mission Impossible?) Much higher-viewing slot of course though.
welshfoxy
20-01-2013
Originally Posted by C14E:
“It's £210,000 a year to be Controller of Entertainment at BBC1 if you think you can do a better job! Bedell at ITV on even more no doubt considering she has comedy in her remit (and XF and BGT) and came into the job having done the equivalent role at BBC1.

In fairness, Britain is pretty good at making Saturday night TV compared to 99% of countries. Many of our formats are huge worldwide although Splash and Brightest are both imports.

It's just really, really difficult! Maybe Linsey and Bedell are making bad decisions. But they can also only work with what comes to them from indies and in-house teams. I'm sure they have to commission shows they don't believe in just because they're the best of a bad bunch at a given budget.”

Imagine Bedell not being able to recall the winner of X Factor or BGT, though. Hilarious. Maybe he was watching Syco shows more than his own? That certainly seems to be the driver behind The Voice....beat Syco at any cost
RobbieSykes123
20-01-2013
The Mail's gonna have a field day with this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-21108337
Stephen_Simpson
20-01-2013
- I'd love to see Channel 4 compete in the breakfast/morning slot as I would hate for it just about Breakfast and Daybreak. Maybe Channel 5 too.
- Lindsey & Bedell I think have been lackluster in Entertainment and maybe this is the year that changes should be made.
eterry21
20-01-2013
channel 5 ahead of 4 for 2 days running
xfactorfan27
20-01-2013
Snow falling thick and fast in the South East and predicted to get heavier in a couple of hours time. Expect a significant uplift for DOI and Call The Midwife tonight. If DOI fails to get said uplift then I think it really is all over for the show.
patrick95
20-01-2013
Splash! will definatley be back for another series with those demos and stable figures. It's a show that really divides opinion yet is still achieving strong figures.

American Idol is unexpectedly bombing hard on Channel 5- I thought Nicki Minaj would at least attract a decent number.


How did Saving Private Ryan do on 4 last night? Top film.
AlexiR
20-01-2013
Originally Posted by Jonwo:
“Two and a Half Men is too well known to be remade, I've alway thought the Australian TV series Packed to the Rafters could be remade, comedy wise, there aren't that many recent sitcoms that could be adapted, maybe a British version of The Nanny with Sheridan Smith as Fran.”

The obvious problem with remaking American shows in particular is that the general audience is now much more aware of them than they were a few years ago. I'm not sure there's really any need to remake a US sitcom anyway. With a couple of exceptions most of them now don't have a particularly big or original situation that would make a remake worthwhile. On the subject of Sheridan Smith though wasn't she cast in the BBC's mooted remake of Bewitched that never saw the light of day? That actually seemed like a not terrible idea. ITV may want to revisit that.

Originally Posted by Stephen_Simpson:
“Mark Linsey is the controller of entertainment and I'm not really sure what he has commissioned under his run that he would be best known for. I guess The Voice would be one.”

Although as others have mentioned Danny Cohen was very much the public face of The Voice in terms of BBC management. Its not clear that Linsey would have gone for the show without Cohen. I suppose The Magicians would be Linsey and actually they found a decent little format with that for the second series (although audiences had given up on it by then). And whilst its very easy and fair to criticise the BBC's entertainment division its worth mentioning that its not like any other broadcaster is doing a whole lot better which perhaps speaks to wider issues beyond the department heads.

Originally Posted by Jules 1:
“I do think that Pointless would provide a much better lead in for Britain's brightest. (probably least controversial comment on here ever. )”

It might very well provide a better lead-in but then there Saturday night line-up would be three game shows back-to-back. I already think that following Brightest with In It to Win It isn't exactly great scheduling adding Pointless would just hammer that home. Personally I wonder if maybe they should try flipping Secret Service and Animal Antics next week. Antics is rating slightly better in the slightly earlier time slot so could potentially provide a slightly stronger lead-in for Brightest. It also doesn't seem to be quite as offensively bad as Secret Service is.

Alternatively if they want to drop both I suppose they could try some Doctor Who repeats in that early Saturday evening slot. Present it as some kind of 'Best Of...' compilation as part of the anniversary. They could in fact scatter little runs like that across the year. And it would pave the way for them to turn that slot into some kind of drama repeat slot. They'd be able to grab stuff from CBBC and maybe use Merlin alongside Doctor Who and cycle in the occasional family film. I suspect it might do quite well.

Originally Posted by cylon6:
“I'm trying to think of any shows he's commissioned that have been big successes. The Voice was more Danny Cohen looking at and going after it. Linsey couldn't even name the winner at the Edinburgh TV Festival. They're useless at finding big weekend hits and still rely on Strictly.”

But again in the BBC's defence its not as if anyone else has had much luck finding new big weekend hits. Or in fact just big entertainment hits. Splash represents ITV's best new offering (commercially at least) since the launch of Britain's Got Talent which was a good 6+ years ago now. The only real success Channel 4 has had entertainment wise since Big Brother is Million Pound Drop and they've run that into the ground at jaw dropping speed. Five was having such trouble that they brought in Big Brother after it was dropped by Channel 4. The pay channels aren't doing any better either. Sky has Got To Dance and Living has a poor man's version of Take Me Out both of which were preceded and followed by some terrible stuff.

Of course to the credit of pretty much every broadcaster they are at least trying to find new shows. ITV and the BBC might still be overly reliant on The X Factor, Britain's Got Talent and Strictly respectively but they are at least trying to get new formats off the ground. The public just aren't really watching them. All they can do is keep plugging away until they stumble onto a success.

As I mentioned above the fact that no British broadcaster is really having any luck with entertainment formats would suggest to me that the problem goes well beyond the department heads and even the departments themselves. There's clearly a much bigger issue that needs to be addressed somewhere along the line but I have absolutely no idea what that is. My best guess would remain a lack of credible presenters to development formats for. At the moment everyone appears to just be fumbling around in the dark. I think it says something (and not something good) when both ITV and the BBC have turned to sports presenters to front their supposedly big new Saturday night shows in Q1.
Sceptilianus
20-01-2013
Originally Posted by Jules 1:
“Imagine what ratings the Voice and Doctor Who would be getting now.

I do think that Pointless would provide a much better lead in for Britain's brightest. (probably least controversial comment on here ever. )”

Doctor Who finished filming months ago as well. There's literally no excuse.
Hassaan13
20-01-2013
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“The Mail's gonna have a field day with this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-21108337”

They didn't mention him explicitly - it's just being made a big deal due to a few parents seeing him as that. It's ridiculous IMO.
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