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The Ratings Thread (Part 44)
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cylon6
19-12-2012
Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“No, neither do I, it might have been a case in the seventies and eighties when they had to show religion in primetime. But even then you've got 1977 which was The Greatest Light Entertainment Line-Up In The History Of Television with Mike Yarwood and Morecambe and Wise getting 21 million each (though not 28 million). And that was Sunday.”

I think in this multichannel era we will see a few channels getting "record lows" far more often. When I was 5 and watching BBC1 that night in 1977 I had no idea that I was witnessing history. I think that night has to be BBC1's biggest victory since the Olympic Opening/Closing Ceremonies.

Quote:
“And last year the ratings went up anyway, nothing beat ten million on the overnights, no, but that's because there was stronger competition - the combined audience of BBC1 and ITV at 9pm was way higher than in 2010 when Poirot was only getting four million on ITV.”

I thought that was the case. Even though no show topped 10m the choice brought in more viewers. If you make the shows the viewers will come.

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“Even if that's not the lowest ever, that's a major embarrassment because usually that was the kind of thing that could easily fill a night for ITV. You can imagine series repeats doing badly, as we've seen in the past, because people who couldn't be bothered watching the series first time round wouldn't be bothered then either, but if you get a complete story in one night, that should surely get something of a casual audience.”

Makes the performance of other primetime repeats like New Tricks/Call The Midwife look very good now.
cylon6
19-12-2012
Originally Posted by Markynotts:
“Last night Eastenders had a 34% share of the audience. On christmas Day in 2011, Eastenders gained 9.9 million viewers for a 33% share of the audience. Eastenders tends to wobble from around 34% to 31% each week.

The figures are from here http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...-abbey-ratings

I think Eastenders will do fine on the day itself.”

BBC1 are having a press screening of their Christmas episodes today. Might get an indication of the quality later on today. Mind you they did that for the Sharon's return episodes and they didn't exactly shift the ratings upwards either.
Only_You
19-12-2012
Corrie being 9.4 or under seems a pretty good bet!
Totem_Bern
19-12-2012
Originally Posted by James J:
“Emmerdale is just 500,000 viewers off EastEnders regularly...”

And the ee repeat got over 600k viewers compared to ems +1 over 150k which if you do a quick sum puts nearly a million between them...

nice try!
cylon6
19-12-2012
Originally Posted by Only_You:
“Corrie being 9.4 or under seems a pretty good bet!”

I think Corrie will be around 7m.
Mr Sirs
19-12-2012
Originally Posted by Totem_Bern:
“And the ee repeat got over 600k viewers compared to ems +1 over 150k which if you do a quick sum puts nearly a million between them...

nice try!”


So will we add up the additional viewers for Ems repeats on ITV2?
The Full Sparky
19-12-2012
Given the lead in, or lack thereof, Downton Abbey to be under 8.6m seems good value at 5/6. Nothing really standing out though. At 2/7 I'd say Shrek was way under priced, given that Tangled is on the other side. It should still come out top, but it just isnt particularly good value.
Dancc
19-12-2012
Scheduling News
Channel 5 will simulcast an auditions episode of new season American Idol on the main channel.

The two-hour series premiere airs Thursday 17th January at 8pm on 5*. Episode 2 will follow Friday 18th January at 10pm on both Channel 5 and 5*, after Celebrity Big Brother: Live Eviction.
kwynne42
19-12-2012
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Scheduling News
Channel 5 will simulcast an auditions episode of new season American Idol on the main channel.

The two-hour series premiere airs Thursday 17th January at 8pm on 5*. Episode 2 will follow Friday 18th January at 10pm on both Channel 5 and 5*, after Celebrity Big Brother: Live Eviction.”

I take it the Mentalist is going on his hols for the duration of CBB. C5 is obviously entering its annual post Christmas wasteland (from my point of view anyway).
ronant
19-12-2012
Originally Posted by The Full Sparky:
“Given the lead in, or lack thereof, Downton Abbey to be under 8.6m seems good value at 5/6. Nothing really standing out though. At 2/7 I'd say Shrek was way under priced, given that Tangled is on the other side. It should still come out top, but it just isnt particularly good value.”

The odds automatically went from 2/7 to 2/11 when i placed my bet on Shrek. Cheeky!
Dancc
19-12-2012
Originally Posted by kwynne42:
“I take it the Mentalist is going on his hols for the duration of CBB. C5 is obviously entering its annual post Christmas wasteland (from my point of view anyway).”

The Mentalist would have to take a break at some point anyway due to proximity to US transmission.

But yes, it will be rested until February after 'Black Cherry' goes out on December 28.
Dancc
19-12-2012
Originally Posted by ronant:
“The odds automatically went from 2/7 to 2/11 when i placed my bet on Shrek. Cheeky!”

Not sure I'll bother at 2/11. Unless you're going to seriously lump on it's not really worth it. But I'm pretty confident Shrek will win, probably by a big margin. Tangled is on ITV so isn't a threat.
F1Ken
19-12-2012
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Fun bit of number crunching from DMN there. And now I am none the wiser about any of my predictions.

Corrie didn't clash with the CTM finale though as the latter started at 8.30pm. On Christmas Day they will clash. What will happen!?!”

CTM will surely come out on top? If BBC One win with CTM that negates the damage DA makes to EE. CTM remember will be getting probably it's biggest lead in yet on Christmas and it faces the news towards the end. I can see the CTM vs corrie battle a crucial one. Then Obviously the biggest battle is DA vs EE which is going to be close. Good news to DA is EE seems to be weaker. Bad news I am sure The Royle Family will be stronger than AbFab was last year.

AbFab last year and strictly at 8 nearly blew it for BBC one. This year strictly is in a better slot with a strong lead in and lead out. It may be a slightly stale looking schedule from BBC One but it seems pretty bullet proof to me.

Don't know if I expect to see DA higher this year or not. My wife loves the show but see says she would never watch the show on the night because of the ads and the length. BBC one appeals to a wider range of people. A soap and a comedy.

It's fascinating this year. Will be interesting to see what programs deliberately run over. Strictly could run over meaning CTM starts late and combined with it running over it's self they could try and dent the start of DA. BBC one could run the hole night late. Or they could under run and try and give EE a head start.

Ken
Totem_Bern
19-12-2012
Originally Posted by Mr Sirs:
“So will we add up the additional viewers for Ems repeats on ITV2? ”

Which don't add up to much... and then there's the ee omnibus...

We can keep going. The point being there's always more to the story
cylon6
19-12-2012
Originally Posted by F1Ken:
“CTM will surely come out on top? If BBC One win with CTM that negates the damage DA makes to EE. CTM remember will be getting probably it's biggest lead in yet on Christmas and it faces the news towards the end. I can see the CTM vs corrie battle a crucial one. Then Obviously the biggest battle is DA vs EE which is going to be close. Good news to DA is EE seems to be weaker. Bad news I am sure The Royle Family will be stronger than AbFab was last year.

AbFab last year and strictly at 8 nearly blew it for BBC one. This year strictly is in a better slot with a strong lead in and lead out. It may be a slightly stale looking schedule from BBC One but it seems pretty bullet proof to me.

Don't know if I expect to see DA higher this year or not. My wife loves the show but see says she would never watch the show on the night because of the ads and the length. BBC one appeals to a wider range of people. A soap and a comedy.

It's fascinating this year. Will be interesting to see what programs deliberately run over. Strictly could run over meaning CTM starts late and combined with it running over it's self they could try and dent the start of DA. BBC one could run the hole night late. Or they could under run and try and give EE a head start.

Ken”

I feel the same way. EastEnders will do worse than last year but The Royle Family will do better. Strictly can provide a better lead in to CTM than Countryfile ever could, mainly because it's not facing Corrie. CTM winning Christmas Day with over 12m viewers in the officials. Just might edge ahead of Downton in the end of year chart too. I wouldn't rule it out.
dave01
19-12-2012
Originally Posted by Only_You:
“Would you be able to link me? I can't find anything on the website! ”

yep sure
the odds for top film and eastenders under 9.8m have changed since earlier.

over/unders
http://www.sportingbet.com/sports-sp...-1-636735.html

top soap
http://www.sportingbet.com/sports-sp...-1-636733.html

top film
http://www.sportingbet.com/sports-sp...-1-636734.html


Bare in mind they do include +1 at Sportingbet
dave01
19-12-2012
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Short odds but I can't see Shrek getting beat. Definitely worth a bet, perhaps doubling it up with EE to be under 9.8m.”

Went for Eastenders under 9.8m at EVENS. Odds look to have dropped since I put mine on earlier so got some good value there.
Hassaan13
19-12-2012
CBBC:
17:45 - Young Dracula: 284k (1.6%)
18:15 - Young Dracula: 272k (1.4%)

For new programming that's rather disappointing, especially considering it was getting 400k+ last year. I'd put the drop this year down to being overshadowed by Wizards vs Aliens.
F1Ken
19-12-2012
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“I feel the same way. EastEnders will do worse than last year but The Royle Family will do better. Strictly can provide a better lead in to CTM than Countryfile ever could, mainly because it's not facing Corrie. CTM winning Christmas Day with over 12m viewers in the officials. Just might edge ahead of Downton in the end of year chart too. I wouldn't rule it out.”

With strictly there yes that could happen. DA has ITV News CTM has Strictly. CTM is still a bit unknown with it being quite young. We don't know if it has stopped growing yet next series could be big but it could shrink that's why this Christmas is so interesting.

Ken
rivkin
19-12-2012
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“Ouch for ITV1 between 8 and 10, with nothing getting into double figures. Except on football nights, and imagine what might happen if no English teams get past the second round, Tuesdays just seem to have died after Emmerdale. One answer might be to move The Chase into an 8pm slot- it seems to be getting big enough to be moved- and follow it with a drama repeat. Otherwise there doesn't seem anything that would work.”

before tuesdays became a problem for itv what was shown when it was actually an ok night for ratings???

can remember an hour long emmerdale at 7pm and was that followed by the bill???

seems if itv did not have the live footly on tue on random weeks more established shows could be set in the slots seems the random line ups each week will never work.
think moving the football onto itv 4 until the later stages of the football and trying to establish more regular shows the only answer???
cylon6
19-12-2012
Originally Posted by F1Ken:
“With strictly there yes that could happen. DA has ITV News CTM has Strictly. CTM is still a bit unknown with it being quite young. We don't know if it has stopped growing yet next series could be big but it could shrink that's why this Christmas is so interesting.

Ken”

When you look at Downton's second series, even though some said it wasn't as good as the first or the third, it cleared 12m a few times and it had it's highest rating ever during this series. Series 3 got 12m and I think around that figure is Downton's top end. I think Call The Midwife could join Downton in the regular 12m club.

But the funny thing about guessing the level for a series is that every so often you get thrown a surprise. When Doctor Who returned with Rose in 2005 I thought 11m would be as good as it got. Then in 2007 Voyage Of The Damned managed to get over 13m! Never saw that coming!

So really we just don't know for certain.
cylon6
19-12-2012
Originally Posted by rivkin:
“before tuesdays became a problem for itv what was shown when it was actually an ok night for ratings???

can remember an hour long emmerdale at 7pm and was that followed by the bill???

seems if itv did not have the live footly on tue on random weeks more established shows could be set in the slots seems the random line ups each week will never work.
think moving the football onto itv 4 until the later stages of the football and trying to establish more regular shows the only answer???”

Tuesday night drama used to be massive on ITV with shows like Peak Practice and Soldier Soldier
D.M.N.
19-12-2012
Last Tango in Halifax (11/12/12) timeshifted to 7.33m (27.2%). As for the night before:

Monday 10th December 2012 - Consolidated
BBC One
20:00 - EastEnders: 8.58m (32.4%)
* timeshift of 0.84m

ITV1 (inc +1)
17:00 - The Chase: 3.83m (24.1%)
* peak: 4.71m (25.6%) at 17:50
19:00 - Emmerdale: 8.13m (35.3%)
* timeshift of 0.38m
19:30 - Coronation Street: 10.22m (41.4%)
* timeshift of 1.00m
20:30 - Coronation Street: 9.77m (34.6%)
* timeshift of 0.63m
21:00 - The Poison Tree: 5.72m (21.1%)
* timeshift of 0.77m
ronant
19-12-2012
Shrek Forever After for Most Popular Christmas Day Film has the more generous odds of 2/5 on William Hill - http://sports.williamhill.com/bet/en...y-TV-Film.html

Honestly, that cannot lose can it? There's no other film that could possibly beat it. I'd put as much money as you can afford on it!
johnnymc
19-12-2012
Tango is hitting New Tricks heights, I think this was another surprise for the BBC, it was not as heavily promoted as The Paradise, like to think ITV giving BBC one some competition but its coming from BBC Two instead
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