From the Digitalspy spoilers, Peggy decides not to come to her great grand-daughter's christening because Sharon will be at the christening. I thought Peggy and Sharon settled their differences and no longer hate each other etc?? They were on good terms when Sharon left in 2006.
EE - Peggy is not returning to Lexi's christening because of Sharon?!?
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I thought this aswell unless Phil fakes the text to manipulate Sharon like the one he sent her which was supposedly from Ben in prison asking for her help to get her baby back
Sharon had just lost her husband, Peggy wasn't exactly going to be a bitch to her.
Peggy may not hate Sharon any more, but they will never be friends. There's always going to be tension there.
Peggy may not hate Sharon any more, but they will never be friends. There's always going to be tension there.
Originally Posted by sarahcadhill:
“From the Digitalspy spoilers, Peggy decides not to come to her great grand-daughter's christening because Sharon will be at the christening. I thought Peggy and Sharon settled their differences and no longer hate each other etc?? They were on good terms when Sharon left in 2006.”
“From the Digitalspy spoilers, Peggy decides not to come to her great grand-daughter's christening because Sharon will be at the christening. I thought Peggy and Sharon settled their differences and no longer hate each other etc?? They were on good terms when Sharon left in 2006.”
Yeah, but they haven't asked Peggy back to do one day's worth of filming, so they've invented some other reason to keep her away. Because it's fairly mad that she wouldn't go to the christening of her great granddaughter.
Peggy has a nerve to hold a grudge against Sharon after she returned The Vic to the Mitchells following Chrissie's arrest. Maybe she's ashamed to see Sharon because she knows Phil sent her husband to his death.
Originally Posted by Broken_Arrow:
“Peggy has a nerve to hold a grudge against Sharon after she returned The Vic to the Mitchells following Chrissie's arrest. Maybe she's ashamed to see Sharon because she knows Phil sent her husband to his death.”
“Peggy has a nerve to hold a grudge against Sharon after she returned The Vic to the Mitchells following Chrissie's arrest. Maybe she's ashamed to see Sharon because she knows Phil sent her husband to his death.”
To be fair she gave Peggy first refusal. She didn't just give away the Vic for free.
Like I said, Peggy may not hate her any more but she's hardly likely to welcome Sharon, the only woman to come between her two sons, with open arms.
They need a reason for Peggy not being there (she's hardly likely to miss her great-granddaughter's christening) so Sharon is the easy option I guess.
Originally Posted by bass55:
“To be fair she gave Peggy first refusal. She didn't just give away the Vic for free.
Like I said, Peggy may not hate her any more but she's hardly likely to welcome Sharon, the only woman to come between her two sons, with open arms.
They need a reason for Peggy not being there (she's hardly likely to miss her great-granddaughter's christening) so Sharon is the easy option I guess.”
“To be fair she gave Peggy first refusal. She didn't just give away the Vic for free.
Like I said, Peggy may not hate her any more but she's hardly likely to welcome Sharon, the only woman to come between her two sons, with open arms.
They need a reason for Peggy not being there (she's hardly likely to miss her great-granddaughter's christening) so Sharon is the easy option I guess.”
But Peggy helped Sharon through her grief when Dennis died and bought a card for everyone to sign when she found out Sharon gave birth. Those aren't the actions of someone holding a grudge.
Originally Posted by Broken_Arrow:
“But Peggy helped Sharon through her grief when Dennis died and bought a card for everyone to sign when she found out Sharon gave birth. Those aren't the actions of someone holding a grudge.”
“But Peggy helped Sharon through her grief when Dennis died and bought a card for everyone to sign when she found out Sharon gave birth. Those aren't the actions of someone holding a grudge.”
No, but maybe the actions of someone who felt guilty for her son's part in Dennis' death.
I thought Babs would jump at the chance of a guest spot? All i've seen her do since leaving are those bingo adverts!
It's not about them being best mates though. As has already been said they are on good terms again. Peggy supported her after Dennis died and then sent a card many months after she'd left to congratulate her on the baby's birth.
Of course they're never going to be chums but Peggy wouldn't refuse a visit just because she was going to see Sharon.
Of course they're never going to be chums but Peggy wouldn't refuse a visit just because she was going to see Sharon.
Originally Posted by bass55:
“No, but maybe the actions of someone who felt guilty for her son's part in Dennis' death.”
“No, but maybe the actions of someone who felt guilty for her son's part in Dennis' death.”
That's not how it was shown at the time. In a few years if Peggy returns they'll probably just erase this event like they erased Ian's trip to see Sharon in America a few years ago and Janine knowing Sharon from her childhood and teenage years.
Originally Posted by Broken_Arrow:
“That's not how it was shown at the time. In a few years if Peggy returns they'll probably just erase this event like they erased Ian's trip to see Sharon in America a few years ago and Janine knowing Sharon from her childhood and teenage years.”
“That's not how it was shown at the time. In a few years if Peggy returns they'll probably just erase this event like they erased Ian's trip to see Sharon in America a few years ago and Janine knowing Sharon from her childhood and teenage years.”
Yes, this was bad continuity. Particularly in Janine's case.
But I still don't believe that all the animosity between Sharon and Peggy would have disappeared just because Dennis died. Yes, Peggy did help Sharon through her grief, she obviously felt awful that Sharon had lost her husband so young. And yes I think it's unlikely Peggy still holds a grudge (and quite unbelievable that she wouldn't go to a christening because of Sharon) but I'd imagine if Peggy were to return, her and Sharon would definitely have confrontation at some point. Like I said, they need a reason for Peggy not being there, and Sharon's presence is not totally beyond the realms of possibility. Peggy has always been about 'family', and perhaps she is simply jealous that Sharon has 'wormed her way' back into the Mitchells during her absence.
Originally Posted by bass55:
“Yes, this was bad continuity. Particularly in Janine's case.
But I still don't believe that all the animosity between Sharon and Peggy would have disappeared just because Dennis died. Yes, Peggy did help Sharon through her grief, she obviously felt awful that Sharon had lost her husband so young. And yes I think it's unlikely Peggy still holds a grudge (and quite unbelievable that she wouldn't go to a christening because of Sharon) but I'd imagine if Peggy were to return, her and Sharon would definitely have confrontation at some point.”
“Yes, this was bad continuity. Particularly in Janine's case.
But I still don't believe that all the animosity between Sharon and Peggy would have disappeared just because Dennis died. Yes, Peggy did help Sharon through her grief, she obviously felt awful that Sharon had lost her husband so young. And yes I think it's unlikely Peggy still holds a grudge (and quite unbelievable that she wouldn't go to a christening because of Sharon) but I'd imagine if Peggy were to return, her and Sharon would definitely have confrontation at some point.”
Oh definitely. If Peggy ever returns while Sharon is there I'd expect them to fall out again. It makes good tv. My point is at this moment in time there's no reason for a grudge. They parted on good terms and haven't seen each other in years.
I guess she couldnt be on another cruise, there's a recession and all...
I'd rather them just say she has a cold or not even mention her to be honest...surprised Phil has even told her...I mean when he was desperately searching for ways to make him seem decent and responsible and have a loving stable home for Lexi...a call to Peggy probably could have solved a few issues but it didnt happen...
This sort of thing just shows up how unreal it all is so the should limit that as much as possible.
Unless...they plan Phil and Sharon to get married and want Peggy and Grant to return in some explosive, continuity killing, showdown to stop it....
I'd rather them just say she has a cold or not even mention her to be honest...surprised Phil has even told her...I mean when he was desperately searching for ways to make him seem decent and responsible and have a loving stable home for Lexi...a call to Peggy probably could have solved a few issues but it didnt happen...
This sort of thing just shows up how unreal it all is so the should limit that as much as possible.
Unless...they plan Phil and Sharon to get married and want Peggy and Grant to return in some explosive, continuity killing, showdown to stop it....
The thing was, if Peggy did still hold a grudge for Sharon she wouldn't just stay away from the Christening, she would be there guns blazing telling Sharon to bugger off.
I really do wish they had killed Peggy off and then allowed Pat to have a happy ending
I really do wish they had killed Peggy off and then allowed Pat to have a happy ending
Originally Posted by Scrabbler:
“The thing was, if Peggy did still hold a grudge for Sharon she wouldn't just stay away from the Christening, she would be there guns blazing telling Sharon to bugger off.
I really do wish they had killed Peggy off and then allowed Pat to have a happy ending”
“The thing was, if Peggy did still hold a grudge for Sharon she wouldn't just stay away from the Christening, she would be there guns blazing telling Sharon to bugger off.
I really do wish they had killed Peggy off and then allowed Pat to have a happy ending”
I agree. Peggy is OBSESSED with faamily. The moment she'd foud out about her great-granddaughter she'd force her way back into Phil's life to see her. Neither Sharon nor anyone else would've been able to keep her away. You could build a wall around Walford and she'd knock it down with her bloody fists.
In short, Peggy's not returning because Barbara Windsor isn't returning, and the excuse given was piss-poor.
Urgh, more like they can't be asked to ask the actress to return. Babs has said she would return to the show at anytime as long as it was for a short stint. I have still never forgiven them for not having her at Pat's funeral.
The lack of Peggy through Pat's death, ben's murder charge and now with Lexi is so not like the character that peggy was shown on the show.
The lack of Peggy through Pat's death, ben's murder charge and now with Lexi is so not like the character that peggy was shown on the show.
Originally Posted by Broken_Arrow:
“Continuity has been crap for years.”
“Continuity has been crap for years.”
I agree.
Bad continuity is down to one thing and one thing only - laziness!
I swear half the time the writers just think the day-to-day casual viewer of Eastenders won't remember such a thing as that, so lets just make up some other excuse as to why Peggy doesn't want to come to her own great-grandaughter's christening and hey-ho, nobody will care.
And possibly within 7 million or so viewers some people won't remember every little detail or storyline so there is an element of truth to that. But then there are some viewers who do remember such things and notice it once retcons start slipping into episodes all over the place. They should stick 100% to the show's history. It amazes me that it isn't somebody's job within the show to know pretty much everything - like a die hard viewer would - who can come in and check scripts and correct things like blatant continuity errors.
Originally Posted by maurice45:
“I agree. Peggy is OBSESSED with faamily. The moment she'd foud out about her great-granddaughter she'd force her way back into Phil's life to see her. Neither Sharon nor anyone else would've been able to keep her away. You could build a wall around Walford and she'd knock it down with her bloody fists.
In short, Peggy's not returning because Barbara Windsor isn't returning, and the excuse given was piss-poor.”
“I agree. Peggy is OBSESSED with faamily. The moment she'd foud out about her great-granddaughter she'd force her way back into Phil's life to see her. Neither Sharon nor anyone else would've been able to keep her away. You could build a wall around Walford and she'd knock it down with her bloody fists.
In short, Peggy's not returning because Barbara Windsor isn't returning, and the excuse given was piss-poor.”
This, absolutely. Still they could have had a better excuse, perhaps she broke her leg whilst visiting Grant for Christmas so can't fly. However, I do think that whilst she and Sharon might have made their peace of sorts, there is a big difference between her being kind enough to organise a card when she was on thee other side of the World and away from her boys and being overjoyed to have her back in the family on a day to day basis.
Originally Posted by bass55:
“Sharon had just lost her husband, Peggy wasn't exactly going to be a bitch to her.
Peggy may not hate Sharon any more, but they will never be friends. There's always going to be tension there.”
“Sharon had just lost her husband, Peggy wasn't exactly going to be a bitch to her.
Peggy may not hate Sharon any more, but they will never be friends. There's always going to be tension there.”
But over 6 months later when Sharon gave birth, Peggy got her a card and got everyone to sign it. She also was happy Sharon was living with her and Phil after the murder. She hugged her and wished her the best of luck. She also told Grant how Phil had supported Sharon and was happy for her son to go live with her.
That goes above and beyond even for Peggy who was a pure bitch to Sharon at her own mothers funeral.
And it was not just because Dennis had died the feud actually stopped the year before in 2005. After the Watts and Mitchells teamed up to get Chrissie and Sharon gave the Mitchells the pub back that Den had scammed off them. It was the end of the feud.
And the likes of Peggy Mitchell would never allow Sharon to stop her from going to her first great grandchilds christening. She was even thrilled when she wrongly assumed Sharon was pregnant in 2001 with a Mitchell baby. Because whoever it is Mitchell blood and family means everything to Peggy.
Originally Posted by dannysays:
“I agree.
Bad continuity is down to one thing and one thing only - laziness!
I swear half the time the writers just think the day-to-day casual viewer of Eastenders won't remember such a thing as that, so lets just make up some other excuse as to why Peggy doesn't want to come to her own great-grandaughter's christening and hey-ho, nobody will care.
And possibly within 7 million or so viewers some people won't remember every little detail or storyline so there is an element of truth to that. But then there are some viewers who do remember such things and notice it once retcons start slipping into episodes all over the place. They should stick 100% to the show's history. It amazes me that it isn't somebody's job within the show to know pretty much everything - like a die hard viewer would - who can come in and check scripts and correct things like blatant continuity errors.”
“I agree.
Bad continuity is down to one thing and one thing only - laziness!
I swear half the time the writers just think the day-to-day casual viewer of Eastenders won't remember such a thing as that, so lets just make up some other excuse as to why Peggy doesn't want to come to her own great-grandaughter's christening and hey-ho, nobody will care.
And possibly within 7 million or so viewers some people won't remember every little detail or storyline so there is an element of truth to that. But then there are some viewers who do remember such things and notice it once retcons start slipping into episodes all over the place. They should stick 100% to the show's history. It amazes me that it isn't somebody's job within the show to know pretty much everything - like a die hard viewer would - who can come in and check scripts and correct things like blatant continuity errors.”
They did away with the continuity department a while ago so there's no one to check the facts anymore. It feels as if EastEnders is geared exclusively towards the casual viewer. As a long time fan who knows the history I feel insulted when they don't respect the continuity. A small thing can be overlooked but Peggy and Sharon's fiery relationship was a major plot point that was resolved years ago. Being out of touch and taking the viewers for granted is not a good combination.
Originally Posted by Jason100:
“I thought Babs would jump at the chance of a guest spot? All i've seen her do since leaving are those bingo adverts!”
“I thought Babs would jump at the chance of a guest spot? All i've seen her do since leaving are those bingo adverts!”
I hope it stays that way
Originally Posted by little-monster:
“Urgh, more like they can't be asked to ask the actress to return.”
“Urgh, more like they can't be asked to ask the actress to return.”
Indeed. It does amuse me how, when the actor/actress is unable to return, a former character is said to be too busy to attend their relative's wedding, funeral etc.
Originally Posted by AngelicPrincess:
“But over 6 months later when Sharon gave birth, Peggy got her a card and got everyone to sign it. She also was happy Sharon was living with her and Phil after the murder. She hugged her and wished her the best of luck. She also told Grant how Phil had supported Sharon and was happy for her son to go live with her.
That goes above and beyond even for Peggy who was a pure bitch to Sharon at her own mothers funeral.
And it was not just because Dennis had died the feud actually stopped the year before in 2005. After the Watts and Mitchells teamed up to get Chrissie and Sharon gave the Mitchells the pub back that Den had scammed off them. It was the end of the feud.
And the likes of Peggy Mitchell would never allow Sharon to stop her from going to her first great grandchilds christening. She was even thrilled when she wrongly assumed Sharon was pregnant in 2001 with a Mitchell baby. Because whoever it is Mitchell blood and family means everything to Peggy.”
“But over 6 months later when Sharon gave birth, Peggy got her a card and got everyone to sign it. She also was happy Sharon was living with her and Phil after the murder. She hugged her and wished her the best of luck. She also told Grant how Phil had supported Sharon and was happy for her son to go live with her.
That goes above and beyond even for Peggy who was a pure bitch to Sharon at her own mothers funeral.
And it was not just because Dennis had died the feud actually stopped the year before in 2005. After the Watts and Mitchells teamed up to get Chrissie and Sharon gave the Mitchells the pub back that Den had scammed off them. It was the end of the feud.
And the likes of Peggy Mitchell would never allow Sharon to stop her from going to her first great grandchilds christening. She was even thrilled when she wrongly assumed Sharon was pregnant in 2001 with a Mitchell baby. Because whoever it is Mitchell blood and family means everything to Peggy.”
100% agree with this. Dennis didnt die until New Years Eve 2005, Peggy and Sharon were on friendly terms earlier than that in the October when they united to bring down Chrissie. Sharon then sold the Vic to Peggy and they got on very well with her and Dennis still living on the square. It makes no sense that Peggy would suddenly be so against Sharon. And there's no way that the Peggy Mitchell we all know would miss out on meeting her great-granddaughter. Very bad continuity on the writers part i think.
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