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Old 21-12-2012, 00:22
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Just watched it on catch up. On the one hand I'm not surprised he picked ashleigh because she's more like him, but on the other I am because she didn't have a plan...might go into property management, might become an accountant...all a bit wooly. Lucy at least could have built up her cake business while she studied (though I think mentioning going to uni was a mistake).
I may be 100% wrong, but my initial thought when Ashleigh mentioned property management was that she was only saying this to butter Sugar up because of his own extensive property empire. But maybe that's just me being cynical and she really does want to do that.

Regardless, although I'm not a fan of hers, she did very well on this final task, as did Lucy.
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Old 21-12-2012, 00:41
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An interesting final, and it was great to see some of the fired candidates again. I'd nearly forgotten Max and Sean! So good to see Navdeep especially - if only she could have been in the final herself!

Loved the way Patrick knew he couldn't win an argument with Maria, so he just got the choir anyway, presented her with a fait accompli and took the resulting outburst

I would have preferred Lucy to win. I don't mind Ashleigh at all (I didn't really mind who won as long as it wasn't bloody Patrick!) but I think she could be stubborn and difficult just as much as Maria.
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Old 21-12-2012, 01:13
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Most creative team won this task, but Cyc was the better concept.

Patrick jeopardised the team, I was thinking at the time, what has a choir got to do with cycling, it's like he watched the video at the start and thought ooh that looked good, I will do that.

As to the finalists, it doesn't matter how many times Ashleigh pleads that she hasn't been carried, the fact of the matter is that she has been, she should have gone the week that she blamed David for her bad mistakes.

Lucy won this task for her creativity, as the whole concept was heavily flawed and the presentation was just waffle.

As to the business idea's, Lucy would have gone to Uni and carried on her cake making/catering business, Ashleigh didn't have a business plan or an idea, as 25k wouldn't work in her proposals. Overall, I'm ashamed to say that on paper Patrick's business model was the best.

Wrong person won tonight and Sugar's decisions have been dreadful in this series.
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Old 21-12-2012, 03:20
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Most creative team won this task, but Cyc was the better concept.

Patrick jeopardised the team, I was thinking at the time, what has a choir got to do with cycling, it's like he watched the video at the start and thought ooh that looked good, I will do that.

As to the finalists, it doesn't matter how many times Ashleigh pleads that she hasn't been carried, the fact of the matter is that she has been, she should have gone the week that she blamed David for her bad mistakes.

Lucy won this task for her creativity, as the whole concept was heavily flawed and the presentation was just waffle.

As to the business idea's, Lucy would have gone to Uni and carried on her cake making/catering business, Ashleigh didn't have a business plan or an idea, as 25k wouldn't work in her proposals. Overall, I'm ashamed to say that on paper Patrick's business model was the best.

Wrong person won tonight and Sugar's decisions have been dreadful in this series.
Agree the two last standing had no ideas that needed 25k. More cakes would require more money probably, cake making required time which was impractical , and Lucy's focus was academic.Ashleigh was asking for blank cheque to support either her training or move into something that would need much more money - she couln't even say which was her aim for a year.

Patrick probably had a relevant proposal as you could always use money to buy material, develop designs, go and learn from designers, get into production or to set up a website. The obvious problem was he made really silly decisions throughout, and it was dubious from week one that he would ever design anything anyone wanted. He clearly didn't understand the concept or the need for one this week.

Maria's CV has something about online fashion on it. She did develop and push a concept in her own field , and has on past tasks including her PM win. There's also obvious scope for buying stock, a new website, product range enlargement, business support and advertising.

The question is why Maria is lumbered with Patrick and other stars like David? Maria against either girl has a better proposal. However, she's got more negatives in an otherwise similar show record. Does he rule out Maria and Patrick as winners first before he sets the teams?

He ends up with the people with the most successful/least controversial show record but no proposals. Which bizarrely is what he's avoided on both adult series with that format.
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Old 21-12-2012, 03:31
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I immediately thought that Patrick & Maria would lose as soon as David suggested the name "Cyc". As soon as he said "Cyc", he had to specify that he meant "Cyc" not "Psych". The name (as spoken) could be taken as "Psych" not "Cyc", and the name (as written) could be taken as "Sick" not "Sike".
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Old 21-12-2012, 03:34
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Why was it waffle? They went with what the market research told them, and there's definitely a market for ethical street wear that opposes big corporate 'style over substance'.

I think the cycling brand concept was very flawed. The only thing they got right was choosing a growing market. Cycling requires a bit of investment, bikes don't come cheap and you're going to want good kit. So why aim it at broke young people? I don't think they had thought it through properly.
They had no idea what ethical entailed. Ashleigh waffled about giving lessons back to the community, at what would be unrealistic cost, when its got more to do with how its made, what its made from, who by and where? They didn't have a usp or market niche according to the professionals.

Cyc looked silly as the clothing they were given wasn't anything to do with it and was about as lacking in safety features as it could be. But the idea of a niche, in an expanding market and going for multiple environmental, practical and fun angles, was at least partially worked up and coherent? The bike is going to be cheaper than a car and the price of running the car is going up so there is an argument for bikes to students.

Their problem was that grannies singing about something else was about as irrelevant as you could get - wheras Ashleigh at least showed people having fun in more fun looking outfits.
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Old 21-12-2012, 09:40
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The best team definitely won. The central "nugget" of the CYC brand had potential (pronounciation issues aside), but their logo looked like the something a schoolkid might draw in his exercise book, and the viral video couldn't have been less appropriate.

On the other hand "Release" was a pretty dull name, but everything they did with the brand and video looked professional and really worked. I wasn't a huge fan of Ashleigh, but she's a safe pair of hands and probably earned it, good for her.

(And, somewhere in Liverpool, a Frankie Goes To Hollywood tribute act finally gets its singer back...)
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Old 21-12-2012, 10:29
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The best team definitely won. The central "nugget" of the CYC brand had potential (pronounciation issues aside), but their logo looked like the something a schoolkid might draw in his exercise book, and the viral video couldn't have been less appropriate.

On the other hand "Release" was a pretty dull name, but everything they did with the brand and video looked professional and really worked. I wasn't a huge fan of Ashleigh, but she's a safe pair of hands and probably earned it, good for her.

(And, somewhere in Liverpool, a Frankie Goes To Hollywood tribute act finally gets its singer back...)
I agree Cyc had a rubbish logo and a poor viral, but with our Olympic and Tour de France successes, this is a good time to launch a youth cycling brand and the shop guy said there was nothing like it in the market today. Sadly, the clothes provided by the BBC didn't help. They looked cheap and generic, not something aimed at a youth market. Adding a logo that looked like a 5 minute PowerPoint design didn't help.

On the other hand Release had a great logo and viral, but had no idea what their ethical side was meant to be. They hadn't identified a new market, they just had a bog standard product and a pitch that repeated what the focus group had said.

Patrick showed no creativity at all. The choir idea was rubbish as it didn't appeal to the target audience. Maria was right to be angry at Patrick for booking the choir, but her logo design was rubbish too. The Cyc name was poor for many reasons too. So two poor performances, the only thing they got right was identifying a good target market in the first place.

The right team won, and both members did some good work (logo looked very professional, viral also worked well, much to my surprise!). The only thing they got wrong was not having anything to back up the "ethical" angle for their brand. It could have gone either way, and I'd have been satisfied. Neither really had a good use for the prize, so not much between them really.
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Old 21-12-2012, 11:32
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I agree Cyc had a rubbish logo and a poor viral, but with our Olympic and Tour de France successes, this is a good time to launch a youth cycling brand and the shop guy said there was nothing like it in the market today. Sadly, the clothes provided by the BBC didn't help. They looked cheap and generic, not something aimed at a youth market. Adding a logo that looked like a 5 minute PowerPoint design didn't help.

On the other hand Release had a great logo and viral, but had no idea what their ethical side was meant to be. They hadn't identified a new market, they just had a bog standard product and a pitch that repeated what the focus group had said.

Patrick showed no creativity at all. The choir idea was rubbish as it didn't appeal to the target audience. Maria was right to be angry at Patrick for booking the choir, but her logo design was rubbish too. The Cyc name was poor for many reasons too. So two poor performances, the only thing they got right was identifying a good target market in the first place.

The right team won, and both members did some good work (logo looked very professional, viral also worked well, much to my surprise!). The only thing they got wrong was not having anything to back up the "ethical" angle for their brand. It could have gone either way, and I'd have been satisfied. Neither really had a good use for the prize, so not much between them really.
What's "a good use", though? Lucy was looking to further her education, which is admirable - although she didn't articulate herself all that well in the boardroom. Ashleigh's "use" sounded like a bit of a random wish list - £25k is hardly going to help her set up a property or accountancy business. Indeed, it sounded to me like the words of someone who was somewhat divorced from reality, or at the very least on a bit of a fishing expedition.

Having said that, it's really tough at that age to clearly state what you would do with a £25k business investment. Yes, Sugar keeps pointing to the fact that he started his own businesses at their age, but he was basically just a Del Boy made good. If someone had asked him what he would do with £25k at that age, I bet he'd have struggled too.
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Old 21-12-2012, 11:38
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I thought Ashleigh was a deserving winner. I didn't particularly like her at all, but she was passionate about her ideas and wanting to do well. It was tough between her and Lucy, Lucy would have been a very deserving winner as well But overall I think Ashleigh showed a bit more fight and spirit. Both their 'business plans' were poor though, and it was a bit of an anti climax that neither had a substantial plan they had set out.
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Old 21-12-2012, 12:24
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I thought Ashleigh was a deserving winner. I didn't particularly like her at all, but she was passionate about her ideas and wanting to do well. It was tough between her and Lucy, Lucy would have been a very deserving winner as well But overall I think Ashleigh showed a bit more fight and spirit. Both their 'business plans' were poor though, and it was a bit of an anti climax that neither had a substantial plan they had set out.
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Old 21-12-2012, 12:31
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oooo people. hurrah....

the porta-loo saga...

The Final on screen

White Hart Lane football stadium, or station as she shouted.
Patrick wants to be the foremost designers in this country....good luck to him.

ooo. Lucy thinks she should win...definitely!
Its legendary according to voiceoverman
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Old 21-12-2012, 12:59
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I think the girls have an advantage in this show, because they're all more mature than the boys. My brother said the winner is more like 34 than 17 and he does have a point.

Where's she from, is it Mansfield?
Wath on Dearne or Swinton, South Yorkshire. The shop she works part-time in is in Swinton. I think she goes to Wath Comprehensive school.
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Old 21-12-2012, 13:27
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Its legendary according to voiceoverman
I wonder how much Lord Sugar had to pay them to describe THFC as "legendary"!

I'd say there are 4 or 5 "legendary" teams in the UK, and Tottenham isn't one of them! If I list the one's I'd count, I'll be swamped with objections, so I'll keep them to myself
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Old 21-12-2012, 20:55
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Just caught up...

Darn, we were denied the opportunity to see Maria and Patrick lay into each other as losers

Bit of an anti-climax after the best team one. Also an odd moment when Lucy had to get up and leave... and then just vanished, never to be heard of again - she was runner-up, after all.

Patrick showed how pathetically weak he was with the choir debacle, he really didn't deserve to be in the final.
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Old 21-12-2012, 21:52
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Bit of an anti-climax after the best team one. Also an odd moment when Lucy had to get up and leave... and then just vanished, never to be heard of again - she was runner-up, after all.
There is never an interview with the runner up, either on Young Apprentice or the adult version. They always just show the winner after Sugar announces who the winner is.
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Old 22-12-2012, 00:12
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I wonder how much Lord Sugar had to pay them to describe THFC as "legendary"!

I'd say there are 4 or 5 "legendary" teams in the UK, and Tottenham isn't one of them! If I list the one's I'd count, I'll be swamped with objections, so I'll keep them to myself
Depends how old you are. If you were around in the early 60s and 70s Spurs is certainly a legendary club.
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Old 22-12-2012, 00:34
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Most creative team won this task, but Cyc was the better concept.

Patrick jeopardised the team, I was thinking at the time, what has a choir got to do with cycling, it's like he watched the video at the start and thought ooh that looked good, I will do that.

As to the finalists, it doesn't matter how many times Ashleigh pleads that she hasn't been carried, the fact of the matter is that she has been, she should have gone the week that she blamed David for her bad mistakes.

Lucy won this task for her creativity, as the whole concept was heavily flawed and the presentation was just waffle.

As to the business idea's, Lucy would have gone to Uni and carried on her cake making/catering business, Ashleigh didn't have a business plan or an idea, as 25k wouldn't work in her proposals. Overall, I'm ashamed to say that on paper Patrick's business model was the best.

Wrong person won tonight and Sugar's decisions have been dreadful in this series.
CYC was a terrible concept. Picking cycling should have easily been a winner over street clothing. But everything was wrong with the brand. The name, the logo, the colours, trying to pitch it as a youth product by making it cheap (since when have youth brands been cheap?). Patrick's hopeless choir idea (though if they'd found a glee club style youth choir it might have just worked) was the final nail in the coffin.

"Gear" would have been a much better name for a cycle clothing brand.

Release was a poor name too, but the branding really looked professional. They totally lost the plot on what an ethical brand was but it wasn't enough to lose them the task.

Based on their performances I would have preferred Lucy to win as she was a better leader and if she ran a company she'd have happier staff. Ashleigh's future employees will have permanent earache. Neither had a clear idea of what to do with the £25K but Ashleigh seemed to need the money more than Lucy, who will clearly succeed without it.

Best moment of the programme for me was Andrew telling Lord Sugar what his choices were between the two of them in the boardroom.
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Old 29-12-2012, 20:45
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"I'm going to study law"......with that one sentence, we knew Lucy had lost.

Alan "I don't value academic achievement or ambition" Sugar picked Peter Kay's neighbour who will either open up a lettings agents or an accountants.

Probably the first one since its a business based on gobshi*e-ism and chancing your arm.

The second requires a person to pick up a reasonable amount of knowledge and experience - even if you employ good people.

This whole series has been a massive joke. Poor decisions throughout and not many obvious winners to pick from
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Old 29-12-2012, 22:41
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"I'm going to study law"......with that one sentence, we knew Lucy had lost.
Lucy wanted to study law then sell cakes, which is precisely Helen's career path. Helen was a losing finalist too.
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Old 29-12-2012, 23:20
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Lucy wanted to study law then sell cakes, which is precisely Helen's career path. Helen was a losing finalist too.
She actually said she wanted to work in the food industry. She didn't say specifically cakes, although that was what she'd been working on already.
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