You are more right than you realise. I have observed that mixed race women generally date white guys, and thus she was expressing her preference in this area.

Oh come on, Vic still thinks making those 'I'm the baker, 'I make bread' things are funny.

Get a new act Vic, it was old when you first did it.

You'd think they'd try to evolve a bit in terms of character.

Kitten is the same, the mardy madam act went out with her in BB5. Lets see some maturity.

yeah but thats just vic! I guess you either love him or hate him...IMO he is funny!

I've seenhim do it before. In BB5 victor asked the same thing to Michelle .... would you go for a guy like me ? a way of asking do you go out with black guys

I think we all have preferences in what we fancy and that shouldn't be looked down on. When I was single I would never have dreamt of going out with a guy wiith blonde hair ..... does bugger all for me but I'm sure sooner or later I will be called a blondist

Just because you love someone doesnt mean you can't see when they are crap. Or would you go out with Charlie from Corrie just cause you love him?

That was a wasn't even a poor imitation of his BB5 DR moments.
Surely as a fan you'd want better from him?

i didnt watch it tonight so i dunno N e ways im not relaly a fan of his i just think hes funny!

You have my pity.

How evolved and mature are Jade, Spencer, Tim or the sealboy?

i dont need your pity! But thanks for offerin

He also said to Michelle "Do you like it, do you like it up you" very early on in the snug, which put me right off him - and that was before I found out he was a lardass ......

Oh do people have to do the 'how about so and so' thing, it's so boring.

I can say Vic hasn't evolved without having to justify it by saying someone else has evolved.

Well, lets see. How does she feel knowing that she could have had the oppurtunity of bumping and grinding with you instead of Tim.

I'm the bread maker, I put buns in the oven.

Why would they evolve? It's who they are.

My posts haven't evolved in the time I've been a member here. I'm still posting the same lame old crap I always did. The same can be said of most of the FMs here.

Vic, and all the others for that matter are just people with strong personalities, they're not stand up comics, performers or writers. If you don't like Vic, that's your lookout but expecting him to change his character in five months for the sake of a handful of die-hard addicts like us lot is asking a little bit much I'd have thought.

Oh come on, he is trying to be Vic the Slick from the DR in BB5, but it's so forced. I doubt he is being his self, that is why I expect him to evolve.

And as for Kitten, surely she saw a side of herself she didnt like in BB5, if not then she's thicker than I thought she was.

At least she hasnt said that thing she kept saying, what was it? something like 'I don't know'

He is Vic the Slick from the DR in BB5.

I'll bet that's exacrtly what he was always like when he's out having a laugh with his friends. I've no doubt he's also a kind and considerate bloke when the situation calls for it and I'm certain that he's a bit of a pillock at times too.

Likewise, Kitten is the self-styled anarchist, the ill-informed freedom fighter, the stroppy teenager and the lost little girl.

I've never bought into the idea that someone can keep up an act twenty-four hours a day for more than a week. Those that have tried have always failed. I don't think there's a thespian living or dead who could handle that without a break.

I think you're right but I don't think it's really her lack of intelligence that lets her down.

It's just a wild stab in the dark but it seems to me that Kitten's problem is self-awareness.

She has far too much of it when she shouldn't and not enough when it might do her a bit of good. By the time she hits thirty she'll have worked it out and look back on the whole BB experience with shame and regret but hopefully equal doses of wisdom and humility.

Well I for one expect more from them than pale shadows of their former BB persona's.
I don't want to see Kitten having a tantrum (i'm assuming she is putting it on) or Vic doing the Slick thing, I want to see them being themselves.

Yes my use of vocabulary lets me down sometimes, I meant self-awareness, and agree with your analysis.

There lies the great forum divide Mr F.

There's them as think it's all an act and them as don't and forevermore will be.

...and with that I'm off to bed. I've got a trip up north to make tomorrow. Christmas screwing up my peaceful existence once again. ...Bloody Jesus.

Have a good one everyone.

Exactly. I would feel cheated if Vic or Kitten came in to the house as quiet people who never said a thing .... its just not them.

Everybody says and does things they regret later or wish they hadn't done in retrospect ...

I am trying just to enjoy this panto for what it is, seasonal fun, and not dwell on the HMs I despise too much (ie Marco)

Too late for me. The unwanted one was totally forgettable until he appeared here slagging us off. Many posters thought he was on a drunken binge, but unfortunately, that was his usual self and he got worse as his ego was stroked even higher by the attention from LGB's fans.

I cannot see myself not wanting to pour ice cold water over that slaphead of his!

I really like Mel but I would have no time for the rest of this ghastly bunch. (Why don't the BB producers ever select intelligent female HMs any more?)

You mean boring females like that lesbian nun? no thanks

I mean intelligent witty women with something between their ears other than air - yes, 'like that lesbian nun', probably the least boring female HM in any series of BB.